Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[ChickenDinner]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

I don't think that's fair yet.

Maybe they do care about the other stuff and more than some would like, but that doesn't guarantee anything about their plans for the team itself. They are facing a damaged situation and going hard on some of this inclusivity/progressive stuff is sort of a no brainer imo.

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

So, if you were promoted to a first time manager and the company you worked for didn't fill the more senior management positions - aka, your boss(es) - would you find it fair to be blamed for everything that goes wrong or would you say you didn't have the right support in place to succeed?

The owner never filled the more senior leadership roles. Dorion is only the "leader" by default, not merit. There's a huge difference there and when we critique and assess his work, there should be a big asterisk there about the absence of guidance, experience and leadership that could help insulate him. It shouldn't be used against him when no one else, in their jobs, would accept the same criticisms in the same situation.

I get where you're coming from with this, but it's not like Dorion went from being an Amateur Scout to GM over night. He held a Director-level position in the organization for 7 years before becoming the AGM. He was then mentored by Murray and was clearly the top choice to eventually take over when Murray retired (only competition was maybe Tim Murray at the time).

He definitely would have benefited from an experienced POHO after he made the switch to GM (probably would have prevented him getting chumped on a few trades), but I think he was given ample opportunity to learn on the job and make mistakes without worrying about being fired. That's pretty much what one would expect if they were in the hypothetical situation you mentioned. Leeway to make mistakes, which has been afforded to Dorion. If a person is 6 years into that position and is still having issues, then I think it's fair to start questioning whether the person is suited for the role. No one is saying it wasn't a trial by fire when he first became GM, I think people are disgruntled about him not growing into the role with experience. He may be leader by default, but it doesn't mean he can't to a better job at leading/inspiring confidence.

 

[OD99]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

Strange perspective at this point.

They need to have fans attend the games and improve the quality of the organization before they can make substantial changes on the roster that will lead to sustained success.

We have a good young core, need to add some higher end talent on the back end and top 6 then can look at what else we should add. I am an early believer in Forsberg in nets - think he is a late bloomer and will be our guy for a while.

 

[Micklebot]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

getting past the borderline offensive characterization of having progressive values, it's a bit quick to judge, they haven't even been owners for a full offseason yet, how do you know they aren't prioritizing winning?

Besides, the two aren't mutually exclusive, you can both be progressive and build a winning team.

 

[Sweatred]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

This ownership group hasn’t even lost a game yet … I think you can hold back the hate a little bit.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

Lol.

We don’t want the owners meddling in hockey affairs, like at all.

Open purse strings, hire a general manager, or president if you want, and let the hockey people do the hockey things.

I don’t know if you’ve been away or something, but that winner that you want is being built right in front of your eyes.

Rainbow flags are also important by the way, and many of the social aspects that a hockey team can engage in, are far more important than an bunch of guys playing hockey.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Just like their father, it seems the Melnyk daughters priorities for the hockey team is everything but the hockey team.

He cared about cutting costs
They care about putting rainbow flags on everything and checking boxes.

Can somebody care about building a winning team? Is that too much to ask for?

When will we finally be winner winners?

Your post history says everything we need to know about how seriously to take this latest offering.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Has Pierre McGuire been interviewed anywhere since being fired? I’d like to hear what he has to say about his time in Ottawa and why he believes he was fired so quickly.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Has Pierre McGuire been interviewed anywhere since being fired? I’d like to hear what he has to say about his time in Ottawa and why he believes he was fired so quickly.

Not in his character. For all his flaws, he’s never been the type to air his dirty laundry in public. Doubt we hear new info anytime soon, if ever.

 

[cudi]

Has Pierre McGuire been interviewed anywhere since being fired? I’d like to hear what he has to say about his time in Ottawa and why he believes he was fired so quickly.

likely signed an NDA

 

[Byron Bitz]

Not in his character. For all his flaws, he’s never been the type to air his dirty laundry in public. Doubt we hear new info anytime soon, if ever.

Ok but I would still like to hear from him. I think it would be worth it for someone like maybe Ian Mendes to interview him and find out what if anything he is willing to say.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ok but I would still like to hear from him. I think it would be worth it for someone like maybe Ian Mendes to interview him and find out what if anything he is willing to say.

I would pay for that, but highly unlikely he ever discusses it. Besides a potential NDA that may have been signed, he's probably feeling a bit sheepish about getting shit canned from probably his last NHL job.

 

[Tuna99]

The daughters should make a public statement of how they want things done. It is odd they took over the team and no one has said anything. they’ve inherited one of the most high profile businesses in Canada with a ruined fanbase and they just stay quiet.

It’s bizarre but maybe their goal is just to stay silent and let Pierre Dorion do all the talking. Which is also not a good alternative plan

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Ok but I would still like to hear from him. I think it would be worth it for someone like maybe Ian Mendes to interview him and find out what if anything he is willing to say.

I think we’d all like to hear what he has to say. Just not sure he has much he wants to say. Can’t exactly compel him to interview if he doesn’t want to.

 

[Knave]

I think we’d all like to hear what he has to say. Just not sure he has much he wants to say. Can’t exactly compel him to interview if he doesn’t want to.

Exactly. Pierre McGuire went from coach to scout to coach to long break in broadcasting to executive in a front office.

He's not going to say a damn thing. He's going to let the shitshow that is Dorion speak volumes for him. He is going to keep his head low, not make waves, not trash Dorion and learn from Dorion's failures. And then when the next team is looking to hire a GM or hire an executive... Pierre McGuire will look relatively good or better than he did before.

It would be nice to get an unfiltered opinion from an insider but it's not happening. You tear down bridges when you trash someone even if they deserve it.

 

[Sweatred]

Pierre Dorion sent Pierre McGuire to Belleville to get rid of him. He was shipped out a long time ago. Putting McGuire in charge of player development was a charade. PM's isn't a developmental instructor.

 

[HSF]

The daughters should make a public statement of how they want things done. It is odd they took over the team and no one has said anything. they’ve inherited one of the most high profile businesses in Canada with a ruined fanbase and they just stay quiet.

It’s bizarre but maybe their goal is just to stay silent and let Pierre Dorion do all the talking. Which is also not a good alternative plan

probably thinking about selling

No reason to make a statement just yet unless they plan on being the majority owner

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

The daughters should make a public statement of how they want things done. It is odd they took over the team and no one has said anything. they’ve inherited one of the most high profile businesses in Canada with a ruined fanbase and they just stay quiet.

It’s bizarre but maybe their goal is just to stay silent and let Pierre Dorion do all the talking. Which is also not a good alternative plan

The owners will not make a statement. They don’t owe you anything. They will be silent, just like all good owners. The organization will make statements.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

The owners will not make a statement. They don’t owe you anything. They will be silent, just like all good owners. The organization will make statements.

You really can't fault the fanbase for a) being accustomed to hearing from the owner, and b) wanting to know which direction the franchise is headed. Nothing to do with being owed anything, but everything to do with rebuilding fan confidence.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The owners will not make a statement. They don’t owe you anything. They will be silent, just like all good owners. The organization will make statements.

It's different cuz they just inherited it from their devil of a dad, but it's not unprecedented for a statement from new NHL owners. All anyone has been told is they are considering their options.

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[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Pierre Dorion sent Pierre McGuire to Belleville to get rid of him. He was shipped out a long time ago. Putting McGuire in charge of player development was a charade. PM's isn't a developmental instructor.

Would be brilliant if somebody did one of those Boulevard of Broken Dreams paintings with McGuire, Del Zotto and Murray in a diner in Belleville.

Maybe throw in Zac Senyshyn for the hardcore fans.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

It's different cuz they just inherited it from their devil of a dad, but it's not unprecedented for a statement from new NHL owners. All anyone has been told is they are considering their options.

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www.nhl.com

Gillett, Molsons agree on Habs sale

www.sportsnet.ca

Official Site of the National Hockey League | NHL.com

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

Alex Meruelo purchase of Coyotes finalized, making him NHL's first Latino majority owner | Sporting News Canada

The son of Cuban immigrants, Meruelo, who got his start in his father's tuxedo business, bought controlling interest from Andrew Barroway.

www.sportingnews.com

You try too hard.

These are all comments in purchasing teams… show me a message from an owner on “how they want things done”

 

[Tuna99]

You really can't fault the fanbase for a) being accustomed to hearing from the owner, and b) wanting to know which direction the franchise is headed. Nothing to do with being owed anything, but everything to do with rebuilding fan confidence.

If they want to run the team and as Leblanc said take it in a new direction, they have values and reasons for wants not to change things. If you have the confidence to run a billion dollar organization, you should have the confidence to talk to your customers.

This attitude of “they don’t owe you anything” is the exact wrong attitude to have to a fanbase that wants positive engagement from its ownership.

If we don’t owe the owners anything and they don’t owe us anything, that’s a race to the bottom like it’s always been

 

[Tuna99]

You try too hard.

These are all comments in purchasing teams… show me a message from an owner on “how they want things done”

Of course you are wrong again. Watch Molsons press conference after he fired Bergevin, it’s one long stamentement on new direction, better sports pholosppshy to create a more positive environment for the fans, players and managers and a statement of the Habs values.

From of course the best run team in the NHL, but of course in your eyes, not good enough for Ottawa