Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Masked]

can you give those of us without a subscription a quick recap with the important stuff from the article?

How about I'll show you a 12ft ladder instead?

Assen na yo!

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Just not exaggerating it.

No, you've actively downplayed it and outright said you thought it was nothing to be concerned about.

Lets be clear. The only position to get away with this is the one that is not subject to repercussions because of the power they hold. Only an owner would ever get away with this, every single other employee in any position would be terminated immediately, escorted out, and face legal action.

Yikes.

All of these things are true, just not in the, "It's all good, he is a boss and a little eccentric. Nothing to see here." way that you seem to want to portray it.

There is also clearly much more to it - many more I would expect if these are the major ones to get reported.

Trying to always be the arbiter of truth & justice here yet fiercely defending this stuff doesn't add up. It's repugnant behaviour, hard to believe anyone would want to associate their names to downplay it. You can tell yourself you are just not exaggerating it but it doesn't come off that way.

They said exactly that. 10,000+ page report could be put out easily.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Yikes.

All of these things are true, just not in the, "It's all good, he is a boss and a little eccentric. Nothing to see here." way that you seem to want to portray it.

There is also clearly much more to it - many more I would expect if these are the major ones to get reported.

Trying to always be the arbiter of truth & justice here yet fiercely defending this stuff doesn't add up. It's repugnant behaviour, hard to believe anyone would want to associate their names to downplay it. You can tell yourself you are just not exaggerating it but it doesn't come off that way.

It is really amazing how you can make up all of those opinions from those 4 sentences. You have a talent.

 

[OD99]

It is really amazing how you can make up all of those opinions from those 4 sentences. You have a talent.

You have a long and colourful history that I was able to draw on, it wasn't just that post.

If you didn't know, you have a well earned reputation here.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It is really amazing how you can make up all of those opinions from those 4 sentences. You have a talent.

You've said plenty on the subject previously that has made your position clear and you've put out plenty of misinformation or made up stories instantly proven wrong yourself.

He called a woman a C word!
He got enraged and stopped some pride social media that was Senators related!
He got drunk and embarrassed himself and others.

He was a bad boss!

He levied misogynistic verbal abuse at a female employee he held power over with terms of a "f***ing C***" and a "dumb bitch" and maybe more importantly threatened to terminate her employment as he did many others, to which he held the power over their livelihood. Clear misunderstanding of the real issue there by you and women should be offended by that complete downplaying of the real issue at hand. Women have faced these power dynamics and abuse in the workplace long enough, it's time we stand with them, not against them like your comment implies.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Any deviation into toxic or trolling discussions will result in thread bans.

I think it may be time to look in the mirror.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I think it may be time to look in the mirror.

I am not sure why everything turns personal when there is a difference of opinion.

That is toxic behaviour.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I am not sure why everything turns personal when there is a difference of opinion.

That is toxic behaviour.

It's 2022 and you're describing the situation as "He called a woman a C word!" or was just a "bad boss", among your previous downplaying portrayals of it.

It was a women in the workplace being verbally abused by her misogynistic boss on numerous occasions while having her employment threatened and being too scared to report it.

That's abuse and an abuse of power. That's not something people are allowed an "opinion" on anymore and your comments on the subject appear as support of an abuser who thought it was okay to hang someone's job over their head after abusing them. If you don't want to be called out for your "opinions", don't put the shit on the airwaves.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

It's 2022 and you're describing the situation as "He called a woman a C word!" or was just a "bad boss", among your previous downplaying portrayals of it.

It was a women in the workplace being verbally abused by her misogynistic boss on numerous occasions while having her employment threatened and being too scared to report it.

That's abuse and an abuse of power. That's not something people are allowed an "opinion" on anymore and your comments on the subject appear as support of an abuser who thought it was okay to hang someone's job over their head after abusing them. If you don't want to be called out for your "opinions", don't put the shit on the airwaves.

What are you taking about? When did I say it was okay?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

What are you taking about? When did I say it was okay?

Here are some of your past comments.

"I think the reason is obvious. It couldn't be as bad as some want to make it out to be. Imagine you own a company… how mad you would be after repeated discussions, one of your staff ignored your instructions? You would want to use some colourful language, but if you have years of training..."

"Old grudges, for sure."

 

[Micklebot]

Just not exaggerating it.

Are you suggesting the writers of the article exaggerated what happened? Because you are definately minimizing what the article reported.

While some might be exaggerating the events, I'm not convinced two wrongs make a right,

 

[Cosmix]

Or, nothing really happened and the Pierre’s were like peas in a pod… until PM got fired.

Not very likely, based on Dorion's comments when Maguire was hired. Someday we may learn more about this escapade.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Are you suggesting the writers of the article exaggerated what happened? Because you are definately minimizing what the article reported.

While some might be exaggerating the events, I'm not convinced two wrongs make a right,

Totally wrong. Wasn't talking about the writer(s)

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

It's 2022 and you're describing the situation as "He called a woman a C word!" or was just a "bad boss", among your previous downplaying portrayals of it.

It was a women in the workplace being verbally abused by her misogynistic boss on numerous occasions while having her employment threatened and being too scared to report it.

That's abuse and an abuse of power. That's not something people are allowed an "opinion" on anymore and your comments on the subject appear as support of an abuser who thought it was okay to hang someone's job over their head after abusing them. If you don't want to be called out for your "opinions", don't put the shit on the airwaves.

What are you taking about? When did I say it was okay?

Here are some of your past comments.

"I think the reason is obvious. It couldn't be as bad as some want to make it out to be. Imagine you own a company… how mad you would be after repeated discussions, one of your staff ignored your instructions? You would want to use some colourful language, but if you have years of training..."

"Old grudges, for sure."

Still stand behind that statement, but again I am not saying he did the right thing or I stand behind his actions.

 

[inthewings]

It's tough watching someone defend themselves from all angles without actually considering the possibility that they might just be wrong.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

What are you taking about? When did I say it was okay?



Still stand behind that statement, but again I am not saying he did the right thing or I stand behind his actions.

"I think the reason is obvious. It couldn't be as bad as some want to make it out to be. Imagine you own a company… how mad you would be after repeated discussions, one of your staff ignored your instructions? You would want to use some colourful language, but if you have years of training..."

By standing by that statement, you are standing behind them. You haven't even sat on the fence on the issue and feel the need to make sly comments about it, so why don't you just own that and not wade in and then act so testy when called on it?

"It couldn't be as bad as some want to make it out to be." It is, the proof is right there in the article and was sourced out enough to be put in print. Are you saying they lied?

"how mad you would be" Doesn't matter. You can be madder than any human ever has been on the planet and it doesn't excuse it, at least not this particular issue.

People have bad jobs, sure, but it never excuses someone facing verbal, physical or sexual abuse in the workplace and that's not a reasonable comparable to this. That particular part of the story was Melnyk's Harold Ballard moment and the only thing missing is the video tape.

 

[Micklebot]

Totally wrong. Wasn't talking about the writer(s)

Then you are indeed minimizing the actions since what you wrote does't accurately reflect the seriousness or scope of what the writers detailed. You minimizing is no better than others exaggerating. Be better if your going to criticize others for exaggerating is all I'm saying.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Then you are indeed minimizing the actions since what you wrote does't accurately reflect the seriousness or scope of what the writers detailed. You minimizing is no better than others exaggerating. Be better if your going to criticize others for exaggerating is all I'm saying.

Sure. It goes both ways. You cannot exaggerate or make up how shit went down.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

"I think the reason is obvious. It couldn't be as bad as some want to make it out to be. Imagine you own a company… how mad you would be after repeated discussions, one of your staff ignored your instructions? You would want to use some colourful language, but if you have years of training..."

By standing by that statement, you are standing behind them. You haven't even sat on the fence on the issue and feel the need to make sly comments about it, so why don't you just own that and not wade in and then act so testy when called on it?

"It couldn't be as bad as some want to make it out to be." It is, the proof is right there in the article and was sourced out enough to be put in print. Are you saying they lied?

"how mad you would be" Doesn't matter. You can be madder than any human ever has been on the planet and it doesn't excuse it, at least not this particular issue.

People have bad jobs, sure, but it never excuses someone facing verbal, physical or sexual abuse in the workplace and that's not a reasonable comparable to this. That particular part of the story was Melnyk's Harold Ballard moment and the only thing missing is the video tape.

Sorry. I disagree. You are reading it wrong.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Sorry. I disagree. You are reading it wrong.

It's literally there in print. You're just wrong on this one.

If you don't feel that way, your words don't match with reality.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

It's literally there in print. You're just wrong on this one.

If you don't feel that way, your words don't match with reality.

Sounds good. Thank you for informing me of my feelings.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Sounds good. Thank you for informing me of my feelings.

Don't say things that directly contradict the true feelings you claim to have and I wouldn't care to.

 

[JD1]

The man is dead. He was an ass. Time to move on fellas

 

[cudi]

didnt know what thread to throw this in

 

[OD99]

didnt know what thread to throw this in

I love this. It is great that they seem to want to help move the team into 2022 and I would expect they aren't alone. Would have to imagine many of the staff have had great ideas over the years but couldn't have them executed so this must be liberating and empowering for plenty of employees.

What a story this could be! Young ladies take over a pro franchise that was mired in troubling times and helps rejuvenate the fans and franchise by thoughtful measures to reconnect. Could be like the 'Hawks except the kids taking over aren't old school hockey guys.

Really rooting for them.