Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[h2owned]

I'm perfectly fine going to arbitration and signing him and moving him next season at the TDL.

He will return a 1st plus one high end young player that's unlikely to dress in a playoff run

Problem is will need to pay to move out Joseph and maybe need to trade Brannstrom or Forsberg to make the cap work.

 

[Cosmix]

Trotz is doing his thing with Nashville. I hope Andlauer does soemthing similar when he takes control of the Senators.

See: LeBrun: Why the Predators bet big on character and other early takeaways from NHL free agency

 

[Cosmix]

This is fair but he also used up almost every single asset to get us to make the playoffs and failed.

When people complain about Dorion it isn't that he hasn't done any good; it is his penchant for going for the big move when most of them seriously backfired. I liked most of them when they happened but eventually the track record becomes established and impossible to ignore.

I wanted him gone at the Zibby trade.

 

[Cosmix]

He should have been gone at the draft or at the very latest before free agency. Opportunities to move him have dried up by now.

Good chance the team is stuck with him this year. Can an arbitration contract player still be traded? If not might be best to sign him before arb to a 1 year then trade him as a rental, possibly with retention if the value is there. This season is a writeoff if they have to keep him. Zero depth.

Need to get new hockey ops like yesterday.

Some posters have felt that way for years!

seems like we would probably get a better return at the TDL.

but what happens if we are in the race and it's either trade DBC for much needed assets or keep him to try and make the playoffs, but lose him for nothing.

and how does Dorion keep putting himself in situations like this lol.

Incompetence!

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Very Stable Genius]

lol "found Zub". He was in the KHL and multiple teams were interested in him.

 

[swiftwin]

Even if Duclair was asking for too much money or preferred to play elsewhere, we had his RFA rights and could have just taken him to arbitration and kept him for the next year, even if a longer-term contract was unable to be worked out right away.

Letting him go for nothing was incredibly stupid and it's honestly unbelievable even the biggest Dorion bootlickers try to defend it.

Dude let a cheap 30-30 threat leave, just to trade a top 10 pick for scoring help in DeBrincat a couple years later to put up slightly better numbers. It's indefensible.

WELL WELL WELL.....



Duclair ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick and an AHLer/4th liner, despite being on a smaller contract than the one that was speculated he'd get in arbitration.

Looks like Dorion has been proven right, and you're been proven wrong once again..... It was your suggestion that was incredibly stupid after all.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

WELL WELL WELL.....



Duclair ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick and an AHLer/4th liner, despite being on a smaller contract than the one that was speculated he'd get in arbitration.

Looks like Dorion has been proven right, and you're been proven wrong once again..... It was your suggestion that was incredibly stupid after all.

lorentz is way better than you think.

very solid bottom 6er at his physical prime who has size (6ft 4), skill, and skating ability. exactly the kind of cheap depth top heavy teams should be adding. teams like us, and no surprise a team like Florida jumps on him.



but ofc you think he's no value ahl.

 

[swiftwin]

lorentz is way better than you think.

very solid bottom 6er who has size (6ft 4), skill, and skating ability. exactly the kind of cheap depth top heavy teams needing depth should be adding. teams like us, and no surprise a team like Florida jumps on him.



but ofc you think he's no value ahl.

He's got the same number of career NHL points as Dylan Gambrell, and is a year older.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

He's got the same number of career NHL points as Dylan Gambrell, and is a year older.

now makes even more sense. since you would compare him to someone like gambrell, the most vanilla player ever.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

lol "found Zub". He was in the KHL and multiple teams were interested in him.

And he played in the Olympics haha

 

[bert]

WELL WELL WELL.....



Duclair ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick and an AHLer/4th liner, despite being on a smaller contract than the one that was speculated he'd get in arbitration.

Looks like Dorion has been proven right, and you're been proven wrong once again..... It was your suggestion that was incredibly stupid after all.

I cant believe you think this is a win haha.

They moved him because he is a UFA to be and they are making room to go after someone this year with term.

He had 43 goals and 89 points in 137 games man. Like you dont want that on your team?... The sens got nothing for him, florida actually got something back. They probably make the playoffs last year if they had him. They had no depth scoring.

Cant hate on this one, its Dorions best intentional move he has ever made that he didnt fall into or magoo his way to a win. Gotta give credit where credits actually due. They are few and far between but this was a great signing for a great player who is now on a great contract.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

And he played in the Olympics haha

Ottawa worked the hardest to sign him, and put the most stock into getting him signed. Why? Because they knew his potential better than most going after him.

As Darren Dreger reported on Thursday’s edition of Insider Trading that Artyom Zub has made his choice.

“The expectation is that Zub, who’s got the potential to be a top-four shutdown D-man in the NHL, will sign with the Ottawa Senators,“ Dreger said Thursday.

Dreger reported earlier this week that the Senators were one of two finalists for the services of the KHL defenseman, with Ottawa being a “top choice."

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Zub is awesome. Gotta give credit where it's due.

 

[Cosmix]

lol "found Zub". He was in the KHL and multiple teams were interested in him.

Now I want to hear their spin on how they found Murray and Talbot, amongst others.

 

[Hale The Villain]

WELL WELL WELL.....



Duclair ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick and an AHLer/4th liner, despite being on a smaller contract than the one that was speculated he'd get in arbitration.

Looks like Dorion has been proven right, and you're been proven wrong once again..... It was your suggestion that was incredibly stupid after all.

This is just getting sad.

Baghdad Bob over here wants to take a victory lap and this is the best he could come up with

 

[Dionysus]

Wonder if the Sens hockey ops even has a cap expert. Went from a team that didn't need to worry about the cap because they were at the floor, to screwing themselves in 1 off-season.

Doesn't appear to have been any coherent plan for that transition. A bunch of dead money, and a self-inflicted problem with the Debrincat situation.

Unable to sign any solid wingers that are sorely needed. Will end up trading DBC for depth pieces. So basically the 7th overall for guys that could have been found in free agency if some foresight had been applied.

Now they are relying on guys like Smejkal and Sokolov to be full-time NHL players. No depth last year, and possibly even less this season, especially up front. Any injuries, which will happen, and AHL players will be filling out the NHL roster again.

Really feels like Dorion has boxed himself into a corner, and with the new boss watching how this off-season unfolds closely.

If this team is going to make the playoffs, it relies on Stutzle and Sanderson taking another massive step and becoming top 5-10 players at their positions. I think that could happen, but give them some insulation.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Zub is awesome. Gotta give credit where it's due.

Love the repeatable process .. I like Zub glad he is here no matter how.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Any injuries, which will happen, and AHL players will be filling out the NHL roster again.

That’s what happens with all 32 NHL teams when they have an injury, it’s either forward 13, or seventh D, or AHL player.
how did you think it worked.?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Trotz is doing his thing with Nashville. I hope Andlauer does soemthing similar when he takes control of the Senators.

See: LeBrun: Why the Predators bet big on character and other early takeaways from NHL free agency

So you see Andlauer being a hands on, looking over the shoulder of the GM, meddling type of owner?

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

WELL WELL WELL.....



Duclair ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick and an AHLer/4th liner, despite being on a smaller contract than the one that was speculated he'd get in arbitration.

Looks like Dorion has been proven right, and you're been proven wrong once again..... It was your suggestion that was incredibly stupid after all.

So you're saying Duclair had at least some positive value?

Duclair signed for 3M after 72 points in 109 games.

We decided to willingly use that same money on a guy with 49 points in 125 games. I guess you prefer players that require good assets attached to them just for another team to take them.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

WELL WELL WELL.....



Duclair ended up getting traded for a 5th round pick and an AHLer/4th liner, despite being on a smaller contract than the one that was speculated he'd get in arbitration.

Looks like Dorion has been proven right, and you're been proven wrong once again..... It was your suggestion that was incredibly stupid after all.

 

[Cosmix]

So you see Andlauer being a hands on, looking over the shoulder of the GM, meddling type of owner?

No. I see him as having an objective and vision for the team and hiring a competent GM who shares his vision and approach

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

No. I see him as having an objective and vision for the team and hiring a competent GM who shares his vision and approach

We have an awesome GM that has lots of support.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Trotz is doing his thing with Nashville. I hope Andlauer does soemthing similar when he takes control of the Senators.

See: LeBrun: Why the Predators bet big on character and other early takeaways from NHL free agency

Uhmm, looks like Trotz is taking a page out of the Sens book and going big on character….