Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)
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I'm just imagining comments like this being made when Mike Milbury was GM or Doug MacLean.
It's only with Dorion some of you are willing to make excuses. There's always next year (someone should put this on loop because it's been 'next year' for the past several years with you people).
Rebuild, turns out it’s a process Over more than one season. Who knew?
Could be because most people don’t see Dorion’s moves as similar to Mad Mike.
Zibanejad wanted NYC wtf lmao
Gus for Talbot certainly not an RBI. Maybe an RBI if you ran and then like shredded your ACL on the way to first.
Same with stepan
Yes. We have the 3rd longest active playoff drought. Did you want to count on your fingers how many seasons that is? You'll need two hands.
Yeah but we’re in a long drought.
Dorion talks about how he signed maybe not the best hockey players but ones that would help the young guys….. I mean maybe if he went after better ones we would have made the playoffs?
Golden_Jet
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I mean long really is subjective. There are other teams that have had much longer droughts than the Sens have ever had. As for the players brought in, I don’t disagree In principal.
I think the point was to mature the core and make it so that they were the ones driving our rise in the standings. Which they are undeniably doing.
The choice of rebuilding this way is debatable given that there are other ways. We do know that EM wanted the cheapest payroll for his FYOUS plan so that may have factored in in terms of why we had to find the highest character guys from the cheapest group, or trade for guys to come here. The moves look a lot different now that EM is gone.
The other thing to consider is that better players means worse draft picks, so you often have to choose between high draft picks and trying to make the playoffs. There is also the high chance that we neither get high picks nor make the playoffs, and don’t have the rebuilding young core excuse either. That would be the worst in my opinion. I don’t mind choosing scorched earth.
Either way, the kids are now carrying the load now, so we’ll see if the rebuild was effective in terms of playoffs as soon as next season.
I'm not excusing every move Dorion has made but I'd love to see where I said that. It's amazing how no matter what gets said, some of you use that quote to prove to yourself that it's some Dorion-loving shill talking out of his ass.
I'm offering a comparison of Dorion and Dubas - two GMs in vastly different situations. One worked under the most meddlesome and cheap owner in modern NHL history and the other one works for the richest hockey team in the world and has a virtually limitless budget.
But I guess when you're someone who's default bias is totally anti-Dorion, no matter what, then there's no context to be provided. Whereas, some of us who want to have actual discussions about why we are where we are don't have that default setting activated.
If these types of posts trigger you so much, maybe you can save yourself all the rage and anger by using the Ignore function. I'm happy to provide you a screenshot by screenshot tutorial, if you'd like.
LMAO.
It has been 7 years since the start of this rebuild. Where are we again?
I am pro-success. Why are you anti-success?
Yes, every year that passes the boogieman years go up by two.
I don’t imagine that common sense and understanding context is all of a sudden going to arrive here along with new owners, coaches, and management.
I do apologize because until recently I was always under the impression Talbot was signed as a FA when in fact he obtained in a trade.
That being said in typical fashion majority will say it was a bad move only because the player Sens sent to Minnesota for Talbot is playing exceptionally well for them. For goalies a change of scenery more so then any other position can positively impact their level of play. I am of the belief Dorion wanted a experienced & dependable starter who would as some suggested assume part of the leadership role on the team. Showing a young team what is required to win and how to win is often more important in the long run then making the playoffs with very little experience. Talbot on paper was not a bad or wrong choice just as no one expected such inconsistency from him. There is no guarantee Gus would play at the level he is playing right now had he remained with the Sens. The year he was traded Gus had awful numbers after having very good ones the prior, had the drop off not been as significant maybe he would still be with the Sens but with the D being so young steady goal-tending is necessary and with reason expected from Talbot. No one would also really care had the freak injury happen to Anton as I do believe he would have steadied the situation.
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I get the reasoning but you end up with Cam Talbot, a kinda journeyman starter who’s made the playoffs maybe 3-4 time in his career and who’s Minny GM is telling to STFU in the media. Talbot doesn’t scream leader to me. It’s the evaluation that is terrible - and the evaluation of Gus not being able to help.
I mean it’s one thing to think Talbot is the guy to do this for you, that’s bad enough, it’s also another terrible evaluation to think Gus has no value.
Tells me pretty much everything I need to know about having a "conversation" with you. Let me know if you need help with that Ignore function.
Big Muddy
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??? That's the first time I head that Zibanejad wanted to go the NYC & the Rangers. Never heard that before.
Even if PD thinks Talbot is the answer, sure, but upgrade the D. Thinking out D in October is good enough to support any goalie who's not Shesterkin is poor evaluation
Agent Zuuuub
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Frustrating wachting these playoffs knowing we have Dorion as the manager.
We have to get out of Dorions country club/no expectations environment fast, lest we become the failed version of the Oilers.
Who btw started getting heat 4-5 years into their rebuild while we are entering year 7 with no meaningful games.
We have to get out of Dorions country club/no expectations environment fast, lest we become the failed version of the Oilers.
Who btw started getting heat 4-5 years into their rebuild while we are entering year 7 with no meaningful games.
Golden_Jet
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Not comparable are they, Oilers had what 4 first overalls;
Oilers were in conference finals last year and have best 2 players in the league.
Agent Zuuuub
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we had Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, Pageau, Hoffman, etc in their primes to sell off. and we have picked high for 6 years.
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