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AllDay28 said:
i said this to my buddy. Everyone crying now wanted simmonds/thorton/plug types and he gets them and then they cry about it.
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No one in their right mind “wanted” the above, what your eluding to is the fanbase’s desire to have a couple of power forwards that weren’t pass their best before due date. Josh Anderson for example, but boy wonder spent all his magic beans on flashy pretenders leaving no beans to improve the team.
 
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Can't wait to hear what bs Shanny and Dubas are going to come up with after this embarrassing loss to the lousy Habs. How many kicks at the can do these two clowns and our pathetic core need ??
 
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ToneDog said:
Can't wait to hear what bs Shanny and Dubas are going to come up with after this embarrassing loss to the lousy Habs. How many kicks at the can do these two clowns and our pathetic core need ??
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We accept responsibility. We dind't give our coach what he needed. It's on us.
 
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Great questions for Shanahan/Dubas from the Board would be:

  • How much are we spending on proprietary "analytics" and your "analytics" team?
  • What did the "analytics" say about why the team only outscored Montreal in 1 out of 11 periods in the last 3 games of the series?
  • Why couldn't the "analytics" (stats or people) come up with a way to close out the series?
  • If analytics are the future, are you the right person to run an "analytics" movement?
  • WTF are we spending our money on Kyle??
 
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Keefe just looked like a Minor Hockey Coach continually throwing his boys over the boards as the rest of the team watch them play scared , turn pucks over and not compete . Keefe is not an NHL Coach - Sorry .
 
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forecheck said:
Keefe just looked like a Minor Hockey Coach continually throwing his boys over the boards as the rest of the team watch them play scared , turn pucks over and not compete . Keefe is not an NHL Coach - Sorry .
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Pretty much.

Guy looks completely overwhelmed / lacking confidence and it definitely trickles down to the team.

And I guess it needs re-stating but Toronto is simply not an entry-level, learn-on-the-fly place for a rookie coach and GM to start.

It just isn't and we as fans continue to pay the price for it.
 
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Pookie said:
Great questions for Shanahan/Dubas from the Board would be:

  • How much are we spending on proprietary "analytics" and your "analytics" team?
  • What did the "analytics" say about why the team only outscored Montreal in 1 out of 11 periods in the last 3 games of the series?
  • Why couldn't the "analytics" (stats or people) come up with a way to close out the series?
  • If analytics are the future, are you the right person to run an "analytics" movement?
  • WTF are we spending our money on Kyle??
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If Analytics are the future, will our next coach be a data analyst. If so will what I learned in Udemy qualify me?
Why even need a GM, just get an AI application that deals with all of these
 
ToneDog said:
Complete coaching staff needs to be replaced whether Shanny/Dubas are kept or both fired. Boudreau or Gallant are available.
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I would love to get Gallant, I'm surprised he's even available.

Keefe has to go. How can you let the power play be that bad for as long as it has? Totally inexcusable. There's no way he can keep his job right? We lost the last two years to the worst teams in the playoffs, unacceptable.
 
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dragonballgtz said:
I think Dubas deserves some heat here. There is nothing wrong trying to support your young core with grizzly veterans, but the ones he signed never won anything. Thornton's whole career is nothing but playoff disappointment. Spezza looked better he only ever had one decent run in the playoffs.

Campbell being the answer for Andersen was kind of an iffy call as well. A 28yo goalie with 0 playoff experience, heck limited regular season experience, expected to goaltend for a team who was suppose to make a deep run. Campbell would of been fine if he was growing with the team a few years ago but it was clearly to much pressure for him right now. You could hear it in his voice in the post game interview and see it during his play in game 7.

Another thing is Dubas contract negotiation skills for his young guns, he failed on those negotiations.
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Campbell had a .930+ Save % and a 1.81 GAA. He isn’t to blame.

This is on the heads of Narmervsnd Matthews.
 
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Keefe was shockingly bad this series. If they fire him I won't lose any sleep, but if he gets another chance I'm alright with that too.

He insistence on Thornton alone is a fireable offense, wasting game 1 on Nash, splitting Kerfoot line and bringing Foligno in cold. Benching Dermott in favour of Sandin.

The mentality all around was terrible and screamed underestimating the opponent. You look at these decisions and I see a team who isn't serious about winning.
 
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Funk21 said:
Campbell had a .930+ Save % and a 1.81 GAA. He isn’t to blame.

This is on the heads of Narmervsnd Matthews.
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That first goal last night was worse than an Andy gave up knowing that the team with the first goal last night was likely going to win. He was overall good but he gave up too many softies. The team with the better goalie won the series.
 
My only criticism of Dubas was deferring away from the plan and going after 'grit'. The deadline especially, I was vocal about the Foligno acquisition and not getting Hall. We knew Montreal would try and play a coinflip game, and adding more elite skill (which you can never have too much of) was the move. I'm not against grit, but they should be able to be effective. In Game 2, Simmonds had a great response game and was being physical - Game 3-7? Nowhere.

Keefe.... there's definitely a lot.
- No balls to scratch Thornton
- Thornton on PP for way too long
- PP in general (+Malholtra)
- Keeping Marner and Matthews together
I'm sure there's much more.
 
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ToneDog said:
Can't wait to hear what bs Shanny and Dubas are going to come up with after this embarrassing loss to the lousy Habs. How many kicks at the can do these two clowns and our pathetic core need ??
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Oddly enough, i think this may finally be a bit different, they feel the vibe of leaf fans everywhere right now, we are upset, irate, heartbroken, angry, they cannot just gove us the ol "we believe in this core" song and dance.

We deserve more. At least an admission of we expected much more from our core and our team, some blame needs to come down on our players for not living up to the hype and division champ title.

This loss hurts more for me than Boston, we were up 3-1 in the series against the worst team and LOST.
 
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SeenSchenn2 said:
My only criticism of Dubas was deferring away from the plan and going after 'grit'. The deadline especially, I was vocal about the Foligno acquisition and not getting Hall. We knew Montreal would try and play a coinflip game, and adding more elite skill (which you can never have too much of) was the move. I'm not against grit, but they should be able to be effective. In Game 2, Simmonds had a great response game and was being physical - Game 3-7? Nowhere.

Keefe.... there's definitely a lot.
- No balls to scratch Thornton
- Thornton on PP for way too long
- PP in general (+Malholtra)
- Keeping Marner and Matthews together
I'm sure there's much more.
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I think you are missing the mark on Dubas here.

He tinkered with grit and leadership in the bottom six because the "plan" didn't pan out. Going back is just another path to futility.

Core + bottom 6 skill = failure
Core + bottom 6 grit = failure

Seems that the common factor in all of that is the Core.

That's what Dubas needs to fix. And he may be too vested in them to even consider it.
 
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SeenSchenn2 said:
My only criticism of Dubas was deferring away from the plan and going after 'grit'. The deadline especially, I was vocal about the Foligno acquisition and not getting Hall. We knew Montreal would try and play a coinflip game, and adding more elite skill (which you can never have too much of) was the move. I'm not against grit, but they should be able to be effective. In Game 2, Simmonds had a great response game and was being physical - Game 3-7? Nowhere.
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Yeah I agree, it's like Dubas/management catered too much to the media and critics. Foligno price was god awful at the time and looks worse now.

Leafs were running away with the division and had easiest path (on paper) to final four. I find it very hard to believe Hall wouldn't have waived to come here and play with Matthews or Tavares. The leafs just went in another direction is all and it was a massive blunder. You can never have enough goal threats come playoff time.
 
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