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Spargon
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Keefe has coached the team to one of best records in his first 100 games in team history, this is his first "real" playoff series coached, saying "still" implies this has been a long run of futility on his part.
Not sure what perfect coach you are expecting but some people are never happy.
Menzinger
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Looks like Keefe was doing the out-coaching this game.
Back under the ol' rock for another couple days it looks like.
Mitchy
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Pretty sad, isn't it? Can't even enjoy the team winning. Yikes
Sigh... read better or ask questions instead of jumping to conclusions.
I didn't say trade I said sign.. that is your first clue. Leafs traded Verhaeghe.... but this past offseason Tampa didn't qualify him as a RFA so he became a UFA. So Toronto had a chance to "sign" him. Dave Morrison (who drafted Verhaeghe) recommended Dubas sign him. Dubas wanted 700000 but Verhaeghe wanted 1000000, Dubas opted not to sign him.
.... eagerly waiting your response..guessing I won't hear back though @acrobaticgoalie
Yea... but looks like people didn't know he was also an available ufa this past offseason.
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As much as Keefes moves blew up in his face last night they worked tonight. Double shifting Matty on the PP, bringing Engvall / Galchenyuk back and Sandin on the PP all paid off.
I like keefe, like his no nonsense approach to things, is very blunt in his postgames, seems to speak the truth and not dodge questions, I have a lot of respect for him, seems like a good genuine guy.
seventieslord
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Little late to be saying this now, since it's moot, but I bet if you isolate it to cases where the favoured team goes down 2-0 (not weak favourites, just 1v4 or 1v8 or 2v7 matchups), I suspect their historical comeback rates are a lot better than 13%.
Not as high as 50%, mind you...
acrobaticgoalie
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I have 0 problem admitting if I made a mistake but it doesn't change the fact that you're still using hindsight to make a judgment. Verhaeghe had 13 pts in 52 NHL games last year. If I have the choice in signing him at 1M after that or Simmonds at 1.5, I take Simmonds every time. Even though Simmonds is over the hill, he still has some ability to put the puck in the net, has experience, brings intangibles and most guys aren't willing to fight him. Nobody knew Verhaeghe was gonna put up the numbers he did this year.
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Seems Keefe subscribes to the same coaching methods of Cito Gaston. When a player, especially a young one, has a hard time and makes a suboptimal play, instead of benching them, they are immediately given a chance to show they can do better.
I've seen it several times this year where a line gets scored on and they're either left on the ice to make amends or come out for a shift shortly afterwards.
The way he handled Sandin is similar, many of us wanted Dermott to start in his place, mostly because of the winning goal in game 1, luckily Sheldon and those in Leaf management don't listen to us emotional fans, Sandin played well tonight and his PP goal was beauty!
I've seen it several times this year where a line gets scored on and they're either left on the ice to make amends or come out for a shift shortly afterwards.
The way he handled Sandin is similar, many of us wanted Dermott to start in his place, mostly because of the winning goal in game 1, luckily Sheldon and those in Leaf management don't listen to us emotional fans, Sandin played well tonight and his PP goal was beauty!
So you made a mistake? Hard to tell by this response?
Nobody said Dubas traded Verhaeghe..."0 problems" but its interesting you added a bunch of smoke (distraction) to you being uninformed.
His pro scout recommended Verhaeghe and he backed our because early 300000. Dubas made a mistake.
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Stonehands1990
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That’s the whole point of talent evaluation though. Finding the guys that others have missed. Patrick Sharp was a 4th liner in Philly. Whoever finds the best talent has the best team
acrobaticgoalie
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When I responded to your first post, when you mentioned Verhaeghe, I automatically assumed you were referring to the trade from 6 yrs ago. This is the first time I've seen someone mention this bit about Verhaeghe in free agency in any thread. I just Googled it and im assuming you're referring to the Sun article? Yes, I made a mistake and jumped to a conclusion.
As for the rest of my last response. My point is that if this was the case in Free Agency about Verhaeghe, that maybe Dubas and the rest of management decided to use the money/roster spot on a veteran player (like Thornton, Simmonds) who would check off boxes of needs that we were looking for after last year'sloss in the playoffs. We had no shortage of young talent. We were looking for more experience, size, physicality, and leadership. We then signed Thronton, Simmonds, Bogosian
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So this person starts a thread ripping our GM/Coach after game 1 and now is nowhere to be found after two wins?
Sad that some of our own fans want to see us lose so they can tell us how right all along they were.
Sad that some of our own fans want to see us lose so they can tell us how right all along they were.
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Not all of us have the luxury of spending our free time on a long-weekend inside on a computer to talk hockey.
That's what a 9-5 job is for.
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In OP's defense, as fans we are supposed to be critical of the organization. Yes, we all love the team (at least I think) and go nuts when the Leafs win, but it's important for us to keep the front office and the players honest with trenchant criticism. Constructively criticizing the coaches and management doesn't make you any less of a fan, particularly if it's done under the assumption that you want to see the team succeed and play to the best of its ability.
That being said, I have no complaints about our GM at this time and my only complaint with the coaching staff is regarding the powerplay. The penalty kill has been absolutely phenomenal, and that deserves all the praise we can give it, but Boston showed us 2 years ago what a difference maker an elite PP is in the playoffs. Even with Tavares out, the Leafs have all the firepower to have a top PP but have no results to show for it.
I just don't understand what is so different about the Leafs' usage of the 1-3-1 compared to other teams with more success but lesser offensive talent. It seems like the Leafs over-rely on Matthews' one-timer and every time he, Marner, or Rielly/Sandin receive a pass they do so faking the one-timer until Matthews can actually get a shot off. Other teams are smart enough to know that Matthews is the only trigger man on the PP and that if they keep the puck on Thornton's stick then there isn't a real threat. Since PP2 barely gets any ice time anyway, I'd like to see Spezza replace Joe as the bumper. Spezza still has one of the best shots on the team and his hands are still great along with his passing and vision. He also has the size needed to absorb a few cross checks and to take away Price's eyes when moving in for the screen.
Hyman could also move to the bumper role and Willie could take his place as the net front guy. Willie has incredible hand eye, a shot that has to be respected, and his vision is just as good as any of the other elite forwards on this team. The knock on Willie has always been in his reluctance to go to the net, but if he were to earn ice time as the net front guy on the PP then I think that would change. He doesn't need to be Tomas Vanek - he just needs to give our team an element they currently don't have on the PP and to provide the Leafs another option besides just always passing it to #34.
And that is all. Thank you for your time and Go Leafs Go.
That being said, I have no complaints about our GM at this time and my only complaint with the coaching staff is regarding the powerplay. The penalty kill has been absolutely phenomenal, and that deserves all the praise we can give it, but Boston showed us 2 years ago what a difference maker an elite PP is in the playoffs. Even with Tavares out, the Leafs have all the firepower to have a top PP but have no results to show for it.
I just don't understand what is so different about the Leafs' usage of the 1-3-1 compared to other teams with more success but lesser offensive talent. It seems like the Leafs over-rely on Matthews' one-timer and every time he, Marner, or Rielly/Sandin receive a pass they do so faking the one-timer until Matthews can actually get a shot off. Other teams are smart enough to know that Matthews is the only trigger man on the PP and that if they keep the puck on Thornton's stick then there isn't a real threat. Since PP2 barely gets any ice time anyway, I'd like to see Spezza replace Joe as the bumper. Spezza still has one of the best shots on the team and his hands are still great along with his passing and vision. He also has the size needed to absorb a few cross checks and to take away Price's eyes when moving in for the screen.
Hyman could also move to the bumper role and Willie could take his place as the net front guy. Willie has incredible hand eye, a shot that has to be respected, and his vision is just as good as any of the other elite forwards on this team. The knock on Willie has always been in his reluctance to go to the net, but if he were to earn ice time as the net front guy on the PP then I think that would change. He doesn't need to be Tomas Vanek - he just needs to give our team an element they currently don't have on the PP and to provide the Leafs another option besides just always passing it to #34.
And that is all. Thank you for your time and Go Leafs Go.
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