GM Chuck Fletcher

[Lindberg]

Finally watched it instead of relying on what you guys said here. Referenced Tampa Bay specifically as a model team.

I'm confused. What is wrong with Tampa?

 

[David St Hubbins]

Q is not coming in as a "consultant." Why would he bother? The Flyers may not be his first choice, or even his third choice. We just don't know.

If the kids in LHV can't make the Phantoms a top team in the AHL, they're not going to move the needle here.
So it comes down to a judgment call, will they develop faster in the AHL or NHL. And no, there is no one on this board who has a clue which is the better development strategy.

My personal thoughts are they are probably better in the AHL (except maybe NAK) for a couple more months, Rubtsov and Kase were the most impressive, but Rubtsov is hurt and Kase dinged up coming off a shoulder injury, so forget those two. Myers and Friedman certainly wouldn't be hurt by more seasoning, same with Vorobyev, who may not be a good fit anyway, given his lack of speed on a team that wants to get faster. Even NAK might be helped by playing a bigger offensive role (and polishing his skills) than he'd see in Philly.

Since every saint has a history, and every sinner has a future, I shall bring light to the ignorant.

Why Q as a consultant: because as an informal position it (probably) would not violate his severance agreement. It would also allow him some time to decide whether this was indeed something he wished to take on. As a supporting architect in the immediate rebuild it would also provide bona fides that the team was working in the same direction that he wished.

Development of the kids I listed: most have been in the system for a full year of AHL already. If they "need" another year in the AHL they probably aren't difference makers (and yes, exceptions can ALWAYS be found ). If we are goingto make moves it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff. To the specifics:
- Ruby & Kase: Odd that you start with them as they are NOT on my suggested list. Almost like you are talking to some character from the Wizard of Oz. No Matter.
- As to Myers and Voro, whether staying in the minors would hurt them is really besides the point. One made the team out of camp and was sent to tthe pressbox for inferior players, the other made a good argument for himself. Bring them up and let them show what they can do.
- NAK: putting him with a slower-footed but proven shooter (JVR) and an international playmaker (Voro) puts him in a pretty good position to use his speed as a 2 way player and generate offense. Especially against lower lines. That, you might say, would allow him to polish some of his skills and increase his scoring role.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hakstol makes it easier to evaluate players, since they're in a scheme they know. And you have years of film on them in that scheme.
Put a new coach in with a new scheme and suddenly you don't know if a player is struggling due to talent or trying to figure out the new scheme.
And since that new coach will be gone by summer, you'll just be wasting half a year.

It's a scheme that works towards futility and constant failure. It is a college scheme that holds players back, and even did so in college; Hakstol had some really strong rosters that he always lost with in the end, for isntance. That makes players harder to evaluate, since they aren't working towards successful goals but rather towards stupid goals, like living on the perimeter and playing to protect ties or 1 goal leads, both of which bring loss in this league, especially with average or poor goaltending. He also uses players incorrectly, making it harder for them to succeed and be evaluated. He pairs the top line with Hagg and MacD rather than Ghost or Sanheim, he put JVR on the 3rd line for weeks while further anchoring the 2nd line with Weise, he has absolutely no scheme in place to cash in on Voracek's playmaking, And he does silly things like burying TK in the bottom six occasionally while grossly underplaying players who need to be evaluated, to the point where they cannot be evaluated.

He makes evaluation as hard as possible.

The real problem is making changes mid-season, unless you have an assistant/AHL coach you've been grooming as a replacement, an interim coach isn't going to help. Pittsburgh had Sullivan in the AHL for years, and he knew many of the players on the roster, and they had played his scheme, and they promoted three of his AHL players and added a D-man (Schultz) who was a good fit. That was a relatively seamless transition, while he was hired as the head coach, not a lame duck interim coach.

Numerous teams make changes, and make changes from completely outside the org, that pay off immediately.

If the Flyers wanted to do that with Knob, he should have been sent to LHV, and Gordon brought to Philly as an assistant coach.
In fact, even if they hire a new HC this summer, I want Knob or someone like him at LHV, running the same scheme as Philly, bonding with the prospects and learning the ropes, so if the Flyers have to go through this again, they're prepared to make a HC change.

I also want Knob in LHV.

They have Wilson. Wilson is a good candidate to be an interim coach. He isn't a proven failure, and that alone makes him better than our current HC, who has used these last four years to thoroughly prove he is.

 

[Foggy14]

I want him fired now too.

I want Simmonds gone so there isn't the possibility of him being re-signed.

Yep. He'll be missed, but it's time to pad his numbers and move him to a club that could use his heart, guts and PP scoring for a deep playoff run this season. Unless Fletch works a miracle, that's not us.

Curious question....which person can fire Scott? I hate him because he is a bourgeois capitalist who thinks global warming is natural. Hope your mega house at the shore is under water in a few years.

Don't know exactly who can fire Dave, but I'd bet it's another bourgeois capitalist.

Because his presence in the organization is no longer acceptable.

Reb, I like the way you think. Fletch should hire you as his "bad cop" assistant.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

If you got to justify a big signing by bringing up the possibility of exposing the said player in the expansion draft. You should probably just skip out on signing the player in the first place as you’re admitting you don’t have much faith in the signing.

Not a faith thing. He’s a vezina winner. A flexibility thing. If you go with a higher value contract contingent on no movement restrictions, maybe it’s something that would be considered on both sides.

 

[deadhead]

Finally watched it instead of relying on what you guys said here. Referenced Tampa Bay specifically as a model team.

He didn't reference TB as a "model team," rather, as an example where you can play "physical" with speed by hounding the puck, in fact, he could have used Vegas as a similar example. He didn't refer to TB's offensive prowness.

Give that his ideal players were Giroux and TK, don't expect a bunch of offensively oriented, figure skating smurfs next year!

Fletcher may emphasis speed over size to some extent, but speedy players who have high motors and forecheck and are very competitive (play with a little edge).
But outside of Strome, and maybe Vorobyev, I don't see too many of Hextall's prospects that don't fit this mold.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I'm confused. What is wrong with Tampa?

They’re full of “figure skaters”.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

A lot of these ideas to fix the Flyers approach it from a video game-like perspective.

Trading for high talent guys without suggesting which high talent guy would go the other way.

Assuming you can just hire a coach, not that he might prefer other teams.

Assuming your speculative coach hire will be able to persuade a free agent who used to play for him but was traded away; having no real knowledge of their personal relationship; & ignoring reports Panarin is interested in a beach climate.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Sure, but firing Hakstol is hardly irrelevant. It is a must. It also puts any complacent players on alert.

It signals to the word in general that failure is not to be tolerated. Continued employment of Hakstol says that failure is tolerated. Likewise for Lappy.

Especially when your backside gets penetrated to the tune of 6-0, 7-1 scores, things like that.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Especially when your backside gets penetrated to the tune of 6-0, 7-1 scores, things like that.

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[Captain Dave Poulin]

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Is that some kind of advanced statistic?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Is that some kind of advanced statistic?

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[JayB]

Check. Check. Check. Check.

If its okey i would go after Tarasenko with Voracek.

Get rid of Simmonds.

Defense needs also righty with size like Manson / Parayko / Larsson, if not possible to have righties lets go for Nurse / Zadorov.

 

[wuf]

If its okey i would go after Tarasenko with Voracek.

Get rid of Simmonds.

Defense needs also righty with size like Manson / Parayko / Larsson, if not possible to have righties lets go for Nurse / Zadorov.

I'd take Tank over Voracek, probably Panarin as well. I doubt we get Parayko. Maybe Nurse

 

[Prongo]

Pietrangelo is a better option. One year left and they need a core shake up. A Pie-Provorov or Pie-Ghost pairing is my dream.

All we need is Weber and Ryan.

 

[baudib1]

I'm down for Shea Weber actually. Don't @ me

 

[Prongo]

I'm down for Shea Weber actually. Don't @ me

I love you

 

[JayB]

I'd take Tank over Voracek, probably Panarin as well. I doubt we get Parayko. Maybe Nurse

Panarin and Bob as UFA signings
Simmonds(-50%) to contender for pick, Voracek+pick from Simmonds to Tarasenko.

No idea how to acquire D..

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If Voracek frustrates you, current Tarasenko will too. I don't follow the Blues closely enough to tell you why, but he's not the guy you hope he would be these days.

 

[Striiker]

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[Curufinwe]

Talking about Chara getting the C in Boston.

After training camp, iirc. But very quickly. They liked his whole commitment to fitness and what have you, they brought in a trainer that was very similar to him in how like, insanely stringent he is/was with diet and off-ice workouts. Management wanted that to be the culture of a team that was lacking a real identity.

 

[hatcher]

A lot of these ideas to fix the Flyers approach it from a video game-like perspective.

Trading for high talent guys without suggesting which high talent guy would go the other way.

Assuming you can just hire a coach, not that he might prefer other teams.

Assuming your speculative coach hire will be able to persuade a free agent who used to play for him but was traded away; having no real knowledge of their personal relationship; & ignoring reports Panarin is interested in a beach climate.

Philly used to be a forsure thing for coaches,players everything but not now.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Talking about Chara getting the C in Boston.

Friedman flat out said that z had a clause in his contract he would be given C when he signed with broons.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

If Voracek frustrates you, current Tarasenko will too. I don't follow the Blues closely enough to tell you why, but he's not the guy you hope he would be these days.

still 4 feet closer than G and Jake

 

[JojoTheWhale]

still 4 feet closer than G and Jake

6 feet closer than Eichel. Giroux's been out that far for years. Some can get away with it.