GM Chuck Fletcher

[Beef Invictus]

Firing Hakstol is irrelevant, finding a suitable replacement, that's the key.

Sure, but firing Hakstol is hardly irrelevant. It is a must. It also puts any complacent players on alert.

It signals to the word in general that failure is not to be tolerated. Continued employment of Hakstol says that failure is tolerated. Likewise for Lappy.

 

[wuf]

His only real job this season is firing Hakstol. I can actually live with keeping Simmer and him walking at the end of the season. We have an abundance of futures. It's not the best asset management but it happens all the time.

I fully expect that to be an off-season move, but you have a good point, I could also include that in my asks for this season.
I'm just getting tired of writing his name. I'm getting tired of saying it.
I'm also hoping that the less I talk about him, the more likely it is he will actually get fired.

I could see Simmonds walking, I just want this GM to start off on the right foot and make smart moves, make a run at some big UFA's, and not fool himself into thinking this team is competitive in its current state.

 

[wuf]

Sure, but firing Hakstol is hardly irrelevant. It is a must. It also puts any complacent players on alert.

It signals to the word in general that failure is not to be tolerated. Continued employment of Hakstol says that failure is tolerated. Likewise for Lappy.

You know, I wasn't thinking of it like that. Thanks guys, I'm all pissed off again that this clown is employed.

 

[David St Hubbins]

Firing Hakstol is irrelevant, finding a suitable replacement, that's the key.

WTF? Why would he fire a perfectly good coach? Fletch needs to get Ringo Starr and his All Starr Band in here so we can properly evaluate the coaching.

 

[wuf]

1. Fire Hakstol
2. Fire Lappy
3. Fire Dillabaugh
4. Hire Quenneville and whoever he wants as assistants
5. Buy-out final year of MacDonalds contract
6. Make a big offer for Panarin using Q as recruiter
7. Make a big short-term offer for Bobrovksy or Varlamov
8. If you can't get Bob or Varly, trade for Aaron Dell
9. Trade for Trouba, who wants out of Winnipeg
10. Profit

Really digging the way you see this Reb (taken from another thread).
Check. Check. Check. Check.
I'm down for buying out the clown. Let him go back to his million dollar circus tent that he lives in.
I want Panarin on this team, didn't think about Q as a recruiter for this.
I want Bob on this team. Hart is a ways out, having Bob bring him along wouldn't be bad. I don't like Varlamov, but he might be our Russian goalie.
Trouba is interesting as well.

 

[Lindberg]

I want Simmonds gone so there isn't the possibility of him being re-signed.

 

[macleish1974]

Curious question....which person can fire Scott? I hate him because he is a bourgeois capitalist who thinks global warming is natural. Hope your mega house at the shore is under water in a few years.

 

[Rebels57]

Really digging the way you see this Reb (taken from another thread).
Check. Check. Check. Check.
I'm down for buying out the clown. Let him go back to his million dollar circus tent that he lives in.
I want Panarin on this team, didn't think about Q as a recruiter for this.
I want Bob on this team. Hart is a ways out, having Bob bring him along wouldn't be bad. I don't like Varlamov, but he might be our Russian goalie.
Trouba is interesting as well.

Just imagine some variation of this lineup next season..

JVR - Giroux - Konecny
Panarin - Couturier - Voracek
Lindblom - Patrick - Frost
Raffl - Laughton - Aube-Kubel

Provorov - Trouba*
Sanheim - Gostisbehere
Morin - Friedman

Bobrovsky
Hart

Quenneville behind the bench,

*I'm not sure who would need to be traded for Trouba but I did not include Myers in my lineup and instead assumed he would be part of a trade for Trouba. This won't be popular but you have to give to get. If we can make it happen with just futures, then replace Friedman with Myers in the lineup.

 

[Oskar Man]

Why buy out Andy? Just bury him

 

[Rebels57]

Why buy out Andy? Just bury him

Because his presence in the organization is no longer acceptable.

 

[Oskar Man]

Because his presence in the organization is no longer acceptable.

That goes without saying...

I want him gone as much as the next guy but buying him out doesn't make much sense with only 1 year to go. Eat a bunch of his salary and send him to Arizona

 

[ArchAngel55]

Firing Hakstol is irrelevant, finding a suitable replacement, that's the key.

What is Emilio Estevez doing these days?

 

[deadhead]

Bob would be a horrible mistake if you want to win a playoff series.
His career playoff record, 5-12 with a .898 S%
Nor is this some relic from the beginning of his career.
Last two playoff series: 3-8 with a .893 S%.

Plus his current .898 makes me wonder if he's struggling to adjust to the new pads or just getting old.

As far as Lehtera, MacDonald, etc., they're not the problem, finding suitable replacements has been the problem.
By next year, unless the kids go belly up, they'll all be gone.
NAK, Vorobyev and Frost at forward (maybe Allison/Laczynski), Morin, Myers and Friedman on defense, that's 6 of 20 players.
Doesn't leave a lot of room even if Simmonds and Raffl leave, and I expect them to resign Raffl to a two year deal.
Folin is on a one year deal, Lehtera is in his last year, so only Weise and MacDonald are signed for next season.
And that's before Fletcher goes shopping for free agents or gets trade happy.

 

[David St Hubbins]

There is so much to be done, but I really think that we should remember that the first step, is admitting you have a problem. Once we accept that anything beyond the first round of the playoffs is not realistic (and may even be a stretch) this year, we can start to heal.

Q hired as "consultant", as the unofficial beginning of his coaching tenure
Knob as interim, moved to Phantoms next season, when Q brings on his full staff.
Hak and Lappy sent to the 8th Circle of Hell (Fraud), with Lappy replaced by Danny Briere, Gritty, or a random student at the local Goddard school. Anything is an upgrade.
Simmer traded for futures which are added to Hagg to bring in Pietrangelo.
Weal, Lehtera, Weiss & Amac traded for whatever we can get. If nothing, off to Allentown.
Bring up Pimp (3C), Myers, Morin (when healthy), NAK, Vecchione, Leier

G-Coots-TK
Lindy-NP-Jake
JVR-Pimp-NAK
Laughton-Vecchione- Raffl
Leier

Provy-Pietrangelo
Ghost-Gudas
Sanheim-Myers
Folin

Then over the summer address goaltending - I can live with Bob but am concerned about term - and any move any of these kids that dont have a clear place in the next 2 years.

 

[macleish1974]

There is so much to be done, but I really think that we should remember that the first step, is admitting you have a problem. Once we accept that anything beyond the first round of the playoffs is not realistic (and may even be a stretch) this year, we can start to heal.

Q hired as "consultant", as the unofficial beginning of his coaching tenure
Knob as interim, moved to Phantoms next season, when Q brings on his full staff.
Hak and Lappy sent to the 8th Circle of Hell (Fraud), with Lappy replaced by Danny Briere, Gritty, or a random student at the local Goddard school. Anything is an upgrade.
Simmer traded for futures which are added to Hagg to bring in Pietrangelo.
Weal, Lehtera, Weiss & Amac traded for whatever we can get. If nothing, off to Allentown.
Bring up Pimp (3C), Myers, Morin (when healthy), NAK, Vecchione, Leier

G-Coots-TK
Lindy-NP-Jake
JVR-Pimp-NAK
Laughton-Vecchione- Raffl
Leier

Provy-Pietrangelo
Ghost-Gudas
Sanheim-Myers
Folin

Then over the summer address goaltending - I can live with Bob but am concerned about term - and any move any of these kids that dont have a clear place in the next 2 years.

We need to think out of the box.

Somewhere in this picture Frost has to center TK. The LW tbd later. I am thinking Farabee for now.

 

[deadhead]

Sure, but firing Hakstol is hardly irrelevant. It is a must. It also puts any complacent players on alert.

It signals to the word in general that failure is not to be tolerated. Continued employment of Hakstol says that failure is tolerated. Likewise for Lappy.

I think hiring Fletcher accomplished that goal.
You're really obsessed with Hakstol. It's not healthy.
Fletcher's personnel moves are far more important, because that's the players for the next coach.

Whether the Flyers finish the year with Hakstol, Gordon or Knob will be irrelevant to next season.
And if you want to win this season, I'd stick with the coach who came out of nowhere to make the playoffs last season.
Q right now is a wet dream, and there are no other coaches available (unless you're dying to give Vigneault a long-term deal).

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Late 1st+B prospect is as good as it gets. Just take it and run!

Finally watched it instead of relying on what you guys said here. Referenced Tampa Bay specifically as a model team.

 

[Tripod]

Just imagine some variation of this lineup next season..

JVR - Giroux - Konecny
Panarin - Couturier - Voracek
Lindblom - Patrick - Frost
Raffl - Laughton - Aube-Kubel

Provorov - Trouba*
Sanheim - Gostisbehere
Morin - Friedman

Bobrovsky
Hart

Quenneville behind the bench,

*I'm not sure who would need to be traded for Trouba but I did not include Myers in my lineup and instead assumed he would be part of a trade for Trouba. This won't be popular but you have to give to get. If we can make it happen with just futures, then replace Friedman with Myers in the lineup.

Not to nitpick, but Raffl is a UFA this summer. No need to re-sign him. We still have Weise for that spot though!

 

[Rebels57]

Not to nitpick, but Raffl is a UFA this summer. No need to re-sign him. We still have Weise for that spot though!

Yeah I would actually like him re-signed. Cheap serviceable player. Im sure @Appleyard agrees!

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think hiring Fletcher accomplished that goal.
You're really obsessed with Hakstol. It's not healthy.
Fletcher's personnel moves are far more important, because that's the players for the next coach.

Whether the Flyers finish the year with Hakstol, Gordon or Knob will be irrelevant to next season.
And if you want to win this season, I'd stick with the coach who came out of nowhere to make the playoffs last season.
Q right now is a wet dream, and there are no other coaches available (unless you're dying to give Vigneault a long-term deal).

Finishing with Hakstol is directly relevant to next season, as he makes roster evaluation extremely difficult. What with that fact that he and his system are a miserable failure, and he has no idea how to utilize his roster. Any sort of different look is valuable.

I am not "obsessed" with Hakstol. He is the #1 problem with the team. The issues he creates permeate everything.

If anyone is obsessed, it's you. The fact that you're willing to embrace failure through the end of the year is baffling, as is your apparent stance that there are not any coaches anywhere who are superior to Hakstol.

 

[David St Hubbins]

We need to think out of the box.

Somewhere in this picture Frost has to center TK. The LW tbd later. I am thinking Farabee for now.

Frost is not possible this year due to the agreement with the CHL. Finding out what we have with Vorobyev is therefor critical, as he could be either a solid 4C, a Tradable 3C (with Frost starting next year in the AHL if necessary), or just another prospect that didnt work out. It's the perfect time to start finding out whether we have struck the motherload or are dealing with fools goald. On Pimp, Morin, Myers, NAK, Rubtsov, Vecchione, and Leier. And shortly after on Freidman and a couple of others.

 

[deadhead]

Q is not coming in as a "consultant." Why would he bother? The Flyers may not be his first choice, or even his third choice. We just don't know.

If the kids in LHV can't make the Phantoms a top team in the AHL, they're not going to move the needle here.
So it comes down to a judgment call, will they develop faster in the AHL or NHL. And no, there is no one on this board who has a clue which is the better development strategy.

My personal thoughts are they are probably better in the AHL (except maybe NAK) for a couple more months, Rubtsov and Kase were the most impressive, but Rubtsov is hurt and Kase dinged up coming off a shoulder injury, so forget those two. Myers and Friedman certainly wouldn't be hurt by more seasoning, same with Vorobyev, who may not be a good fit anyway, given his lack of speed on a team that wants to get faster. Even NAK might be helped by playing a bigger offensive role (and polishing his skills) than he'd see in Philly.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Then over the summer address goaltending - I can live with Bob but am concerned about term - and any move any of these kids that dont have a clear place in the next 2 years.

Is there any thought that bob would sign without a nmc? He could sign for max length but be exposed for expansion to Seattle. Which should give us a look at hart before deciding.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

If you got to justify a big signing by bringing up the possibility of exposing the said player in the expansion draft. You should probably just skip out on signing the player in the first place as you’re admitting you don’t have much faith in the signing.

 

[deadhead]

Finishing with Hakstol is directly relevant to next season, as he makes roster evaluation extremely difficult. What with that fact that he and his system are a miserable failure, and he has no idea how to utilize his roster. Any sort of different look is valuable.

I am not "obsessed" with Hakstol. He is the #1 problem with the team. The issues he creates permeate everything.

If anyone is obsessed, it's you. The fact that you're willing to embrace failure through the end of the year is baffling, as is your apparent stance that there are not any coaches anywhere who are superior to Hakstol.

Hakstol makes it easier to evaluate players, since they're in a scheme they know. And you have years of film on them in that scheme.
Put a new coach in with a new scheme and suddenly you don't know if a player is struggling due to talent or trying to figure out the new scheme.
And since that new coach will be gone by summer, you'll just be wasting half a year.

The real problem is making changes mid-season, unless you have an assistant/AHL coach you've been grooming as a replacement, an interim coach isn't going to help. Pittsburgh had Sullivan in the AHL for years, and he knew many of the players on the roster, and they had played his scheme, and they promoted three of his AHL players and added a D-man (Schultz) who was a good fit. That was a relatively seamless transition, while he was hired as the head coach, not a lame duck interim coach.

If the Flyers wanted to do that with Knob, he should have been sent to LHV, and Gordon brought to Philly as an assistant coach.
In fact, even if they hire a new HC this summer, I want Knob or someone like him at LHV, running the same scheme as Philly, bonding with the prospects and learning the ropes, so if the Flyers have to go through this again, they're prepared to make a HC change.