GDT: GM#9 LA Kings vs Dallas Stars @5:30 10/23/18

[KingsFan7824]

Richards trade wasn’t a mistake. It was the non-buyout he messed up on.

They were still multiple moves away from winning when the Richards deal was made. You don't make that trade when you're that far away. That's Lucic trade thinking.

The New England Patriots are probably the best example.

Granted football is a very different sport in which having one great player (the QB) can make a world of difference, but the Patriots always trade players away before they start to regress. They've even come up with a term for it; "The Patriot Way"

They've been contenders for almost 18 years straight.

Fair enough, but Brady also isn't just one great player. He is likely the greatest QB in history, and is still very productive up through the age of 40+. A lot of moves can look good when you have that on your side. All that greatness from a 6th round pick too. It's such a rare situation, but it does exist.

In the context of the NHL under a hard cap, there aren't going to be many examples of teams doing the smart thing. Boston did with Lucic, but that was taking advantage of an emotionally compromised Lombardi. Easy pickings. There aren't too many recent Cup winnings GM's like that out there. Lucic also had just the one year left, unlike Carter for example.

 

[Bandit]

The New England Patriots are probably the best example.

Granted football is a very different sport in which having one great player (the QB) can make a world of difference, but the Patriots always trade players away before they start to regress. They've even come up with a term for it; "The Patriot Way"

They've been contenders for almost 18 years straight.

How many teams have been able to do that across all major sports besides them? When the bar is what only one team has been able to accomplish in all of major sports while having arguably the best player in the history of the game in the most important position, maybe the bar isn’t all that reasonable

 

[kingsfan28]

Not a good night for LA.

 

[bouncesonly]

San Jose getting beat by Nash 4-2.

Oof, Nasvhille, must have thought they were playing the Kings.

 

[KINGS17]

How many teams have been able to do that across all major sports besides them? When the bar is what only one team has been able to accomplish in all of major sports while having arguably the best player in the history of the game in the most important position, maybe the bar isn’t all that reasonable

Not many, and the New England Patriots are the exception due to Brady. That doesn't excuse management from doing the right thing though.

If every team is just trying to "stay competitive" it should be extremely easy to trade your best assets for younger up and coming assets and embrace the suck once your team's run is over. I will always be fine with a great 3 year run of being one of the top two teams in the NHL followed by 5 years of rebuild then another 3-4 years of being contender. Watching the building process is fun. Watching your team contend is fun. This is NOT fun.

 

[deaderhead28]

They were still multiple moves away from winning when the Richards deal was made. You don't make that trade when you're that far away. That's Lucic trade thinking.

Mike Richard's was traded to the Kings in the 2010/2011 offseason if my memory serves me right.2011/2012 season they won the cup.How were they not ready to make that trade and so far away if they won the cup the first year with Richards?

 

[Ollie Weeks]

That was bad. Even when they were carrying the play, it was like watching drunks try to carry a conversation. There are stretches of play where it legitimately looks like they’ll never win another game.

And it really is impossible to listen to the home feed right now. Chipper, clueless Faust, and hopelessly optimistic Fox.

Burn it down.

 

[johnjm22]

Fair enough, but Brady also isn't just one great player. He is likely the greatest QB in history, and is still very productive up through the age of 40+. A lot of moves can look good when you have that on your side. All that greatness from a 6th round pick too. It's such a rare situation, but it does exist.

In the context of the NHL under a hard cap, there aren't going to be many examples of teams doing the smart thing. Boston did with Lucic, but that was taking advantage of an emotionally compromised Lombardi. Easy pickings. There aren't too many recent Cup winnings GM's like that out there. Lucic also had just the one year left, unlike Carter for example.

How many teams have been able to do that across all major sports besides them? When the bar is what only one team has been able to accomplish in all of major sports while having arguably the best player in the history of the game in the most important position, maybe the bar isn’t all that reasonable

I think other teams have done it, just not in a cap league. Detroit was basically a contender for nearly 20 years.

On top of Brady being one of the best players of all time, he also takes a pay cut so the team has more cap space, and Belichik is probably the best football coach of all time.

So yeah, it's probably not replicable, but it does demonstrate that coldly trading players before their inevitable decline is doable.

 

[johnjm22]

Mike Richard's was traded to the Kings in the 2010/2011 offseason if my memory serves me right.2011/2012 season they won the cup.How were they not ready to make that trade and so far away if they won the cup the first year with Richards?

He's saying even after that trade multiple moves had to be made to turn them into a contender.

The Kings were a worse team after the Richards trade. It was until Carter and Sutter arrived that that changed.

 

[kingsfan28]

Kempe's earned a day off. I;m thinking Thursday vs the Wild.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Damn! Radulov out! So, changing my 6-2 Dallas win, to 4-2, Dallas.

Post Game Stevens interview -"we played the best 60 minutes, I think, since Montreal. I think we're headed the right direction....got pucks in deep, liked our PACE (new buzzword, that did not exist prior to 2018) and our forecheck. I thought Quickie tracked pucks better..."

Called it! 4-2 Dallas win. Last game, I said 6-1 Sabres win and it was 5-1. Crazy.

Post on Game thread vs Buffalo:::::::

"""""""""""I actually kind of hope for a 6-1 loss, so Blake will do something. If the Kings win, 3-2, they will all think they have righted the ship. With a 6-1 loss, someone gets fired, dealt, or not dressed next game. Hopefully, all 3. Need changes."""""""""""""""""

 

[KINGS17]

Called it! 4-2 Dallas win. Last game, I said 6-1 Sabres win and it was 5-1. Crazy.

Post on Game thread vs Buffalo:::::::

"""""""""""I actually kind of hope for a 6-1 loss, so Blake will do something. If the Kings win, 3-2, they will all think they have righted the ship. With a 6-1 loss, someone gets fired, dealt, or not dressed next game. Hopefully, all 3. Need changes."""""""""""""""""

Move to Vegas, profit.

 

[deaderhead28]

He's saying even after that trade multiple moves had to be made to turn them into a contender.

The Kings were a worse team after the Richards trade. It was until Carter and Sutter arrived that that changed scoring wise and making the playoffs.

On paper their were a good team,just not producing.So they brought in Sutter and traded for Carter,that doesnt change the fact of the statment that the Kings were so far away from contention.You absolutely make that trade for Richard's at that time and it paid off.He was a piece they needed like Carter later that year and a coach.Carter was traded for again cause of the scoring issues,not the talent on the team.The Kings had Kopi,Richards and Stoll down the middle.Then they went and got Carter later that year hoping to pump the scoring and it gave the Kings very deep team.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

The day gets even worse. I signed up for a free 30 day trial of Amazon Prime. It expires the day before Black Friday

 

[Peter James Bond II]

The day gets even worse. I signed up for a free 30 day trial of Amazon Prime. It expires the day before Black Friday

I saved 15% by changing to Geico. LOL. I once asked them, "so I spend 15 minutes and save 15%?" They said " yes, it takes about that much time" I replied "could 25 minutes save me 25%?"
They didn't think it was funny.

 

[deaderhead28]

Anyone heard or have the post game interview with Stevens?

 

[kingsfan28]

When was the last time the Kings were in last place 9 games in? Even ARZ in playing better than us, and scoring which they didn't do for their first 5 games.

 

[Maynard]

Anyone heard or have the post game interview with Stevens?

I know right? I know he doesn’t have any answers but I still like to hear him say it.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Good effort by the boys tonight, I appreciate their determination to force management to do something about this mess

 

[Shellz]

Anyone heard or have the post game interview with Stevens?

I believe it was “I don’t know”

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings are getting outworked all over the ice.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

The Kings are getting outworked all over the ice.

And have been for like 40 games

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I guessed the score before the game. Sadly.

Either fire Stevens or trade everyone for a proper tank. I can't imagine Blake or anyone watching the results thinking this is a playoff team. I haven't watched a game since Ottawa, but I don't think I need to. Same old shit. Process doesn't matter when you get blown up by a string of the struggling and/or worst teams in the league literally night after night. We haven't been in a close game in two weeks. The Montreal game is the aberration on the season, a win we scraped by; the only other win was against the only worse team in the league. Buffalo came in after our shitty road trip after losing games 6-1, 5-1, 4-1 and blew us the f*** up 5-1. Islanders came in here on a back to back after losing 5-2 and 4-1 and blew us the f*** up 7-2. Toronto blew us up as kind of expected, I guess. Now Dallas, coming off 4-1, 3-0, 3-1 losses and without one of their best players blew us up 4-2. These aren't good teams we're losing to, nor are they even one-goal games where I'd whine about bounces and luck changing. On paper, this is the easiest stretch of kings hockey in forever (yes yes, someone's gonna say there are no 'easy' games, that's not what I said). 17 goals for, 32 goals against. 1.88 GF/G, 3.5 GA/G. It doesn't matter WHAT the process looks like if 1/8 of your season starts like that and is a continuation of the previous 20ish games.

And the coach says I don't know? f*** out of here.

If accountability existed on this soft ass team, Kempe would be benched and made a healthy scratch in the next slate of games.

Yep. I know some will say that's an on-ice-play decision, but good coaching would bench him so f***ing hard he wakes up in Stockholm. Coaching isn't just about Ws and Ls, it's about process and growth. Shouldn't have promising sophomores regressing as well.

 

[The Butcher]

Couldn't catch the game tonight, how'd it go?

 

[damacles1156]

This roster is slow and doesn't play with any fire.