GDT: GM#75 LA Kings vs Colorado Avalanche @6:00

[KingsFan7824]

Made up for the Blues game.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Full highlights of the game from the Avs feed. Great duo !!!!

Watch it after Kopitar’s goal and it will automatically start after 6 seconds.



I read the GDT on the Avs board and nothing but respect for their fans. Not a single annoying remark, not one and many compliments.

Unbelievable.

 

[KINGS17]

I can't wait till next season when we have a clean slate to b**** about Kopitar's contract again...

Kopitar is having his first great season under his $10M cap hit contract. He is 30 years old. Will it continue for six more years after this season?

It remains to be seen. Many of you think the idea of not handing out those kind of deals on third contracts is a personal attack on Kopitar, so you miss the point entirely.

Get back to me when a team with those types of contracts wins a cup.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Getzlaf already signed a contract for $8.250 years ago and that one will end in 2021. What do you think would have been fair for Kopi, realistically ?

I wished we could have signed him for $1M less and 2 years shorter as well, but just 750k more (3 years later and being better) compared to Getzlaf, would mean Kopitar has a lousy agent.

It is really worth to complain about $1M too much and 2 years too many....over and over again ?

$10M is market price, no home town discount though.

Paul Kariya already got $10M a season, 15 years ago.

 

[driller1]

Well, PIT has won the Cup the last 2 years...

Kopitar is having his first great season under his $10M cap hit contract. He is 30 years old. Will it continue for six more years after this season?

It remains to be seen. Many of you think the idea of not handing out those kind of deals on third contracts is a personal attack on Kopitar, so you miss the point entirely.

Get back to me when a team with those types of contracts wins a cup.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm not going to go back and explain again why it worked out for Pittsburgh, but Crosby's cap hit is $8.7M.

Paul Kariya is irrelevant to the argument as there was no salary cap at the time.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I'm not going to go back and explain again why it worked out for Pittsburgh, but Crosby's cap hit is $8.7M.

Paul Kariya is irrelevant to the argument as there was no salary cap at the time.

Caphit of Malkin is €9.5M.

Is that relevant ?

 

[KINGS17]

Caphit of Malkin is €9.5M.

Is that relevant ?

I don't know, two generational talents for a combined $18.2M, you tell me.

Are the guys making $10M+ cap hits in their league on a consistent basis?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I don't know, two generational talents for a combined $18.2M, you tell me.

Are the guys making $10M+ cap hits in their league on a consistent basis?

No because these type of contracts werent handed out until recently. My salary has increased as well over the years.

From now on, this is what top players will get. Toews, Kane, Kopitar, happens to be the first pending UFA's.

I am very happy that Kopitar will most likely end his career in LA and only played for this team.

 

[TwzKing]

Was there an event or somenthing, why was there so many kings fans there. Is that normal for the Pepsi center?

 

[Reaper45]

Was there an event or somenthing, why was there so many kings fans there. Is that normal for the Pepsi center?

Just a group of fans that live there I think? Though there seemed to be a lot.

 

[tny760]

CO does have a lot of CA transplants but yeah that did seem a bit much

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Nothing against McKinnon, great player, but I do wonder why he received an assist on the first goal.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kopitar is having his first great season under his $10M cap hit contract. He is 30 years old. Will it continue for six more years after this season?

It remains to be seen. Many of you think the idea of not handing out those kind of deals on third contracts is a personal attack on Kopitar, so you miss the point entirely.

Get back to me when a team with those types of contracts wins a cup.

"Get back to me when a team with those types of contracts wins a cup." It literally just happened.

*Cites 2000s PIT with Crosby and Malkin at 12% of cap each, 2000s Detroit with Zetterberg and Datsyuk at 10% each, Boston Chara at 11%*

"Oh, those ones don't count"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

FWIW PIT last year had Malkin at 15.17%, Crosby at 13.89%, AND Kessel at 10.86%. They won a Cup. Kopitar is currently at 13.55%--I'll take it for the years of healthy consistent production vs. the volatility of those mentioned.

 

[yankeeking]

I don't know, two generational talents for a combined $18.2M, you tell me.

Are the guys making $10M+ cap hits in their league on a consistent basis?[/QUOTE

Having read almost all of your post for many years now it seems that you are either a accountant or work with money and I believe you know that the actual dollar amount while important is secondary to the % of the cap at time of signing ,and both Crosby and malkin's contracts were equal to or more than kopi's , its like saying tampa did a better job signing stamkos to 8.5 million when they have the advantage of no tax which equals it out. Very few guys are worth the money these guys get and timing is like they say " timimg is everything" so all these add up to a wash with the big contracts, and its hard to fathom giving a 24-25 year old that kind of money not knowing how they react to having millions and millions of dollars but can't rent a car the theory makes sence but reality is different ( see tons of NBA & NFL contracts)

 

[lumbergh]

I don't know, two generational talents for a combined $18.2M, you tell me.

Are the guys making $10M+ cap hits in their league on a consistent basis?

I like how you just keep on trucking after several posters punctured your argument with actual facts. Keep on rockin' in the free world, man.

 

[johnjm22]

I want to give Forbort some credit. He's battled hard in the last week.

People always point out his mistakes, but he's playing 21 minutes per night. Outside of an elite few, every NHL defenseman makes mistakes regularly. That's because playing defense in the NHL is REALLY hard.

This is really only his second season and he was solid last year.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

So after 12 seasons (Pavol Demitra), Kings finally have a player with a PPG season again.

Next barrier; 40 goals.

 

[KingsFan7824]

You can't compare Pittsburgh to anyone. First, they have both Crosby and Malkin. Second, they will have had Crosby for the same stupid $8.7m cap hit from 2008 to 2025, should he play those last 3 years of the back diving contract he signed before the last lockout. Not too many players that will have the same cap hit for 17 years. Carter actually comes kind of close, but he's not Crosby.

Bergeron vs. Kopitar. In career numbers, Kopitar has a higher points per game. Plus, Kopitar has helped the Kings win 2 Cups, to the 1 Bergeron has helped to win in Boston. I have to imagine things like that get factored into negotiations. Bergeron also signed his most recent contract almost 3 years before Kopitar did. I'm guessing the cap going up changed the numbers in there somewhere.

It didn't matter what the smart or right move was. It doesn't matter what Kopitar does 3 years from now. Once the Kings signed Quick after the Cup win, everyone else was going to get their money too. That's the road they chose to go down. They weren't giving Quick and Brown retirement contracts, only to stop at Kopitar. If Doughty wants to stay, or at least doesn't mind staying, they're going to do the same with him. Regardless of the consequences for the next decade.

 

[King'sPawn]

Kopitar is having his first great season under his $10M cap hit contract. He is 30 years old. Will it continue for six more years after this season?

It remains to be seen. Many of you think the idea of not handing out those kind of deals on third contracts is a personal attack on Kopitar, so you miss the point entirely.

Get back to me when a team with those types of contracts wins a cup.

You said this was a bad contract to hand to Kopitar, because he's on the wrong side of 30 and this is when play statistically drops.

He is having the best year of his career.

What you and others overlooked in those charts is the circumstances why play typically drops, and why a few of them don't pertain to Kopitar.

I don't expect Kopitar to have this level of play for the next six years, but he can still be a viable #1 center in that time.

Plus the cap is going up.

 

[KINGS17]

"Get back to me when a team with those types of contracts wins a cup." It literally just happened.

*Cites 2000s PIT with Crosby and Malkin at 12% of cap each, 2000s Detroit with Zetterberg and Datsyuk at 10% each, Boston Chara at 11%*

"Oh, those ones don't count"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

FWIW PIT last year had Malkin at 15.17%, Crosby at 13.89%, AND Kessel at 10.86%. They won a Cup. Kopitar is currently at 13.55%--I'll take it for the years of healthy consistent production vs. the volatility of those mentioned.

No it didn't just happen. Crosby and Malkin do NOT have full value contracts. They are at a discount when it comes to their cap hits.

 

[KINGS17]

You said this was a bad contract to hand to Kopitar, because he's on the wrong side of 30 and this is when play statistically drops.

He is having the best year of his career.

What you and others overlooked in those charts is the circumstances why play typically drops, and why a few of them don't pertain to Kopitar.

I don't expect Kopitar to have this level of play for the next six years, but he can still be a viable #1 center in that time.

Plus the cap is going up.

Kopitar is having a great season. Kudos to him. How many "great" seasons has he had in a row? You can't claim his play didn't drop off last season, and nagging injuries are part of the game as a player ages.

Are the Kings going to contend during the next few years? The contract needs to be looked at in the context of what is best for the organization. The objective is to win a Stanley Cup. For some here, the objective seems to be to watch a really good player, who happens to be one of their favorites, play for the Kings until he retires.

In terms of the context of the Los Angeles Kings with the other key personnel they have on the roster (i.e. not many young very good players on ELCs) the Kopitar contract isn't a good fit.

 

[Butch 19]

I don't know, two generational talents for a combined $18.2M, you tell me.

Are the guys making $10M+ cap hits in their league on a consistent basis?

how can you forget generational Bobby Holik at $9m?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Are the Kings closer to contending for a Cup with or without Kopitar? I think we know the answer to that question.

 

[King'sPawn]

Kopitar is having a great season. Kudos to him. How many "great" seasons has he had in a row? You can't claim his play didn't drop off last season, and nagging injuries are part of the game as a player ages.

Are the Kings going to contend during the next few years? The contract needs to be looked at in the context of what is best for the organization. The objective is to win a Stanley Cup. For some here, the objective seems to be to watch a really good player, who happens to be one of their favorites, play for the Kings until he retires.

Kopitar has had very reliable durability.

And even if the Kings aren't contenders, his habits, dedication to 200 feet of ice, and professionalism is something that can be taught to younger players for cup contention in future years.

Teams who do wholesale fire sales do not work. And trading a player like Kopitar while "his value is high" is a very bad moves. These aren't stocks. Thry are people who affect other people in the organization.