GDT: GM#75 LA Kings vs Colorado Avalanche @6:00

[Raccoon Jesus]

What did he say that was so blasphemous?

He said what most of us have said: this team is hard to get a read on because they’re on some nights, off on others, and heavily rely on spectacular play from their stars.

This shouldn’t be controversial information. They looked great last night. Kopitar was an absolute beast, and of all the things I’ve doubted about the squad this year, Kopitar isn’t one of them.

But they also looked good in those back to backs against Vegas. And they followed it up with stinkers.

Rupp is completely correct. The Kings need to string together several wins here and build momentum going into the playoffs.

Blasphemous? I think you're overreacting. Literally just saying it's like he was surprised he was asked a question and had to talk. He didn't say anything profound, that's all. It was just a funny moment. Chill out. Rupp is usually really good and more well spoken than one would expect.

 

[kingsfan28]

Yep, that's Mike Rupp. Usually like him. Tripped over his words here though

Half way through , he totally forgot the question and just started talking about nothing. He hasn't watched enough games to know the Kings are much faster and actually play with pace, unlike the last few seasons.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Blasphemous? I think you're overreacting. Literally just saying it's like he was surprised he was asked a question and had to talk. He didn't say anything profound, that's all. It was just a funny moment. Chill out. Rupp is usually really good and more well spoken than one would expect.

Lmao I’m completely chilled; trust me. I know we had that major blowout a week or so ago, but my post wasn’t directed toward you nor was I trying to dig the spurs in there. Just offering my opinion on what Rupp said since it was being discussed.

I think he struggled for words a bit because it is hard to get a read on the Kings, though. At least that’s how it seemed.

 

[Bandit]

I think he struggled for words because he's an ex player that took one too many blows to the head.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

I think he struggled for words because he's an ex player that took one too many blows to the head.

 

[KINGS17]

Well, I appreciate many of you recognize the points I try to make on the contract subject. Many thanks to Big King, RJ, Herby, Fishhead, and Frolov6'3.

If I missed anyone who supports someone holding a strong opinion on a message board, I thank you as well. Then there are lame posts like this one:

If he hopes he's wrong about his disdain for Kopi's contract then he should just shut up about it as no amount of bellyaching every time he's got a chance will change it.
Kopitar (and Brown for that matter) was instrumental in the 2 Cup runs. Do you think without those Cups Kopi and Brown would have signed a lesser contract?
Point is, whether we win another Cup or not with Kopi and Brown's (and very soon Doughty) contracts shouldn't matter at this time since they already delivered. And who can predict what kind of team we will have and what kind of league there will be when he's 37?

You miss the entire purpose and concept of a message board.

As I said in an earlier post there are some who only care about watching players which were on the roster when the cups were won and want to do so until they retire. You must be one of them. I would rather watch the organization retool, rebuild, whatever you want to call it, but get busy working on building a roster that can win a third cup. I don't think it's this roster, so the sooner they get to work on the next window the better.

Who can predict what kind of league it will be when Kopitar is 37 years old? I can tell you this. Kopitar will be overpaid in terms of cap hit.

In regards to shutting up, if it's between the two of us, I think I know who should shut up instead of removing all doubt.

 

[tny760]

Who can predict what kind of league it will be when Kopitar is 37 years old? I can tell you this. Kopitar will be overpaid in terms of cap hit.

i can predict with 100% certainty this fact which is actually an opinion

 

[TruKingFan]

If I missed anyone who supports someone holding a strong opinion on a message board, I thank you as well.

LOL. Please...take a bow why don't you. Just because you've posted 500x more than somebody, 80% of which is useless drivel, doesn't mean jackshit.

As I said in an earlier post there are some who only care about watching players which were on the roster when the cups were won and want to do so until they retire. You must be one of them. I would rather watch the organization retool, rebuild, whatever you want to call it, but get busy working on building a roster that can win a third cup. I don't think it's this roster, so the sooner they get to work on the next window the better.

The only problem is that's fantasy league. No team can be champions and immediately ditch players just because you have to pay them market value and think you can turn it around at a snap of a finger. It doesn't work that way. Yes teams pick and choose who they retain and for this team it's Kopi Brown, Quick, Doughty, et al. You don't think this roster can contend...fine. It's your "strong" opinion. Still just an opinion.

Who can predict what kind of league it will be when Kopitar is 37 years old? I can tell you this. Kopitar will be overpaid in terms of cap hit.

You can't predict what kind of league it will be in 7 years but KNOW Kopitar will be "overpaid in terms of cap hit" in that unknown league 7 years into the future? Better call a medic I think that's a sign of a mental disease...carry on.

 

[SlimCharles]

I think Kopitar can be one of those rare players that can play well into their late thirties and even age 40. Call me crazy, but I can see it happen with his style of play.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think Kopitar can be one of those rare players that can play well into their late thirties and even age 40. Call me crazy, but I can see it happen with his style of play.

Me too. Gives me that Mats Sundin vibe.

 

[SlimCharles]

Me too. Gives me that Mats Sundin vibe.

Good call, man I miss watching Mats Sundin.

 

[TruKingFan]

I think Kopitar can be one of those rare players that can play well into their late thirties and even age 40. Call me crazy, but I can see it happen with his style of play.

But..but...he might still be grossly overpaid preventing the Kings from ever becoming contenders again!!!!! The horror!!!!

 

[KINGS17]

Me too. Gives me that Mats Sundin vibe.

If you look at Mats Sundin's offensive production from age 30-37, he never had a season like the ones Kopitar had in 2014-15 or 2016-17.

They have the same body type, but in terms of consistency if Kopitar doesn't do every year what he is doing this year, I don't think it's a fair comparison to Sundin. Both great players, but Sundin is clearly going to be the more consistent player unless Kopitar does something he hasn't been doing up to this point in time.

2000-01	29	TOR	NHL	82	28	46	74	15	76	19	9	0	6	32	13	1	226	12.4		1587	19:21
2001-02	30	TOR	NHL	82	41	39	80	6	94	29	10	2	9	24	14	1	262	15.6		1585	19:20								AS-2,Hart-8
2002-03	31	TOR	NHL	75	37	35	72	1	58	18	16	3	8	20	13	2	223	16.6		1519	20:15								AS-7,Hart-18,Selke-37
2003-04	32	TOR	NHL	81	31	44	75	11	52	19	11	1	10	23	18	3	226	13.7		1609	19:52								AS-2,Byng-31,Hart-12
2005-06	34	TOR	NHL	70	31	47	78	7	58	13	16	2	2	19	26	2	220	14.1		1399	19:59
2006-07	35	TOR	NHL	75	27	49	76	-2	62	20	6	1	3	21	28	0	321	8.4		1535	20:28
2007-08	36	TOR	NHL	74	32	46	78	17	76	21	10	1	4	27	19	0	259	12.4	447	1485	20:04	945	768	55.2	33	34	21	54	Byng-70,Selke-32
2008-09	37	VAN	NHL	41	9	19	28	-5	28	4	5	0	2	10	9	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[KINGS17]

LOL. Please...take a bow why don't you. Just because you've posted 500x more than somebody, 80% of which is useless drivel, doesn't mean jack****.



The only problem is that's fantasy league. No team can be champions and immediately ditch players just because you have to pay them market value and think you can turn it around at a snap of a finger. It doesn't work that way. Yes teams pick and choose who they retain and for this team it's Kopi Brown, Quick, Doughty, et al. You don't think this roster can contend...fine. It's your "strong" opinion. Still just an opinion.



You can't predict what kind of league it will be in 7 years but KNOW Kopitar will be "overpaid in terms of cap hit" in that unknown league 7 years into the future? Better call a medic I think that's a sign of a mental disease...carry on.

Take a bow? How does thanking people equate to taking a bow?

When you're in a hole, you should stop digging, because you have nothing other than "YAY KOPI!!"

At this point there is no doubt.

 

[kingsfan28]

I think Kopitar can be one of those rare players that can play well into their late thirties and even age 40. Call me crazy, but I can see it happen with his style of play.

By the time Kopitar reaches his mid 30's and beyond, the cap will be at 100 mil and we'll be complaining about Valardi's huge contract, not his.

 

[TopT]

Well, I appreciate many of you recognize the points I try to make on the contract subject. Many thanks to Big King, RJ, Herby, Fishhead, and Frolov6'3.

If I missed anyone who supports someone holding a strong opinion on a message board, I thank you as well. Then there are lame posts like this one:



You miss the entire purpose and concept of a message board.

As I said in an earlier post there are some who only care about watching players which were on the roster when the cups were won and want to do so until they retire. You must be one of them. I would rather watch the organization retool, rebuild, whatever you want to call it, but get busy working on building a roster that can win a third cup. I don't think it's this roster, so the sooner they get to work on the next window the better.

Who can predict what kind of league it will be when Kopitar is 37 years old? I can tell you this. Kopitar will be overpaid in terms of cap hit.

In regards to shutting up, if it's between the two of us, I think I know who should shut up instead of removing all doubt.

Well, I appreciate many of you recognize the points I try to make on the contract subject. Many thanks to Big King, RJ, Herby, Fishhead, and Frolov6'3.

If I missed anyone who supports someone holding a strong opinion on a message board, I thank you as well. Then there are lame posts like this one:



You miss the entire purpose and concept of a message board.

As I said in an earlier post there are some who only care about watching players which were on the roster when the cups were won and want to do so until they retire. You must be one of them. I would rather watch the organization retool, rebuild, whatever you want to call it, but get busy working on building a roster that can win a third cup. I don't think it's this roster, so the sooner they get to work on the next window the better.

Who can predict what kind of league it will be when Kopitar is 37 years old? I can tell you this. Kopitar will be overpaid in terms of cap hit.

In regards to shutting up, if it's between the two of us, I think I know who should shut up instead of removing all doubt.

I remember one lame post or should I say poster; the guy was biggest Kopitar bullshiter on the entire internet, he used to post very regulary on HF until people noticed he was full of shit; then he took a year off HF only to came back after Kings failed to get in to PO and Kopi had a bad year. He started sending PMs around and I quote "I told you so". Guess what; I think its time for another holiday cause we told you so !

 

[Bandit]

I remember one lame post or should I say poster; the guy was biggest Kopitar bull****er on the entire internet, he used to post very regulary on HF until people noticed he was full of ****; then he took a year off HF only to came back after Kings failed to get in to PO and Kopi had a bad year. He started sending PMs around and I quote "I told you so". Guess what; I think its time for another holiday cause we told you so !

LOL, what? People do this? Holy jeebus.

 

[TopT]

LOL, what? People do this? Holy jeebus.

couldnt believe it myself; this poster waited the whole year so he could finally get his revenge and told me he was right. The PM title was:
Hey!! How's that Kopitar Contract Working Out?

Told you so!!

Mar 27, 2017

 

[KINGS17]

I have been right here during perhaps the best season of Kopitar's career. I didn't post much for a period of time a couple of years ago and a select few know the reason. I have to say that situation is much improved and I appreciate it.

I did send out one PM regarding Kopitar's play last season to a poster with a singular agenda. I have yet to see that poster engage in the discussion with any logic or well considered thought. The fact I have been here all season indicates any poster who thinks I disappear when Kopitar is playing well doesn't know what they are talking about, but that is not unusual.

I still contend, given Kopitar's age and in the context of the players surrounding him, his contract will keep the Kings firmly in the black hole for some time. Not good enough to truly contend, and not bad enough to get the high picks in the draft which are necessary to have a chance to contend once again in 5-6 years.

I hope I am wrong. I would like to see Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, and Carter put the team on their backs and win a cup. I think it's highly unlikely.

Kopitar's contract just delays the inevitable, and we have no idea what Blake is going to do with Doughty this summer. Maybe Blake can work some magic with the Doughty situation. It's a difficult task for Blake.

 

[King'sPawn]

As I said in an earlier post there are some who only care about watching players which were on the roster when the cups were won and want to do so until they retire. You must be one of them. I would rather watch the organization retool, rebuild, whatever you want to call it, but get busy working on building a roster that can win a third cup. I don't think it's this roster, so the sooner they get to work on the next window the better.

Who can predict what kind of league it will be when Kopitar is 37 years old? I can tell you this. Kopitar will be overpaid in terms of cap hit.

First off, while we apparently disagree on Kopitar, please know many of us don't doubt your love for the Kings. It sucks people are misconstruing your opinion and baiting you with personal attacks.

Regarding the second paragraph, that is both a contradiction and an opinion.

Regarding the first paragraph, this Colorado game is something that Kopitar rarely does offensively, but Kopitar brings qualities in all facets of the game that all players can learn from.

Sorry if this sounds like fanboyism, but Kopitar's combination of offensive talent, defensive dedication, even temperment, and professionalism is exactly why you DO keep him around regardless.

So he has a large cap hit. If the Kings decide to rebuild, they won't be spending near the cap anyway.

Going back to Detroit, Yzerman was one (along with Lidstrom) who passed the torch to Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Datsyuk and Lidstrom are gone, and now Zetterberg remains to infuse his qualities on players like Larkin when they can compete again.

Kopitar may or may not be contributing offensively enough to warrant his cap hit. If that's all you're looking for, then there's not much more to discuss. But he does bring a lot more to the table to make the cap hit palatable and manageable.

 

[KINGS17]

First off, while we apparently disagree on Kopitar, please know many of us don't doubt your love for the Kings. It sucks people are misconstruing your opinion and baiting you with personal attacks.

Regarding the second paragraph, that is both a contradiction and an opinion.

Regarding the first paragraph, this Colorado game is something that Kopitar rarely does offensively, but Kopitar brings qualities in all facets of the game that all players can learn from.

Sorry if this sounds like fanboyism, but Kopitar's combination of offensive talent, defensive dedication, even temperment, and professionalism is exactly why you DO keep him around regardless.

So he has a large cap hit. If the Kings decide to rebuild, they won't be spending near the cap anyway.

Going back to Detroit, Yzerman was one (along with Lidstrom) who passed the torch to Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Datsyuk and Lidstrom are gone, and now Zetterberg remains to infuse his qualities on players like Larkin when they can compete again.

Kopitar may or may not be contributing offensively enough to warrant his cap hit. If that's all you're looking for, then there's not much more to discuss. But he does bring a lot more to the table to make the cap hit palatable and manageable.

I can definitely see your point of view regarding Kopitar's value in terms of other aspects of his game which make him worth keeping around.

I think the last Kopitar contract negotiation was a missed opportunity to reset the table and build around Doughty. Based on Doughty's behavior this season and his comments regarding his unwillingness to go through another rebuild (which he certainly didn't suffer through for long), I am beginning to have doubts about whether or not Doughty will stick around.

I also thought Doughty would continue to grow into a leadership role and gain maturity, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

With the cap increase and Kopitar’s career year, his 10 million doesnt seem as bad. If these factors hold out for the most part, its my opinion that we have the space to equip a good team around Kopitar. Its up to the Toffoli’s, basically, to deliver on their end.

I do agree that Doughty’s raise could signal the end times, especially if he can’t get his head on straight. The right players at this kind of money are acceptable, but right now my gut tells me Kopitar is more that guy than Doughty.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If you look at Mats Sundin's offensive production from age 30-37, he never had a season like the ones Kopitar had in 2014-15 or 2016-17.

They have the same body type, but in terms of consistency if Kopitar doesn't do every year what he is doing this year, I don't think it's a fair comparison to Sundin. Both great players, but Sundin is clearly going to be the more consistent player unless Kopitar does something he hasn't been doing up to this point in time.

That's simply because Sundin has arguably the most consistent career in NHL history, so if Kopitar comes close to that, we're set. I do think you wholly understate Kopitar's consistency based on those two clear outlier seasons.

And yeah I was more thinking stylistically/body type. Both huge dudes who use their frame for protection rather than hitting, known as quiet two-way guys who just (mostly) peacefully went about their business without fanfare (even when Sundin was in TO it was pretty quiet!). Both guys who are consistently near the top in scoring but not enough to be known as 'the best' etc. Now Kopi just needs to pick up online poker

 

[Frolov 6'3]

That's simply because Sundin has arguably the most consistent career in NHL history, so if Kopitar comes close to that, we're set. I do think you wholly understate Kopitar's consistency based on those two clear outlier seasons.

I was thinking the same.

He has been in in this league for 12 seasons. In those 12 seasons he has rarely been injured. One bad season (what other season was bad ?) and than I must read he lacks consistency and cant be compared to Mats Sundin. Than I wonder, why would I waste my time on this matter.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I was thinking the same.

He has been in in this league for 12 seasons. In those 12 seasons he has rarely been injured. One bad season (what other season was bad ?) and than I must read he lacks consistency and cant be compared to Mats Sundin. Than I wonder, why would I waste my time on this matter.

I think he's referencing the 64 points in 2015, when Kopi had a slooooow start...before going PPG the rest of the way.