Post-Game Talk: GM 7 | Habs def. Canucks - 5-2 (Pettersson, Hoglander)

[AwesomeInTheory]

You'd be surprised how many people would rather be right than happy. It's a mental illness really.

One could say the same about being unwilling to face reality.

Do I really need to go into deep detail on why this team can be good? Like it's not obvious at this point? When our good players are good, we're good. Our good players haven't been good consistently yet. I believe they'll get there before long.

If you want to be taken seriously? I'd say yes.

The problem is that yes, the team does have talented players, but it's very easy to gameplan against the few talented players that are on the team.

We can go all the way back to when the Canucks had the WCE. A top heavy team, if it's not firing on all cylinders, is going to be shut down easily.

The issue, as has been stated repeatedly, is a lack of depth with this team. When you're relying on a handful of players to carry the garbage that is on this team, you can't also argue that the team is 'one of the most talented' in the league.

Do you dispute that our bottom six is filled with passengers and garbage?

Do I need to dwell on the issues we have right now?? I'm not blind. Sitting here posting "Bad turnover by Myers" for the 15th time is kinda unnecessary, no?

It provides a lot of context on what is going on with this team. But yes, I agree, if you ignore what is going on then things look very different.

 

[4Twenty]

Pearson is - to me - still a moveable asset.
Do you get a great return for him? Likely not, but a team would likely still bring him on. He had 20+ goals last season, chipped in a bit in the playoffs, and is a defensively neutral streaky forward. He’s also on the last year of an expiring deal.

The other guys I mentioned (forgot Eriksson, too) are toxic assets I can’t see anyone taking on.

Pearson will end up on Toronto or Montreal at the deadline.

 

[Peen]

Legit question. How is it positive?

I can’t find the article but I remember Drance wrote that a team can use it to be compliant and then put him on injured reserve after the season. Like the clarkson trade toronto did.

I might be bullshitting; gonna try and find it

 

[Kryten]

The same one that is now in 2021 - a team that lives and dies on it's few stars, has terrible depth that never chips in offensively and is bad defensively, a defense that is laughable and now missing a goaltender to mask everything about it.

Are we seriously forgetting the Canucks got outshot in just about every single game last year? What does that tell you?

Worst teams last year shots against
CHI 35.1
NYR 34.0
OTT 33.6
VAN 33.3
DET 32.8
NJD 32.7

Currently rocking a 36.4 average 7 games in, 2nd worst to NJD

 

[Zippgunn]

What a start to the season and this place is as expected which amuses me no end. Now my hope is that the team continues to play like this until, with no other options available to him Green inserts the toxic Loui Eriksson into the lineup whereupon we win the game with him being a +2 and scoring an empty net goal. This place would lose its mind...

 

[PG Canuck]

If it's the same team, how is also a worse team?

Read and you will see why.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Some people legit thought it was a lateral move from Markstrom/Demko to Holtby/Demko. Holtby is a former Vezina winner, ya know?

Was it unreasonable to expect some Demko growth after what we saw last summer?

 

[Captain Bowie]

Read and you will see why.

There aren't enough words in the universe to make that logic stick.

 

[PG Canuck]

Worst teams last year shots against
CHI 35.1
NYR 34.0
OTT 33.6
VAN 33.3
DET 32.8
NJD 32.7

Currently rocking a 36.4 average 7 games in, 2nd worst to NJD

Those are definitely teams you want to be grouped in with.....yikes

 

[PG Canuck]

There aren't enough words in the universe to make that logic stick.

Actually, it's pretty simple. I can do it in one word even.

Benning.

 

[Diversification]

They were discussing at the break that there might be two drafts this year for '03 and '04 birthdays? Maybe it's a blessing in disguise to bomb out this year and end up with 2 x lottery picks?

Looking for silver linings here...

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I can get behind people roasting Baumgartner because the defense has been a fire drill for years, but what is Green supposed to do with this:

Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, Beagle, Benn, Baertschi, Spooner, Luongo=26 mil in cap or 30% of the cap.

None of them are better than an AHL call up.

That's a 30% disadvantage in the hand that Green gets dealt.

That's like playing with 8 forwards and 4 defenders in a game. Or playing 4v5 all game against a team that's cap neutral (every player roughly worth their cap hit) which coincidentally is what our series against Vegas looked like.

How is a coach supposed to look good with only 70% of a team?

He can start by playing Hoglander more than all of them. He was arguably our best player tonight outside of Horvat yet played two full minutes less than Roussel and Sutter; four minutes less than Virtanen, and an astounding seven minutes less Motto. Juolevi getting sheltered minutes makes sense. He, frankly, isn't that good to begin with. Hoglander has shown he can swim in the big leagues. Why the hell aren't we using him, especially when the excuse for letting Toffoli go was to open the door for our kids to take the reins.

Now I don't think it's fair to throw all our poor play onto Greene. Scottie Bowman would struggle to turn this team isn't a serious playoff team. But I strongly feel we've reached a point of needing a full organization tear down. Everyone goes and we let a new regime take off without having voices from the old getting in their way.

 

[kanuck87]

Was it unreasonable to expect some Demko growth after what we saw last summer?

Basing it off a 3-game sample size? Yes.

 

[Kryten]

Those are definitely teams you want to be grouped in with.....yikes

Yep, the next worse was WPG who gets bailed out by Helly

 

[Jovofan]

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Was it unreasonable to expect some Demko growth after what we saw last summer?

It's unreasonable to keep giving up multiple odd man rushes and prime scoring chances in the slot, while also getting outshot by a 2:1 ratio every night.

 

[Intangibos]

I can get behind people roasting Baumgartner because the defense has been a fire drill for years, but what is Green supposed to do with this:

Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, Beagle, Benn, Baertschi, Spooner, Luongo=26 mil in cap or 30% of the cap.

None of them are better than an AHL call up.

That's a 30% disadvantage in the hand that Green gets dealt.

That's like playing with 8 forwards and 4 defenders in a game. Or playing 4v5 all game against a team that's cap neutral (every player roughly worth their cap hit) which coincidentally is what our series against Vegas looked like.

How is a coach supposed to look good with only 70% of a team?

He could make better roster decisions. Baertschi looked fine in his few games up here last year, better than several of the players Green chooses to play instead.

Like, yeah he didn't sign the contracts, but he's on board with playing Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, Beagle etc ahead of Baertschi or even Gaunce both of which outplayed several players on that list. So I'm just going to go ahead and assume Green is on the same page as Benning in thinking those players are NHL calibre.

 

[CherryToke]

Might break some records if they keep Green all year

 

[Captain Bowie]

It provides a lot of context on what is going on with this team. But yes, I agree, if you ignore what is going on then things look very different.

So if I don't dwell on the bad, I don't acknowledge the bad? I'll remember that for the next GDT. Just constantly spam every mistake a player makes so everyone knows I think what they think.

 

[Intangibos]

Legit question. How is it positive?

I'm not sure how it works, but if we traded Ferland to another team, whose insurance covers the tab for his salary?

 

[EpochLink]

I have a feeling if we lose on Monday to Ottawa then Aquaman drops the hammer I feel. This can’t continue for him..#FireBenning is trending on Twitter and all the quotes are being pointed to him.

 

[rypper]

?
Ferland is done?
He's not going to try and make a comeback?

Unconfirmed.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

So if I don't dwell on the bad, I don't acknowledge the bad? I'll remember that for the next GDT. Just constantly spam every mistake a player makes so everyone knows I think what they think.

I just think that you're unwilling to acknowledge that there are problems with this team and you aren't doing a very good job of articulating why this team is good.

They looked 'good' in 2020 and Demko should be showing signs of improvement based on a 3 game sample size is about all you've managed to argue, unless I missed something, then I apologize for missing it.

 

[rypper]

I'm not sure how it works, but if we traded Ferland to another team, whose insurance covers the tab for his salary?

His contract is uninsured, so nobody is touching it.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Basing it off a 3-game sample size? Yes.

Or you know, the natural progression of a young goalie based on his career to date, on top of that.

So you really think it was silly to think Demko might continue to grow as a young player. What he was as of April 2020 is all he'll ever be.