GDT: GM#54 LA Kings vs Philadelphia Flyers @4:00pm 2/7/19

[KingPuckChoo]

Although he is doing what most want in retooling the team and shedding contracts from the roster. He has shed close to $8M in cap space and in the off-season they'll have more than $10M in cap space (possibly more if he deals away more players).

They're finally starting to move remnants of the past who don't figure into the long term plans of the team. Not sure what else you want him to do or what better ideas you are suggesting that make any more sense. But so be it. Armchair GMs will armchair GM.

yeah bravo Blake for looking at the standings after a disaster playoffs and waking up to a possible retool
what a brilliant GM! i'd say most GMs would probably click and do something, but hey that's just speculative right?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

yeah bravo Blake for looking at the standings after a disaster playoffs and waking up to a possible retool
what a brilliant GM! i'd say most GMs would probably click and do something, but hey that's just speculative right?

So by trading Pearson and Muzzin he's doing nothing? You're not making any sense here. I'm trying to comprehend what your argument is but it's going nowhere.

 

[LAKings88]

I disagree with Desjardins as coach. Never should of happened but I don’t know if anyone else wanted the job. Seems like there should have been better options.

That needs to be rectified next year no matter what the team does to finish this season out.

Dion for Gaborik was not a terribly great move. I got it at the time. It actually solidified the defense a bit last year but the caveat was knowing Gabby would be shelved this year. Ottawa was pretty shrewd In getting rid of Dion. Gabby is basically retired.

Pearson for Hagelin was pre acknowledgment of the need to rebuild. Blake and Luc have been honest about the miscalculation which I like. Now how do they rectify things going forward?

The Vilardi pick was a big gamble. Jury is still out on that. Not looking so good now tho.

I still like the Muzzin trade.

Aside from these moves, I have no big issues with Blake’s tenor as GM.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

So by trading Pearson and Muzzin he's doing nothing? You're not making any sense here. I'm trying to comprehend what your argument is but it's going nowhere.

well ill explain the parts you skipped when you argued back, so again...

POINT 1: Pearson went early and for little (i get the idea, he wasn't selling at that point but that wasn't the only option on the table, it was the easiest)

POINT 2: Muzzin went for a low 1st and 2 prospects that can go anywhere from bust to mid range, i don't know if that's the highest price available for him, maybe wait for the trade deadline? that's a revolutionary thought is it not?

POINT 3: Phaneuf is still on the team, Matt Moulson was sent down...why can't Phaneuf? Why is he blocking the road of all our defensive prospects?

let's work with these three, and see if you think these were the absolute best things he could have done, or maybe an armchair GM could have done a better job? let's debate

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

well ill explain the parts you skipped when you argued back, so again...

POINT 1: Pearson went early and for little (i get the idea, he wasn't selling at that point but that wasn't the only option on the table, it was the easiest)

POINT 2: Muzzin went for a low 1st and 2 prospects that can go anywhere from bust to mid range, i don't know if that's the highest price available for him, maybe wait for the trade deadline? that's a revolutionary thought is it not?

POINT 3: Phaneuf is still on the team, Matt Moulson was sent down...why can't Phaneuf? Why is he blocking the road of all our defensive prospects?

let's work with these three, and see if you think these were the absolute best things he could have done, or maybe an armchair GM could have done a better job? let's debate

Moulson isn’t even Kings’ property.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Do you know what options were available for Pearson when he was dealt? If so, do tell.

Do you know what other offers were out there for Muzzin, or how that draft pick and the two prospects will pan out? They turned one player who will be a UFA next summer into three assets that could pay dividends in the future. That's considered proper asset management.

Moulson also isn't Kings property. He's Sabres property. Phaneuf has a NMC, he can't be sent down.

 

[Fishhead]

I think Blake is doing fine so far, outside of the WD hire I have no complaints, even if no one wanted to come here I would have tried to lure some new blood but whatever. As long as he continues to move out vets for assets regardless of team performance this year, I'll be happy with it.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Do you know what options were available for Pearson when he was dealt? If so, do tell.

Do you know what other offers were out there for Muzzin, or how that draft pick and the two prospects will pan out? They turned one player who will be a UFA next summer into three assets that could pay dividends in the future. That's considered proper asset management.

Moulson also isn't Kings property. He's Sabres property. Phaneuf has a NMC, he can't be sent down.

when i said OPTIONS i didn't mean options surrounding Pearson
i meant look at other things to do? IF! your option is to trade a 40pt player (a few months removed) and younger and on term for HAGELIN!!! (Pearson is having a rough patch, maybe Jets should think of trading Laine too? Before your trigger happy fingers jump at this, i am not comparing Laine to Pearson, i am suggesting that players that go through tough stretches should maybe be avoided in season trading when their value is at an all time low)

Moulson... lol f*** stop ! I know he's Buffalo's property, i meant that veteran players with heavy $$ ARE sent down and/or scratched!!!! SCRATCH HIM! SCRATCH PHANEUF... "Well that's up to Desjardins" you can't argue with certainty that Blake can't talk to an INTERIM COACH on some of these issues! come on man

And Muzzin, do you think there are higher chances usually that if you hold on to players until the trade deadline that value can go up? I mean statistically speaking or logically speaking, does value go up or down or stays same as we approach a deadline and pressure is on others to make moves? Just generally speaking here? Chime in?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Moulson isn’t even Kings’ property.

replace MATT MOULSON with LEHTERA

better!?

the fact that he plays for the Reign really confused the f*** out of you guys eh lollll

I MEAN TO SAY IF WASHED UP VETERANS CAN BE SENT DOWN OR SCRATCHED AS SOME TEAMS HAVE DONE, WHY CAN'T LA WHEN CLEARLY PHANEUF IS ONE OF THE WORST Ds IN THE NHL

less confusing now??

really really really sorry about the Matt Moulson example, but wow!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What if you wait until the trade deadline and the best offer for Muzzin is a 2nd round pick and a C-level prospect? That's entirely possible as well.

Pearson has 1 point in his last 10 games. He is always having tough stretches. He wasn't earning that contract and the Kings found someone to take it off their hands. What are the Kings missing with Pearson gone?

FYI, Brandan Leipsic has more points than Pearson this season. Want to compare their contracts?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

What if you wait until the trade deadline and the best offer for Muzzin is a 2nd round pick and a C-level prospect? That's entirely possible as well.

Pearson has 1 point in his last 10 games. He is always having tough stretches. He wasn't earning that contract and the Kings found someone to take it off their hands. What are the Kings missing with Pearson gone?

FYI, Brandan Leipsic has more points than Pearson this season. Want to compare their contracts?

1-Muzzin: everything is possible, and Blake is a chicken GM i totally agree with your statement

2-Pearson: then my friend, i have a fantastic Brendan Pirri for Tyler Toffoli offer for you

Pirri no term, you get to free up capspace and term, Toffoli had a rough year, let's do this!

3-Phaneuf ???

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

replace MATT MOULSON with LEHTERA

better!?

the fact that he plays for the Reign really confused the **** out of you guys eh lollll

I MEAN TO SAY IF WASHED UP VETERANS CAN BE SENT DOWN OR SCRATCHED AS SOME TEAMS HAVE DONE, WHY CAN'T LA WHEN CLEARLY PHANEUF IS ONE OF THE WORST Ds IN THE NHL

less confusing now??

really really really sorry about the Matt Moulson example, but wow!

Cool, I can yell as if everyone on the internet is a moron but me, too.

DION PHANEUF HAS A NMC AND CANNOT BE SENT DOWN WITHOUT HIS CONSENT AND HE WAS SCRATCHED LAST NIGHT IN CASE YOU WERE TOO BUSY RANTING ABOUT NONSENSE TO NOTICE.

Less confusing now? Really really really sorry you don’t understand the concept of no-move clauses, but wow!

 

[KINGS17]

Honestly, like what everyone's been saying, do we even wanna make the playoffs? Seriously. Kakko or Hughes would really help our future in the long run. That extra skill and top prospect is what this team truly needs. I don't even mind if we don't make it. Get swept in the first round and lose out on a potential young stud would be truly devastating in my opinion. And watch the Sucks get the 1st overall. LOL.

I have already said it would be a tragedy if this roster of malcontents (not the kids) climbs from the cellar to the black hole. It would do nothing for the long term success of the franchise, and only robs the fans of watching a more dynamic player in the future.

Maybe they will get lucky in the draft lottery or with picking a great player, but the odds of getting a great player improve the higher they draft.

If the Kings don't pick in the top 3 overall, I would hope Blake explores every option to move down slightly in a trade for additional assets.

 

[KINGS17]

If the Kings are getting better while getting younger with cost-controlled young talent, that's great.

My biggest beef with the team has been the "next wave" after Kopitar, Brown, Doughty, Quick.

Once Quick is gone, Campbell and Petersen are expected to fill his role.

Kempe, at this rate the past couple games, is showing he can fill in for Carter. He just needs to improve his consistency

They still need someone who is a more consistent top line scoring threat on the wing.

And, of course, we need reliable younger players ready to come in at D.

I'd settle for selling pieces and losing in the first round/just missing the playoffs. I don't want the Kings to lose just to get a top pick. I wanted change in an organization that was too heavily dependent on vets to re-live 2012-14 and kept sacrificing the future to hold onto that hope.

The Blackhawks were a powerhouse after getting rid of pieces post 2010 cup. The Penguins went nearly a decade with just a few key players but a lot of roster turnover between cups. The Kings seemed like they wanted to keep everyone together as much as possible.

I think it's a mistake to compare this version of the Kings to the Hawks and Penguins. Completely different situations with Malkin and Crosby being two of the best players in the world and still fairly young when Pittsburgh reloaded. Same with Chicago, they had Toews and Kane. Those two are not as good as Malkin and Crosby, but they were still very young when the Hawks had to fill in the holes around them.

The best years for the Kings best players are behind them.

I root for the kids and vets who are busting their ass out there, but I hope the organization fails to make the playoffs. It will give the Kings a better draft asset, and perhaps hasten the removal of some of the management and development personnel who haven't gotten the job done.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Cool, I can yell as if everyone on the internet is a moron but me, too.

DION PHANEUF HAS A NMC AND CANNOT BE SENT DOWN WITHOUT HIS CONSENT AND HE WAS SCRATCHED LAST NIGHT IN CASE YOU WERE TOO BUSY RANTING ABOUT NONSENSE TO NOTICE.

Less confusing now? Really really really sorry you don’t understand the concept of no-move clauses, but wow!

THANK YOU FOR NOT READING ALL THE POSTS AND JUST ENTERING MID CONVO AND ACT LIKE YOU KNOW SHIT

i did state that he finally got scratched but why the f*** did it take them 5000 games (i recall writing 5000) for them to do such a move when they could have brought up other prospects

***I KNOW PHANEUF HASN'T PLAYED 5000 GAMES WITH LA PLEASE DONT REPLY WITH THE CORRECT NUMBER OF GAMES IM EXAGGERATING TO MAKE A POINT THANK YOU!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Losing out on Kakko or Hughes would be a monstrous failure for this franchise.

We need a bonafide blue chip prospect to build around for the future. Vilardi could have been that piece, but at this point it’s not clear if he’ll ever play an NHL game, much less develop into an impact center.

We have some nice complimentary pieces with some potential in Kupari, Thomas, etc., but they’re a far cry from Kakko/Hughes.

We need a top two pick this year. Finishing in the black hole does absolutely nothing for this team in the short or long term.

Possibly, but what would you have them do when they're benching/trading vets and the youth/secondary leadership is leading the way to wins? Bench the promise and play the vets?

well ill explain the parts you skipped when you argued back, so again...

POINT 1: Pearson went early and for little (i get the idea, he wasn't selling at that point but that wasn't the only option on the table, it was the easiest)

POINT 2: Muzzin went for a low 1st and 2 prospects that can go anywhere from bust to mid range, i don't know if that's the highest price available for him, maybe wait for the trade deadline? that's a revolutionary thought is it not?

POINT 3: Phaneuf is still on the team, Matt Moulson was sent down...why can't Phaneuf? Why is he blocking the road of all our defensive prospects?

let's work with these three, and see if you think these were the absolute best things he could have done, or maybe an armchair GM could have done a better job? let's debate

1. The Pearson trade is going to end up as Pearson for a 4th or some shit. Blake bent himself over the barrel on that one, but it was change for the sake of change. Of course Hagelin went and got hurt like right away so that didn't help.

2. It's not revolutionary, but it's more risky than it seems. What if Muzzin gets hurt? What if you DONT get a better offer? The Muzzin trade was right in line with the comps, probably better (i.e. shattenkirk brought a 1st, a 2nd, and a 2nd rounder in Zach Sanford). I'm glad Blake wasn't trigger shy here.

3. Who is Phaneuf currently blocking? He's on the bench now. Send him down if you want, I guess, but he's not the one plugging the road, we have plenty of interchangeable parts, Walker is waiver eligible, etc...who would you have up (other than "ANYONE BECAUSE f*** PHANEUF")?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's not the end of the world if the Kings draft outside of the top 3.

I'll provide some examples:
2014 Draft: Nylander, Ehlers, Fiala, Larkin, Tuch, Kapanen, Pastrnak, all taken after the top 7.
2015 Draft: Rantanen, Barzal, Connor, Chabot, White, Boeser, Konecny, Roslovic, Beauvillier, all taken after the top 9.

If the scouts are as good as some here profess them to be, then they should be able to find some high quality talent in the first round.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Possibly, but what would you have them do when they're benching/trading vets and the youth/secondary leadership is leading the way to wins? Bench the promise and play the vets?





1. The Pearson trade is going to end up as Pearson for a 4th or some ****. Blake bent himself over the barrel on that one, but it was change for the sake of change. Of course Hagelin went and got hurt like right away so that didn't help.

2. It's not revolutionary, but it's more risky than it seems. What if Muzzin gets hurt? What if you DONT get a better offer? The Muzzin trade was right in line with the comps, probably better (i.e. shattenkirk brought a 1st, a 2nd, and a 2nd rounder in Zach Sanford). I'm glad Blake wasn't trigger shy here.

3. Who is Phaneuf currently blocking? He's on the bench now. Send him down if you want, I guess, but he's not the one plugging the road, we have plenty of interchangeable parts, Walker is waiver eligible, etc...who would you have up (other than "ANYONE BECAUSE **** PHANEUF")?

well you're the only one that didn't cherry pick arguments, you answered

so thanks RJ for that

seems like most people just want to win arguments

i think Blake is mediocre

in case of Phaneuf, put a Pylon in place for all i care but maybe Macdermid? If we'll never ever promote this guy because he has to go thru waivers, (i mean there's a catch 22 here, if he's good enough we won't waive him, if he sucks we waive and who cares if he gets lost) he is 24 and not getting any younger... i say promote and if he's solid he takes Phaneuf's spot... also how bad and unready is Clague that he can't even do a little better than Phaneuf? i'd like to test that theory before i confirm it being a fact...also Matt Roy? same argument

if the waiver boogeyman scares us, then maybe trade for a low pick at that point? i don't know i'm armchairing now, but to limit evolution of a team because of the Waiver Boogeyman then it confirms my stance that Blake is a chicken GM

 

[crassbonanza]

i purposely wrote STAR PLAYERS

STAR
STAR
STAR

but that's as far as i go with you GoldenBoy

What about Sakic? You know the guy who is guaranteed a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft or do you not think he is star quality?

 

[LAKings88]

Losing out on Kakko or Hughes would be a monstrous failure for this franchise.

We need a bonafide blue chip prospect to build around for the future. Vilardi could have been that piece, but at this point it’s not clear if he’ll ever play an NHL game, much less develop into an impact center.

We have some nice complimentary pieces with some potential in Kupari, Thomas, etc., but they’re a far cry from Kakko/Hughes.

We need a top two pick this year. Finishing in the black hole does absolutely nothing for this team in the short or long term.

I think the lotto is just to big of a factor. Even finishing dead last only guarantees a top three pick correct? At this point it’s mostly a hope and a prayer one of those guys goes to you. I know I want a lotto pick. I also know the Kings aren’t going to actively tank. I can’t believe how bad the West is right now. Kings shouldn’t even be able to sniff the playoffs.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

What about Sakic? You know the guy who is guaranteed a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft or do you not think he is star quality?

the guy that relies on one line to win hockey games? looks at his depth and goaltending and think it's fine as it is? yeah not too high on him either

the Duchene trade was great though, but i think that's more about the idiot in Ottawa than Sakic, but sure fair point - that was a good deal? Alot of AVS fans didn't think much of Sakic before that deal, many were considering him a mediocre GM as well

google it, read the comments, people had strong opinions then the trade happened....

 

[crassbonanza]

the guy that relies on one line to win hockey games? looks at his depth and goaltending and think it's fine as it is? yeah not too high on him either

the Duchene trade was great though, but i think that's more about the idiot in Ottawa than Sakic, but sure fair point - that was a good deal? Alot of AVS fans didn't think much of Sakic before that deal, many were considering him a mediocre GM as well

google it, read the comments, people had strong opinions then the trade happened....

Isn't your scenario a perfect example of how dumb armchair GM's are? Everyone was criticizing him regarding the Duchene trade when they had no clue what they were talking about, turns out all of those internet GM's were completely wrong. Can I ask which GM's you think are actually good?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Isn't your scenario a perfect example of how dumb armchair GM's are? Everyone was criticizing him regarding the Duchene trade when they had no clue what they were talking about, turns out all of those internet GM's were completely wrong. Can I ask which GM's you think are actually good?

people were criticizing his treatment of Duchene which is a valid point, i'm not saying i agree or disagree but it was not a stupid argument

Lamoriello, Rutherford, Armstrong, Poile, Fletcher (the Rask for Nino is no way similar to Pearson and Hagelin dont even try) off the top of my head

oh and i also liked most of what Don Sweeney has done (and no he's never been a star player in the NHL), i know he missed out on Barzal, but the way he retooled the team in less than a season was admirable

edit: let's not forget the use of his imagination to pull of that Lucic trade (also flipping Jones), just beautiful

don't ask Chicken GM Blake to think outside the box no no....just rank ur players as per stat see that Pearson has one point....find the fastest skater available and boom trade! I don't know why how some of you fail to see how simplistic this guy is, but in due time... in due time...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What Sakic has done has amounted to stockpiling lottery picks and little else. Their defense and goaltending is weaaaaak. Defense may be better with Makar, but then you have EJ aging out, then what?

Color me unimpressed by Sakic, he's on the Oilers rebuild path, just doing better in the lottery.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Not many people confound me like Sol.....KingPuckChoo.....check your account, if he hasn't hacked it, your screwed.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

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