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KingsFan7824 said:
16-9-2 against non-Pacific teams without Carter. That's 103 points in 82 games. That's good enough for a playoff spot. I'd like to know what gets into this team when they play the division. 4-9-2 without Carter. That's a 55 point team. 1-4-1 at home w/o JC. How are they only half as good against the Pacific? If they were terrible against the Central, ok. They have a respectable record there though.
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I think the real stat here is games with or without Cammalleri. The Kings are 11-2-2 with Cammy, (if I counted correctly). That's 131 points in 82 games. Can you trade for a player the same year you have traded them away?
 
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deaderhead28 said:
Those arguments really don't matter.What matters is what has happened since the Kings collapse in the standing. Kings had the second best record in the NHL and first in the pacific division and were in a playoff position.Now none of that is true and still nose diving in the standings.
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We're all drawing arbitrary lines.

They have a terrible overall record against the division without Carter, and have a pretty good overall record against non-division teams without Carter. The almost league worst record within the division, especially on home ice, is killing the team. They can't even beat Vancouver and Arizona. 3 out of 8 points against them.

Not that it's all that new. SJ has owned the Kings in LA since 2014. In the years when Calgary takes a playoff spot from the Kings, they come into LA and usually leave with at least a point, if not 2. The Ducks consistently get points from the Kings. Arizona has been a pain, especially in LA.

Their division performance, either collectively, against specific teams, or even in specific games, has hurt them in each of the last 4 years. More than anything else really. The must win game they lost to a McDavid-less Oilers team where the only goal they scored was a Doughty shot from center ice on the PP that trickled through. The constant OT losses at home to Calgary. Whatever they're doing when SJ comes to town. Anaheim has just been better. They throw points away against Vancouver. The Coyotes seem to get up for games against them, and don't always lose. Now Vegas owns them.
 
Fox is a homer. Most of us realize that but it is mind blowing that someone would say he isn't.

Also, him being a homer doesn't mean he isn't a good color guy. He's a huge homer though and making excuses doesn't "keep ratings up".

I mean, he was a bigger homer than Hayard was during the NBCSN broadcast of the Kings/Ducks game last Friday. A real turning point for the Hayward hate as it's a total glass house situation now.

I said when they chose Faust that Fox is going to get worse because he is the big dog now. That is why I was hoping for an established veteran to keep him in check a bit but he is running the booth now.
 
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BigKing said:
Fox is a homer. Most of us realize that but it is mind blowing that someone would say he isn't.

Also, him being a homer doesn't mean he isn't a good color guy. He's a huge homer though and making excuses doesn't "keep ratings up".

I mean, he was a bigger homer than Hayard was during the NBCSN broadcast of the Kings/Ducks game last Friday. A real turning point for the Hayward hate as it's a total glass house situation now.

I said when they chose Faust that Fox is going to get worse because he is the big dog now. That is why I was hoping for an established veteran to keep him in check a bit but he is running the booth now.
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Lol,I never said he wasn't annoying.I said there's worse folks doing his job on tv and Jim Fox doesn't warrant the total crap he gets.

He loves his job,likes this team and is educating or keeping the viewers informed during the game.Many here aren't as informed as they might like,and Fox did his job during the 1st period.

For example since you brought up the Ducks game,he was clowning Hayward and informing the tv audience why the suspension of Cogs was different than Browns punishment.

And he added the DOPS rules on both.You may dislike Fox that's fine,we all see things different.i rather listen to a broadcast crew that is passionate about the Kings then a crew that's not.

I normally turned off volume of the Stanley Cup runs and playoffs on the tv to listen to Evans and Nickson instead.
Until the final game the final minute then I wanted to hear the crowd counting down and celebrating.

Again many accuse Bob being a homer as well over his career it's was nonsense.I remember others calling Bob a terrible play by play guy as well, doesn't make it so and it was unwarranted.
 
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Hawyard correctly mentioned that Quick was way outside his crease when Perry bumped him going across. Valid point. Then Fox has to jump in with some "But the point of contact is the head" whiny bullshit which was pure homerism at its finest. It was gross.

Fox felt Brown should have been suspended and was surprised he wasn't. I have no problem with him comparing it to the Cogs suspension since they are not apples-to-apples plays.

There is no issue with him "explaining the game". Bob would call the Kings to the mat when deserved but Fox always has an excuse.
 
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seriously, the amount of excuses foxy made last night was outrageous

unfortunately he's gotten alex to start doing it too
 
BigKing said:
Hawyard correctly mentioned that Quick was way outside his crease when Perry bumped him going across. Valid point. Then Fox has to jump in with some "But the point of contact is the head" whiny bull**** which was pure homerism at its finest. It was gross.

Fox felt Brown should have been suspended and was surprised he wasn't. I have no problem with him comparing it to the Cogs suspension since they are not apples-to-apples plays.

There is no issue with him "explaining the game". Bob would call the Kings to the mat when deserved but Fox always has an excuse.
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Kings went from first to nose diving train wreck and now out of a playoff spot and we're now talking about how Jim Fox Kings award winning and one of the most respected color analysts in the game of hockey today is a homer.Lol Talk about being bored.
 
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We won't make playoffs if we can't win against our division, and as many people have said, this is a problem that has been historical for the Kings since even 2012. Which makes sense; the Pacific was built to counter the Kings since that time. Also the big guns of the pacific in Anaheim, SJ, and Vancouver probably have the most experience playing the Kings in general. They know all our core players on a personal level, know their strengths and weaknesses, etc.

I've been down on this team all season, but we're not as bad as the losing streak. That being said, continuously losing to our own division has become infuriating, and I don't understand why the Kings aren't frustrated either. With the way they act and play, it seems they want to get styled on for the rest of time.
 
deaderhead28 said:
The Kings are now out of a playoff spot.Carter alone isn't going to make this team a cup contender or fix the holes in the roster.Its the same holes this team has had for several years and it's not getting fixed by Carter returning.Carter isn't a top 4 defensemen nor is this idea Ladue is going to solve that hole.Stevens is part of the problem since day one he was announced as head coach.Kings players are also at fault, and Kopi and leadership are fully to blame for this train wreck.Doughty has no business being a Alternate Captain.The guy is way too immature.Last game Doughty is whining to the Refs over a play as the linesmen are about to drop the puck.Brown had to yell at Doughty to stop and get back in the game.Kopi stood there.Brown is the true Captain not Kopi,the walking C.
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I dunno man, for a long time you advocated for another top six forward as well; if you don't think adding a 60-point, fantastic skating and defensive center to ANY lineup is a HUGE boost, I don't know what to tell you. Doubly so for a bubble team with little center depth, we saw last year what missing Kopitar can do, we're seeing now what missing Carter can do. Team has issues, not trying to make excuses, but that's a significant absence for ANY team.



lexlavender said:
We won't make playoffs if we can't win against our division, and as many people have said, this is a problem that has been historical for the Kings since even 2012. Which makes sense; the Pacific was built to counter the Kings since that time. Also the big guns of the pacific in Anaheim, SJ, and Vancouver probably have the most experience playing the Kings in general. They know all our core players on a personal level, know their strengths and weaknesses, etc.

I've been down on this team all season, but we're not as bad as the losing streak. That being said, continuously losing to our own division has become infuriating, and I don't understand why the Kings aren't frustrated either. With the way they act and play, it seems they want to get styled on for the rest of time.
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I agree, and my bigger problem with the losses in-division is the lack of emotion. How can Kempe and Lewis get so mad at the Rangers, but we're perfectly content getting run over by the Canucks? Ducks games nonwithstanding I suppose.
 
Team has no gumption. Williams, Richards, Mitchell, Regehr - those guys were the real veteran balls of the team.

And the reality is that if the team needs Carter this bad to win games, they’re not that good, and far away from Cup contention. Great teams weather key injuries with depth. Look at the Ducks. Missing Getzlaf and Kessler for half the year, still held on. If the Kings were missing Kopitar and Carter, they’d be a lottery team.

If they don’t at least make the playoffs, it’s time for a rebuild. Blake hasn’t really impressed me. He made some decent depth signings (with Lombardi’s hand picked guys). He negotiated some good contracts with Pearson and Toffoli. Other than that, he’s circling the wagons.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Team has no gumption. Williams, Richards, Mitchell, Regehr - those guys were the real veteran balls of the team.

And the reality is that if the team needs Carter this bad to win games, they’re not that good, and far away from Cup contention. Great teams weather key injuries with depth. Look at the Ducks. Missing Getzlaf and Kessler for half the year, still held on. If the Kings were missing Kopitar and Carter, they’d be a lottery team.

If they don’t at least make the playoffs, it’s time for a rebuild. Blake hasn’t really impressed me. He made some decent depth signings (with Lombardi’s hand picked guys). He negotiated some good contracts with Pearson and Toffoli. Other than that, he’s circling the wagons.
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The Ducks were a lottery team with their injuries. Tampa Bay missed the playoffs because of injuries last year, and they were running away with the league this year until a few injuries struck--now they're .500 in their last 10 games, about to lose 1st in the league after a significant lead (sound familiar?), and have been blown out on several occasions, including losing three games in a row just last week by a combined 14-3.

Depth is king but big injuries are big injuries. Let's not underplay that. Even more so on a team with shallow center depth like us, which you seem to agree with.

Carter is a huge loss, I'm not sure why anyone would continue to undersell that. Those things aren't mutually exclusive--the team also has huge concerns to fix, missing Carter sucks.
 
I know people will look far and beyond for complex explanations as to why the team is where they are now.

I'll make it short.

Bad trades
And No Voynov.

We never recovered yet.

Richard's sucked ass, and Stoll was awful around the time he left. Mitchell was very good but he left too. Always injured as well, Scuderi was very solid but he was an echler at his last stint.


Players fell off the map.

Particularly, our defense. I guarantee you that if we had a solid RR or someone else, as well as Voynov. We'd be sitting pretty.


Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Awful trades by DL, and no Voynov.

That's what blew major holes in our ship. Not leadership bullshit.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I dunno man, for a long time you advocated for another top six forward as well; if you don't think adding a 60-point, fantastic skating and defensive center to ANY lineup is a HUGE boost, I don't know what to tell you. Doubly so for a bubble team with little center depth, we saw last year what missing Kopitar can do, we're seeing now what missing Carter can do. Team has issues, not trying to make excuses, but that's a significant absence for ANY team.





I agree, and my bigger problem with the losses in-division is the lack of emotion. How can Kempe and Lewis get so mad at the Rangers, but we're perfectly content getting run over by the Canucks? Ducks games nonwithstanding I suppose.
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That was my biggest point of contention with last night's game I would say the fact that Clifford didn't do anything to try and get a momentum change or just to even send a message. It just makes me think that hes useless on this roster.
 
Here's the thing too, if Blake can trade for a top 4 defenseman at any cost whether picks or prospects, we will be good.

Carter coming back plus a top 4 defenseman can honestly make us into a legit contender.

On top of that I know Clague is young, but if they can bring him in next year, we will be good. Trade away Gaborik as well. These are all things that are very well possible and aren't unreasonable.

These can happen, and should.

Shit trade Carter for a Top 4 and Bring in Vilardi next year.

All things that can be done.
 
Sol said:
I know people will look far and beyond for complex explanations as to why the team is where they are now.

I'll make it short.

Bad trades
And No Voynov.

We never recovered yet.

Richard's sucked ass, and Stoll was awful around the time he left. Mitchell was very good but he left too. Always injured as well, Scuderi was very solid but he was an echler at his last stint.


Players fell off the map.

Particularly, our defense. I guarantee you that if we had a solid RR or someone else, as well as Voynov. We'd be sitting pretty.


Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Awful trades by DL, and no Voynov.

That's what blew major holes in our ship. Not leadership bull****.
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Best summary. I don't think there is much to add.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Best summary. I don't think there is much to add.
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People thought we were bad when muzzin was out three games. Now imagine if Voynov was here, he was 5 times the player that Muzzin was.

Doughty, Voynov, Muzzin plus a decent 4th defenseman would put us at the top of the league in term of defensive corps.



If the Kings have a 1% chance to bring back Voynov, they should jump in head first.
 
It's unfortunate that the Kings playing the way most of us expected before the season started is bringing people around to the realization that Carter should be traded. Which is something Herby, Kings17 and myself have been saying for a few years now.
 
tny760 said:
seriously, the amount of excuses foxy made last night was outrageous

unfortunately he's gotten alex to start doing it too
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Has it gotten that bad? Jeez, when I see the Kings play as bad as they do, I just hit the fast-forward button automatically now. I've done this about a dozen times this season. It's sad that Fox is apparently a terrible influence on Faust.
 
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