Post-Game Talk: [GM 16] Canucks lose to Bruins | 2-5 | Miller & Dries

[Saturated Fats]

I remember, during the nadir of the 2020/21 COVID-shortened season, I saw a post that outraged me at the time, but that now feels as prescient as anything I've ever read on this board.

It was when someone referred to us as being like the Oilers when they struggled for a few years after their 2017 playoff berth - that we had the core in place to be strong, but we were absent some supplementary pieces.

A poster (I have no idea who) said we were naive to think that we were at the McDavid/Draisaitl point of our rebuild, and that we were more likely at the Hall/Cogliano/Paajarvi/Eberle/Gagner point.

That's always stuck with me. Turns out to be about as bang-on as anything I've seen here

 

[EpochLink]

Myers is ass now, yet gets 6 million this year.
Good grief

 

[orcatown]

Give the team some credit for working hard in the third to make a game of it but when it counted they really got handled by the Bruins. Just brutalized on the forecheck.

Good

Garland - always brings it and created chances. Forced turnovers in the offensive zone and won numerous puck battles that allowed for offensive chances. Heart and soul players but others can do little with the chances he is serving up.

Schenn - pro all the time. Does what he can to break up the cycle in his zone but doesn't seem to matter as other dish the puck away. Only player that brings a consistent physical response.

Bad

Pettersson - down on his butt far too much and his shooting is atrocious. You must have him going if the team is b going to be competitive and for much of the season he not completing plays he should. Effort is there and he does some good things defensively but way too often he screws up the PP and or gets pushed out of the play

Boeser - if you can't skate, you simply can't play. Nothing he does shows any authority as he has to use whatever he's got to just to get his stick on the puck. Maxs out ability just trying to stay close to the play. Is not at present an NHL level player.

Mikhayev - flubs whatever chances he gets. Overpaid given his inability to use his stick around the net and elsewhere. Gets shoved to the perimeter way too much.

Joshua - poor skating totally limits his effectiveness. Also supposedly a physical presence but rarely shows that and leaves the part of the game up to others. The only way these low talent players survive is to start bouncing bodies and sticking up for teammates. Joshua isn't doing much of that

Bear - too weak around his net. Replacement level player and likely not as good as Burroughs. Could not make many teams in the League. Cannot be seen as a long term player for the team.

Ugly

Myers - mentally out of it. Floundering in his end as he puck watches and gets backdoored and reacts late to everything. There was a period last year where he was reading the play and moving up to be break up plays and being pro-active. This year he back on his heels and behind the play all the time. Puck movement is a problem because of his lack of anticipation and poor positioning. Having a dreadful time.

Others

Horvat - gave it a go but you can see signs he won't be able to sustain the high end play he has shown over the last while. Play was decent in this game and looked the most likely Canuck to score. However, should never be on the PK as he is too static there. Type of player that is at his best moving forwards with the puck and not trying to play from a stand still position. Results are pretty obvious as far as the success of the PK is concerned and don't understand why BB persists in using Horvat on the PK.

Miller - never know what you're going to get shift to shift. Guy is maddening the way he tosses the puck away on the PP and in his zone but will then suddenly s do something good.

Team has no choice but to play for the future. So far this management is a guilty as anyone (outside of that grossly incompetent slag Benning) for the present problems. They've added to the misery with what they have done to date and need to start showing they will take a new direction. Which means a gutting of the present team and start of complete rebuild.

 

[Vector]

I don't think OEL has been bad at all the last few games after that weird stretch at home where he was horrific for a few games.

Myers, on the other hand ...

Interesting that yet again Burroughs plays more than Schenn.

When OEL is given the right partner, he’s looked good with Bear, and Keith under 20 minutes OEL is pretty decent. Still a guy I’d much rather have as #4-5 in ice time on that list.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

We have the worst PK EVER in the NHL. Not the worst this year or the worst in the last decade.

In the history of this league we currently have the worst penalty kill ever. Nobody has been fired because of it and the same players are still on it.


Now that’s accountability.

When OEL is given the right partner, he’s looked good with Bear, and Keith under 20 minutes OEL is pretty decent. Still a guy I’d much rather have as #4-5 in ice time on that list.

A guy that makes 7 Shmill shouldn’t have to be shielded by the right partner. He should BE the guy doing the shielding.

20% of the season done.


Time flies

When you’re having fun.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

You know why’s funny ? The NHLs salary cap is the only thing that saved FA and co from likely spending another 20 mill on more garbage locked up for more years.

Thank god there is a salary cap and a maximum contract length or else we would have a locked in “core” for the next 18 years at 140 million dollars per year.

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

I remember, during the nadir of the 2020/21 COVID-shortened season, I saw a post that outraged me at the time, but that now feels as prescient as anything I've ever read on this board.

It was when someone referred to us as being like the Oilers when they struggled for a few years after their 2017 playoff berth - that we had the core in place to be strong, but we were absent some supplementary pieces.

A poster (I have no idea who) said we were naive to think that we were at the McDavid/Draisaitl point of our rebuild, and that we were more likely at the Hall/Cogliano/Paajarvi/Eberle/Gagner point.

That's always stuck with me. Turns out to be about as bang-on as anything I've seen here

when they had klefbom and nurse and mcdavid and draisaitl and rnh they were ahead of anywhere we have been since pre tortorella

 

[m9]

Schenn - 16:59
Bear - 17:42
Burroughs - 17:45
Myers - 18:08
Ekman-Larsson - 19:12
Hughes - 22:40

You aren’t going to win when the two worst guys are getting the 2nd and 3rd highest minutes.

I would have guessed OEL was the lowest - I barely noticed him. Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Kshahdoo]

At least the team sucks not because of Kuzmenko...

 

[VanJack]

There's a sad truth to this Canucks lineup.

Myers has reached a point in his career where he possesses neither the stamina nor the physical skating ability to perform in a back to backs. And OEL isn't far behind. They're going to need to think about parking these guys on back-to-backs, but I guess you're shelling out $13m in salaries, you're pretty well forced to play them.

And Boeser has lost that half-step that he simply couldn't afford to lose. Never the best skater to begin, he just doesn't have the separation speed or the physicality to get his shot off any more.

This team is on a treadmill to nowhere. Horvat will be first out the door, as early as the TDL. He'll be followed by Hughes and Pettersson when their contracts are up. The Canucks can't infill with quality players fast enough during what's left of their tenure here. And they're assuredly will want t leave and go and play for contender.

To quote to the old Fram Oil Filter Ad: "You can rebuild now, or rebuild later after wasting a couple more years.

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

There's a sad truth to this Canucks lineup.

Myers has reached a point in his career where he possesses neither the stamina nor the physical skating ability to perform in a back to backs. And OEL isn't far behind. They're going to need to think about parking these guys on back-to-backs, but I guess you're shelling out $13m in salaries, you're pretty well forced to play them.

And Boeser has lost that half-step that he simply couldn't afford to lose. Never the best skater to begin, he just doesn't have the separation speed or the physicality to get his shot off any more.

This team is on a treadmill to nowhere. Horvat will be first out the door, as early as the TDL. He'll be followed by Hughes and Pettersson when their contracts are up. The Canucks can't infill with quality players fast enough during what's left of their tenure here. And they're assuredly will want t leave and go and play for contender.

To quote to the old Fram Oil Filter Ad: "You can rebuild now, or rebuild later after wasting a couple more years.

this team has no clear path to contention

i wish i could quit it but obviously well look at me

 

[canuckking1]

It's gonna be a hard pill to slow for the fanbase but this team has been bad for 9 years and we're looking at 5-6 of rebuilding if they really wanna get back on their feat. It's time to blow this up and start from square 1.

 

[brock hughes007]

Myers is ass now, yet gets 6 million this year.
Good grief

For his play this year,,and others,,they should be paying back money to the fans who have had to watch this shit show.

 

[B-rock]

We have the worst PK EVER in the NHL. Not the worst this year or the worst in the last decade.

In the history of this league we currently have the worst penalty kill ever. Nobody has been fired because of it and the same players are still on it.


Now that’s accountability.



A guy that makes 7 Shmill shouldn’t have to be shielded by the right partner. He should BE the guy doing the shielding.



When you’re having fun.

They used to deploy a simple box on the pk but for the last couple yrs (maybe more?) they’ve been using diamond or some sort of wedge formation. But they’re absolutely terrible at it. Collapse too much, two guys on the same man at the point constantly leaving wide open lanes and shots.

If I were whoever’s running pk these days- Cull? I’d be going back to basics with the box.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

They used to deploy a simple box on the pk but for the last couple yrs (maybe more?) they’ve been using diamond or some sort of wedge formation. But they’re absolutely terrible at it. Collapse too much, two guys on the same man at the point constantly leaving wide open lanes and shots.

If I were whoever’s running pk these days- Cull? I’d be going back to basics with the box.

Think its Yeo.

I think Cull is in charge of finding seats in the press box for Rathbone and Hoglander.

 

[DFAC]

So when are we gonna start the Official Tank Thread?

 

[kanucks25]

So when are we gonna start the Official Tank Thread?

My man, you're like a month late:

2023 Tank Thread - Die Hard for Bedard

Yeah, it's early. Have you watched this team though? Do you honestly think that even if they made the playoffs, they would get out of the 1st round? This is the best draft year since 2015, and there is a lot of baggage on this team that needs to go. This team has zero impact prospects in the...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[tantalum]

Watched the highlights and on the Marchand goal I just thought “Pasternak is simply waiting for that seam to open up” Sure enough it did as Pettersson backs up a bit not trusting the d-man to take the guy in the slot away and moves his stick from the lane. To to make things worse no one really challenges the 30+ goal scorer and he’s allowed to walk right in and pick his spot. It’s pretty similar to the Suzuki goal against Montreal allowing a guy to simply walk in.

Bergeron goal no one gets in front of him or tied up his stick. Myers simply lets him be. Now this isn’t a shock they do this on the PK as it’s exactly what they do 5-on-5 as well. One of the reasons they are so awful down low.

They just do so many things wrong on the PK. And again these are fundamental things and not really system/strategy based.

 

[VanJack]

I don't think I've ever witnessed a team so inept in its own zone as this version of the Canucks. They're soft, they're slow and even when they get the puck, they panic with it.

Opposing teams cycle the puck with ease, and it usually ends in a goal or a penalty--which is the same as a goal because they have no hope of actually killing it off.

It's taken Ethan Bear about five games, and already his game has descended to the depths of almost every other d-man on this roster. It's the 'curse' of being asked to play defense for the Vancouver Canucks.

Officially, their record is worse than last year when Aquilini cleaned house. But realistically that's not an option this time around. So I guess if you're intent on following this team into the sunset, it's just more of the same.

 

[theguardianII]

When Kuzmenko was listed as not playing I immediately thought he was being traded, just to shake up the lineup. Then Podkolzin dropped the gloves, I figured maybe he is pissd, upset, unhappy pick an adjective.

Another close game, IF Demko had stopped 3 more shots, IF the Canucks had scored 4 more goals it was there for the taking! Ya Right!

All the new management and coaches (not just Bruce) have not been able to find the antidote for Benning's poison pill.

These players are playing like they want out.

The infection has spread to Hughes and Pettersson now.

Boston played a really bad game and it is still too much for this group.

Bruce is a very experienced coach with the second best regular season record in NHL history, Yeo was a head coach in the NHL and selected by the new management. These guys know hockey. If this was a team they coached for years then the refrain would be they have tuned him out referring to a good team playing badly but this has never been a good team.

When the same group goes through 4 coaches and two GM's and plays the same the writing has to be on the wall.

Boston played slow enough the Canucks had a chance but are so fragile it takes just the thought of cracking to undermine them.

Oh Well it is just one game as some posters used to post.

 

[Zippgunn]

It's taken Ethan Bear about five games, and already his game has descended to the depths of almost every other d-man on this roster. It's the 'curse' of being asked to play defense for the Vancouver Canucks.

Vancouver is the place where careers go to die...

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I learnt the easy way the best place to have life threatening collapse is in an intensive care ward. Went to my specialist over a routine check up. He took one look at me and straight to intensive care in a wheel chair. Intensive care doctor says "nope, not sick enough", mine is "yep", "definitely nope"....

Woke up 2 days later with a tube down my throat. My doctor enjoyed his bragging rights, highlight of his career. Even on a ventilator I was still in better shape than the Canucks.

Jesus - glad you were in the right place at the right time!