GDT: GM#11 LA Kings vs New York Rangers @12:30pm 10/28/18- Half Assed GDT Version!

[damacles1156]

I would argue that Carter has played maybe two good games to start the season.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Would you guys believe me if I told you that a year ago the Kings were 9-1-1 to start the season? Now they just recorded their third win of the season. What the f***?

Oh and one year ago, this magical moment happened.

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings franchise now has 3 wins in its last 16 games.

Those wins came against NHL power houses Rangers, Red Wings and Canadians.

This pretty much says it all.

 

[King'sPawn]

Would you guys believe me if I told you that a year ago the Kings were 9-1-1 to start the season? Now they just recorded their third win of the season. What the ****?

Oh and one year ago, this magical moment happened.

**** that was only a year ago? Seems so much longer

 

[KINGS17]

To be completely fair here, a huge part of Carter's demise can be attributed to the injury he suffered last year, which no one could have foreseen. It had nothing to do with age and conditioning or ability, it was just a weird occurrence. I guess proven correct is fair also, but it wasn't because of the reasoning that was being thrown around - it was because of a completely unrelated injury.

Sure it can be attributed to the injury, but what good was going to come of keeping him on the roster. The odds are not in your favor when you keep a valuable asset and put it at risk 82 times a season.

 

[KINGS17]

I just think it's poor optics when a team with a core of Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick trade quality players to get worse, especially without a quality replacement.

It's why I said a while back the infrastructure needs to be fixed. Getting younger means **** if the talent we bring in gets mismanaged.

We're heading towards Oilers territory the way things are, in my opinion. I want the Kings to set their infrastructure and development so it's closer to the Bruins, Blackhawks, or Penguins

I would agree the infrastructure is for s*** now. The only thing worth keeping is Ranford, because the Kings goalie development program has been stellar.

How long will it take AEG to fire Luc Robitaille? Who knows. I think we are about to reach the end of an era. Uncle Phil is getting up there in age. His dream of developing downtown LA has been accomplished for the most part. I won't be shocked if the Kings are sold in the not too distant future if Uncle Phil doesn't have any heirs interested in the business.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

**** that was only a year ago? Seems so much longer

And that was without Jeff Carter. It's so bizarre to me how bipolar the team was last season. Hot out of the gate and fun to watch, then at the midway point, they hit the wall and limped into the playoffs and performed like the disappointing team we've gotten used to watching all over again.

 

[lumbergh]

Most entertaining Kings game in three weeks. At this point, that’s all I’m hoping for, say every other game.

 

[riznat]

Loved that Kovalchuk shot, Brown was great too. Very underrated player in the league for what he brings off (and on) the score sheet

 

[DryIslandBartender]

I would agree the infrastructure is for s*** now. The only thing worth keeping is Ranford, because the Kings goalie development program has been stellar.

How long will it take AEG to fire Luc Robitaille? Who knows. I think we are about to reach the end of an era. Uncle Phil is getting up there in age. His dream of developing downtown LA has been accomplished for the most part. I won't be shocked if the Kings are sold in the not too distant future if Uncle Phil doesn't have any heirs interested in the business.

They were serious about selling the Kings after one of their cup runs, forget which one but I know they’ve tested the waters a couple times on selling several of their teams to get more capital for an NFL franchise.

It could still happen, two NFL franchises are probably going to be put up for sale at some point in the near future.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Was feeling all good down 2-0, what the hell Rangers?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Would you guys believe me if I told you that a year ago the Kings were 9-1-1 to start the season? Now they just recorded their third win of the season. What the ****?

Oh and one year ago, this magical moment happened.

Might be the last time anyone has seen Toffoli.

 

[deaderhead28]

Sad to hear the Kings won,Steven's needs to go.Its sucks,to late to get a refund for Center Ice.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Martinez with the end-to-end rush reminded me of Robert Lang's first career goal against the Rangers.


Of course, in typical Kings fashion back then, Lang would rise to stardom after leaving the Kings.

 

[johnjm22]

To be completely fair here, a huge part of Carter's demise can be attributed to the injury he suffered last year...
It had nothing to do with age ...
it wasn't because of the reasoning that was being thrown around - it was because of a completely unrelated injury.

You're speculating.

If what you're saying here is true, then why Did Carter perform so well after coming back from injury last season? (13g 6a 19pts in 21 games)

Even if it were true that his injury is the issue, then how do you think this injury would have effected him if he was 26 years old? Probably not as much, so age is still part of the issue.

Last year only two players in the entire NHL aged 34+ scored over 20 goals. Carter turns 34 this season.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Martinez with the end-to-end rush reminded me of Robert Lang's first career goal against the Rangers.


Of course, in typical Kings fashion back then, Lang would rise to stardom after leaving the Kings.

That Bure goal doesn't happen today because of that blatant pick. Hell of a goal, but damn.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That Bure goal doesn't happen today because of that blatant pick. Hell of a goal, but damn.

The clutching and grabbing and interference then was so bad, and the refs would just swallow their whistles. It's a wonder how high scoring was back then. Though all the clutching would catch up and slow the game to a halt by the mid-late 90s when offense started to dry up.

 

[johnjm22]

It should be pointed out that Carter is still on pace for 41 points which isn't terrible.

If he gets going he could easily still end up with 50+ points. Sometimes older players take longer to get going and start off the season slow. We saw it many times from Iginla through out his career.

No matter what Carter does this season, it doesn't justify not trading and waiting for his value to decline.

 

[KingsFan7824]

It should be pointed out that Carter is still on pace for 41 points which isn't terrible.

If he gets going he could easily still end up with 50+ points. Sometimes older players take longer to get going and start off the season slow. We saw it many times from Iginla through out his career.

No matter what Carter does this season, it doesn't justify not trading him when his value was high.

How many examples like that are there though? No, the Kings shouldn't not do something just because most other teams don't do that thing, but how many other examples are there? How many GM's have been that smart? Plus, if it's known that older players tend to have their production decrease as they get older, sometimes even dropping off a cliff in any given year, why would someone want an older Carter, even 2 years ago when he was 31, when he's signed until 2022? We don't know what his value was or wasn't. By assuming he had value, we get angry at Lombardi and Blake. Maybe he didn't have a lot of value 2 years ago. He had a good individual year 2 years ago, but he hasn't had that kind of play since for one reason or another. Maybe other GM's didn't think they could trust him to have another 60+ point season for whatever reason.

We rip Lombardi and Blake for being dumb GM's, but then expect other GM's to be dumb. Maybe other GM's are dumb, but then why do we expect Lombardi or Blake to be smart? Somehow the Kings are supposed to be an exception of some kind. The Canucks traded Kesler as they exited their contender days, but he had 2 years left when they did, and then the Ducks gave him the dumb extension. Carter's contract at 27 was great. At 30, 31, 32, he's still signed for 4, 5, 6 more seasons. In a hard cap world, that's a lot. As is sometimes said, term is usually more important than cap hit. The older the player, the less years you want locked in when you get him. It's possible Carter didn't have the value we think he had. Then again, maybe he did, and whoever was running the Kings when he did missed a window.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

How many examples like that are there though? No, the Kings shouldn't not do something just because most other teams don't do that thing, but how many other examples are there? How many GM's have been that smart? Plus, if it's known that older players tend to have their production decrease as they get older, sometimes even dropping off a cliff in any given year, why would someone want an older Carter, even 2 years ago when he was 31, when he's signed until 2022? We don't know what his value was or wasn't. By assuming he had value, we get angry at Lombardi and Blake. Maybe he didn't have a lot of value 2 years ago. He had a good individual year 2 years ago, but he hasn't had that kind of play since for one reason or another. Maybe other GM's didn't think they could trust him to have another 60+ point season for whatever reason.

We rip Lombardi and Blake for being dumb GM's, but then expect other GM's to be dumb. Maybe other GM's are dumb, but then why do we expect Lombardi or Blake to be smart? Somehow the Kings are supposed to be an exception of some kind. The Canucks traded Kesler as they exited their contender days, but he had 2 years left when they did, and then the Ducks gave him the dumb extension. Carter's contract at 27 was great. At 30, 31, 32, he's still signed for 4, 5, 6 more seasons. In a hard cap world, that's a lot. As is sometimes said, term is usually more important than cap hit. The older the player, the less years you want locked in when you get him. It's possible Carter didn't have the value we think he had. Then again, maybe he did, and whoever was running the Kings when he did missed a window.

Simple answer?

Because message board fans know what's going on behind the scenes, and are always smarter than guys in the front office. And on the bench, and scouting etc

 

[Kingspiracy]

It should be pointed out that Carter is still on pace for 41 points which isn't terrible.

If he gets going he could easily still end up with 50+ points. Sometimes older players take longer to get going and start off the season slow. We saw it many times from Iginla through out his career.

No matter what Carter does this season, it doesn't justify not trading and waiting for his value to decline.

I don't know man, trading Carter two years (or whenever) back would have been a real kick to the nuts of the team. We go on about losing the leadership of guys like Richards, Stoll, Mitchell etc, Carter is another leader and we had already lost a lot of leadership.

When do you trade a top talent like Carter, when he's 25, 26, 27, 28? Other Gms are wary of ponying up for older guys in trades also, who is to say we had been offered anything decent for him. What is the selling point on Carter? If you are only being offered a late first and a meh prospect, do you bite?

I'm all for listening to trades for guys that have been super-ceded, but would we want to rely on Kempe to continue holding the 2c role?

The killer move in hindsight (although I liked the trade) and a lot called it at the time was the Lucic one. That 13 or whatever pick was our 2c (assuming we didn't draft a Pejorative Slur dman). Then we could have traded Carter with a nice new 2c waiting in the wings.

 

[BigKing]

At least they won with the $40 off site parking due to the nerds at comic con.

 

[KINGS17]

I don't know man, trading Carter two years (or whenever) back would have been a real kick to the nuts of the team. We go on about losing the leadership of guys like Richards, Stoll, Mitchell etc, Carter is another leader and we had already lost a lot of leadership.

When do you trade a top talent like Carter, when he's 25, 26, 27, 28? Other Gms are wary of ponying up for older guys in trades also, who is to say we had been offered anything decent for him. What is the selling point on Carter? If you are only being offered a late first and a meh prospect, do you bite?

I'm all for listening to trades for guys that have been super-ceded, but would we want to rely on Kempe to continue holding the 2c role?

The killer move in hindsight (although I liked the trade) and a lot called it at the time was the Lucic one. That 13 or whatever pick was our 2c (assuming we didn't draft a ****** dman). Then we could have traded Carter with a nice new 2c waiting in the wings.

Sorry, the "leadership" on this team deserves a kick in the nuts. Who cares who is holding down the 2C role at that point.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Sorry, the "leadership" on this team deserves a kick in the nuts. Who cares who is holding down the 2C role at that point.

I'm not saying the leadership of this group is the dogs nuts, but when you have already lost a lot of core leadership it doesn't always make sense to trade the leadership that you have left. If you move out most of your proven leadership group you lose the culture / work ethic etc, then you nudge into the edmonton model, with a bunch of high pick kids that rule the roost and the team still sux.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm not saying the leadership of this group is the dogs nuts, but when you have already lost a lot of core leadership it doesn't always make sense to trade the leadership that you have left. If you move out most of your proven leadership group you lose the culture / work ethic etc, then you nudge into the edmonton model, with a bunch of high pick kids that rule the roost and the team still sux.

I never said trade them all. The Kings are now stuck with Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty. It's questionable if two of those three are leaders. You can always keep Lewis who is a player who seems to have a good work ethic the young guys can follow. Brown works hard as well. After that I really don't give a flying fig who goes via trade. With Quick, I don't question his commitment, but it's time to trade him once he gets healthy to get out from under his contract and to let Petersen take over.

Edmonton had no patience and should have let some of their kids kick some ass in the AHL. They would have been better for it.