Confirmed with Link: Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubtsov, 2024 5th traded to Florida for 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, Owen Tippett

[GKJ]

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[Magua]

Best case to me is Tippett is the type of guy who squeaks out a few middle 6-productive box score seasons on a mediocre team. Because he does have physical tools. But probably with little consistency about his production long-term, and probably with less than rosy underlying numbers. If you give a somewhat talented player a consistent top 6-9 role and PP time with good players, logic simply dictates they will produce something. The question if that something is actually a net positive. I'm skeptical -- simply watched too much of him to be wowed by him hitting some posts for the first time. I know Chuck Fletcher gets off to guys ripping pucks.

My crystal ball tells me his future scoring role usage likely could just be replaced by someone more impactful (Brink, Allison, an unknown).......but won't be replaced by someone more impactful. The Flyers will double down and write his usage in stone to self-justify, as they always do. They didn't take him as a buy low gamble; they took a flawed player, who hasn't settled in the NHL, to be part of their young core. Spin it how you want, but the usage he will be gifted is pricey.

 

[deadhead]

How many people are confident Frost will be a top 6 guy? He has that potential, but that is a high bar for any young player to clear. To me, nothing Tippett does looks easy. His hands aren't very soft. He has no touch on his passes. They are often a tick late and/or in a tough spot for his teammate to handle. Nothing about his passing is natural. That's kind of a non-negotiable for a top 6 player. Yeah he ripped a puck off the post last night, but it was from a relatively poor angle/distance and he didn't even sell the pass for a split second. There was no doubt he was shooting that puck.

I don't think you can say the same about Frost. There have been times this year where he doesn't look sure of himself, no doubt, and he's been inconsistent, but I think given how he has looked at other levels in the past, this is a case of adjusting to the highest level of hockey (on a bad team).

Tippet didn't miss all of last season and has ~40 more NHL games under his belt.

I saw Tippett make two sweet passes his first game as a Flyer, no, he's not going to be Jake, but he can actually shoot the puck, has two posts in three games, if TK did that, you'd call it 'bad luck.' He's got a quick release on his wrist shot, his accuracy is on and off, but you can say the exact same thing about TK.

Right now he's driving the Frost line with his speed and hustle, especially on the forecheck. If Frost can't produce with Lindblom and Tippett as his wings, we have a problem.

I withhold judgment on both Tippett and Frost right now, both have potential, both have struggled, both are unproven.
But teams that need to find talent have to be patient with players like these two.

 

[Striiker]

Best case to me is Tippett is the type of guy who squeaks out a few middle 6-productive box score seasons on a mediocre team. Because he does have physical tools. But probably with little consistency about his production long-term, and probably with less than rosy underlying numbers. If you give a somewhat talented player a consistent top 6-9 role and PP time with good players, logic simply dictates they will produce something. The question if that something is actually a net positive. I'm skeptical -- simply watched too much of him to be wowed by him hitting some posts for the first time. I know Chuck Fletcher gets off to guys ripping pucks.

My crystal ball tells me his future scoring role usage likely could just be replaced by someone more impactful (Brink, Allison, an unknown).......but won't be replaced by someone more impactful. The Flyers will double down and write his usage in stone to self-justify, as they always do. They didn't take him as a buy low gamble; they took a flawed player, who hasn't settled in the NHL, to be part of their young core. Spin it how you want, but the usage he will be gifted is pricey.

It’s nice that Laughton arguments can just be copy pasted.

Saves time.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

It’s nice that Laughton arguments can just be copy pasted.

Saves time.

laughton wasnt aquired in a trade! More like Ristolainen getting PP Time since it was clear they will re-sign him! Cause now they must show how good the player RLY is and why they pay him 5.x ......!!!

 

[Rebels57]

All goes back to the fact that Merit is a non-existent concept within the walls of the Wells

 

[FLYguy3911]

Zito wins a Cup and Chuck's 1st rounder two years down the road is 32nd overall. You just have to laugh.

 

[DancingPanther]

Zito wins a Cup and Chuck's 1st rounder two years down the road is 32nd overall. You just have to laugh.

The app never lies!!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Zito wins a Cup and Chuck's 1st rounder two years down the road is 32nd overall. You just have to laugh.

The funniest part of this to me is all the talk about how you have to pay through the nose for vet Defensemen justifying four major trades here and the guy they could have hired built an entire Cup winning corps out of Ekblad's corpse and odds and ends you could find in a bird's nest.

 

[sauce88]

The funniest part of this to me is all the talk about how you have to pay through the nose for vet Defensemen justifying four major trades here and the guy they could have hired built an entire Cup winning corps out of Ekblad's corpse and odds and ends you could find in a bird's nest.

I feel like this is the one major league still able to be picked apart by a progressive GM just dumpster diving for net positive players because they don't fall within some dino archetype some of these GMs still abide by.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I mean, Stanley Cup, Shmanley Cup. They're basically still the same.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Deadhead had that thing earmarked for a lottery pick a few years ago.

 

[Magua]

Samoskevich on his ELC, after tearing up the AHL, will be vital for Florida keeping the window open.

Deadhead had that thing earmarked for a lottery pick a few years ago.

Few years ago? This was from right before this season:

“80-85 points, pick 10th and 16th as Florida just misses the playoffs."

Prescient.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Zito wins a Cup and Chuck's 1st rounder two years down the road is 32nd overall. You just have to laugh.

Chuck Fletcher, Joe Sakic, and Bill Zito.

They’re all the same.

 

[Magua]

Zito wins a Cup and Chuck's 1st rounder two years down the road is 32nd overall. You just have to laugh.

I can’t wait to hear what Chuckles thinks……this Friday on Sportsnet.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I can’t wait to hear what Chuckles thinks……this Friday on Sportsnet.

Sneak peak

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

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There's been a lot of gifs posted on this site over the years, both original and retreads. This may be my favorite.

 

[renberg]

Chuck Fletcher, Joe Sakic, and Bill Zito.

They’re all the same.

Harry Dalton of the Brewers tried to talk Zito into being a baseball scout for them years ago after he failed as a baseball player. Zito had been a bat boy for Milwaukee at one time. Zito liked hockey more than baseball. Good career choice.

He was a bat boy for the 1982 Milwaukee Brewers, and he just led the Florida Panthers to the Stanley Cup

Long before he was president of hockey operations and leading the Florida Panthers to the Stanley Cup, Bill Zito was a bat boy for the 1982 Brewers.

www.jsonline.com

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Sneak peak

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16 of them were to Holmgren and Clarke

 

[Tripod]

Tippett, Barkey AND the last pick in the 1st rd this year.

Can't wait to hear Chuck talk this up in a few days.

 

[Larry44]

Tippett, Barkey AND the last pick in the 1st rd this year.

Can't wait to hear Chuck talk this up in a few days.

Oh please, let's not have ChucklesTheSadClown on the the Sportsnet broadcast of the draft again.

 

[Curufinwe]

Roenick getting in the HoF is good news for Giroux's eventual chances. They should have similar point totals if G plays another 2-3 seasons at a high level.

 

[Appleyard]

Roenick getting in the HoF is good news for Giroux's eventual chances. They should have similar point totals if G plays another 2-3 seasons at a high level.

Giroux should already be a lock... only reason he is not is the crazy low scoring era across his prime. Vs 5 guys from the era before who all got in.

Hart voting:
Giroux: 3, 4, 4
Sundin: 8
Modano: 7, 7, 10
Roenick: 5, 10
Turgeon: 5
Nieuwendyk: N/A

Point finishes:
Giroux: 2, 3, 3, 10
Sundin: 4, 7
Modano: 8, 9, 10
Roenick: 5, 7
Turgeon: 5, 7
Nieuwendyk: N/A

P/GP finishes:
Giroux: 2, 6, 7
Sundin: 10
Modano: 4
Roenick: 10, 10
Turgeon: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9
Roenick: 5, 10
Nieuwendyk: N/A