Confirmed with Link: Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubtsov, 2024 5th traded to Florida for 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, Owen Tippett

[GKJ]

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[kudymen]

Oooooh we got a better Allison and a pick in three years for Giroux! Yipeee

 

[Rebels57]

They’re flying by the seat of their pants. They don’t have a coherent/sensible plan. They basically decided to re-sign Ristolainen based off of the Washington game. In doing so they dug themselves even further into cap trouble for this summer. Not to mention they somehow think they can turn this thing around this summer despite their lack of resources & a roster that just got noticeably worse without Giroux here.

Like, there are very few positions on the roster they are in good shape in. They have a #1 goalie and they have depth on RW. Thats it. They very last thing they needed was a Bottom 6 RW. Yet here we are. Its incredible. We are living through managerial incompetence not see in the NHL since the days of Milbury.

 

[Rebels57]

Oooooh we got a better Allison and a pick in three years for Giroux! Yipeee

Allison is better than Tippett lol

Health is the only concern there.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

This sport needs a massive exorcism.

 

[Lindberg]

We have no idea where Zito got his information, it may not even be leaks, it may simply be his contacts around the league telling him that the Flyers didn't accept offers he knew were better than what he was willing to give. And he could have garnered that from the internet as well. And putting 2 and 2 together.

Or Zito had other options and simply gave Fletcher a "take it or leave it" offer, figuring if Fletcher rejected he'd go elsewhere, and if Fletcher started negotiating, G had tied his hands.

Then walk. It's pretty simple.

Some people have this notion of "take what you can get" but that's also the same strategy of "well i paid for a player so I must re-sign him". Terrible strategy.

Giroux at 50% off is/was the best player available at the deadline.

Fletcher is known to be a guy who is transparent which is the exact opposite of how you need to operate a deal like this. Players/Agents know they can walk all over Fletcher.

So now you're a guy who is saying "he could have garnered all that from the internet" when you've been beating the drum of "we don't know what's been said/done behind closed doors" forever?

 

[Flyerfan18]

G using his influence in Florida already. That was quick

 

[Lindberg]

They’re flying by the seat of their pants. They don’t have a coherent/sensible plan. They basically decided to re-sign Ristolainen based off of the Washington game. In doing so they dug themselves even further into cap trouble for this summer. Not to mention they somehow think they can turn this thing around this summer despite their lack of resources & a roster that just got noticeably worse without Giroux here.

We’re back to the robbing Peter to pay Paul days of Flyers management. Where every decision is made in the moment. We’ll deal with ever likely fallout later instead of trying to mitigate that in the now.

They really double downed on the ideology of Ristolanien was playing in Buffalo so you can't make decisions based on that.

They got the opportunity of seeing him play in Philadelphia for an extended period of time and based on a singular game made their decision. Makes you wonder how many times upper management makes decisions based on a particular play or a particular series of events.

We know for certain that one thing is true, this organization doesn't care about analytics when it comes to making decisions.

Did someone ask any questions about what analytics said in regards to Giroux?

 

[deadhead]

I will say I don't get this whole "he's earned this right" thing. The dude got paid. The organization also had the right to not trade. Clearly Fletcher valued enough of that distant 1st (that player is likely bare minimum 4 years away) and Owen Tippett to make the trade. From all accounts Owen Tippett is essentially worthless. Seems they could have taken a pick instead or a younger player with a lower draft pedigree.

The key difference here between Tippett and Frost? Frost is an already sunken cost.

This is just another feather in the cap that illustrates Fletcher's incompetence.

"From all accounts Owen Tippett is essentially worthless."

Whose accounts? Wheeler had him as the 3rd best Florida prospect in 2020, when he ranked their farm system as #9 in the league.
NHL: 87g 11-18 29 at ES at age 21-22.
Playoffs, 6g 1-3 4, 7th in forward ES minutes He regressed this season, but that's not unusual with young players.
He's a year YOUNGER than Allison.

Not saying he's a lock for the top 6, but he's a NHL caliber forward with upside. Maybe an overdraft at #10, but as good a prospect as Frost at #27.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

They really double downed on the ideology of Ristolanien was playing in Buffalo so you can't make decisions based on that.

They got the opportunity of seeing him play in Philadelphia for an extended period of time and based on a singular game made their decision. Makes you wonder how many times upper management makes decisions based on a particular play or a particular series of events.

We know for certain that one thing is true, this organization doesn't care about analytics when it comes to making decisions.

Did someone ask any questions about what analytics said in regards to Giroux?

I think it was far less based on that one game and much more about Chuck covering his ass after moving all that real estate to get him in the first place. Which is just as bad, if not worse.

 

[Lindberg]

"From all accounts Owen Tippett is essentially worthless."

Whose accounts? Wheeler had him as the 3rd best Florida prospect in 2020, when he ranked their farm system as #9 in the league.
NHL: 87g 11-18 29 at ES at age 21-22.
Playoffs, 6g 1-3 4, 7th in forward ES minutes He regressed this season, but that's not unusual with young players.
He's a year YOUNGER than Allison.

Not saying he's a lock for the top 6, but he's a NHL caliber forward with upside. Maybe an overdraft at #10, but as good a prospect as Frost at #27.

What year is it? 2020 was a long time ago bud.

Are you suffering from early on set dementia? It's 2022. That's 2020 plus 2 years.

 

[renberg]

The best move for the Flyers was to be able to announce that they had Giroux signed to an extension when Couturier got his. For whatever reason, that didn't happen.
Most likely the Flyers and G were far apart on what an extension should be. Probably Fletcher told Giroux to go to the market as a FA and see what he could get then bring it back to Philly. If it was reasonable, they'd match it.
IDK what a reasonable contract for G at this time would be. $5MX3? I'd rather see the club do a deal such as that than go goofy on a Hayes type one for Gaudreau. I don't think that Giroux's career here is over.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I find it amusing that Tippet is useless and Frost is gold with many here. Tippet has been better at the NHL level but he’s worthless. Frost has done nothing at the NHL level but he’s the future…lol.

 

[Tarpongg]

Guys, don’t worry about the 2024 first round pick. I just heard myrtman on the radio, who said people concerned that the pick is far in the future should NOT be worried, as he expects that pick to be used as “organizational currency” for other moves.

After all, why would a bottom feeding cellar dweller, who should be blowing up and starting over, use draft picks??

 

[Beef Invictus]

"From all accounts Owen Tippett is essentially worthless."

Whose accounts? Wheeler had him as the 3rd best Florida prospect in 2020, when he ranked their farm system as #9 in the league.
NHL: 87g 11-18 29 at ES at age 21-22.
Playoffs, 6g 1-3 4, 7th in forward ES minutes He regressed this season, but that's not unusual with young players.
He's a year YOUNGER than Allison.

Not saying he's a lock for the top 6, but he's a NHL caliber forward with upside. Maybe an overdraft at #10, but as good a prospect as Frost at #27.

It's funny that you spend so much time talking about how current evaluations and performance are most important, now you're freely diving back to 2020.

 

[flyerslducks]

If Giroux somehow comes back through all this, signs a bargain-bin contract, then he needs a statue.

That's just an unreal amount of loyalty.

Only way that happens is of fletcher is gone. Can’t wait until voracek and others spill the beans on this current management when they retire.

 

[flyerslducks]

Like, there are very few positions on the roster they are in good shape in. They have a #1 goalie and they have depth on RW. Thats it. They very last thing they needed was a Bottom 6 RW. Yet here we are. Its incredible. We are living through managerial incompetence not see in the NHL since the days of Milbury.

I’m so surprised that hart hasn’t imploded yet. Dude has been a stud this year considering the garbage in front of him. He was so awful last year and came back strong this year, showing his mental strength/potential, especially in a hard goalie area. We better not f*** him up too

 

[flyerslducks]

Bruh the f***ing fact that we can POTENTIALLY get a 2025 first is even more disgusting hahahaa. Like you can’t even negotiate that being off the table when you are trading the bets flyer in years, our captain, and the bets player at the deadline? How stupid can you be hahahahahaahaha

 

[deadhead]

Guys, don’t worry about the 2024 first round pick. I just heard myrtman on the radio, who said people concerned that the pick is far in the future should NOT be worried, as he expects that pick to be used as “organizational currency” for other moves.

After all, why would a bottom feeding cellar dweller, who should be blowing up and starting over, use draft picks??

Florida built its team around trading 1st and 2nd rd picks for players 25 and under like Reinhart and Bennett.

 

[cheesesteak]

Fletcher sucks but he already should have been fired. He should have never been allowed to extend Risto or orchestrate the Giroux trade. His only option should have been to hire a coach that turned this season around, and he should have been fired after that didn’t happen.

This organization needs to be cleaned out from top to bottom. Bring in modern and smart hockey minds that don’t have any connection to this franchise.

 

[Flyrs21]

So we should not believe the ASF story, but believe Fletcher saying there were no other offers when multiple national writers say the AVS and Bruins gave offers and in the end the AVS probably had the best offer..... Got it

 

[flyerslducks]

Florida built its team around trading 1st and 2nd rd picks for players 25 and under like Reinhart and Bennett.

Florida was an up and coming team that gave Tampa fits.

We could’ve done the same thing after our "promising’ playoff run but we decided to get risto. reinhart and Bennett vs risto. Ya fletcher is an idiot all right

 

[flyerslducks]

Lmaooooooooo

 

[flyerslducks]

Lmao these are too good

 

[Bigkarl]

I haven’t read through the whole thread, so let me take a guess:

98% of the board still think Cuck is a joke.
1 board contrarian and 1 troll still think Cuck is infallible.

Am I close?

 

[Flyerfan18]

Again, how did the other team ever know anything? And why would G's agent leak anyyhing.

The answer is obvious if you just open your eyes. But you refuse to see it because that would involve agreeing with the masses. And that goes against what you do.

Why would I follow the masses?? It usually involves following people who don’t have the ability to think for themselves.