Confirmed with Link: Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubtsov, 2024 5th traded to Florida for 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, Owen Tippett

[GKJ]

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[trostol]

 

[Lindberg]

Re-listening to parts, ASF makes it sound like (to me) that it was basically Briere's job as the assistant to the regional manager, to get Giroux to open up to more teams. He said he's told Giroux is a guy who is set in his ways once he has it mind set on something.

Why would they not want him back, I think it's simple even if it's stupid, the room ran it's course with him and have turned over the leadership. Fletcher sent away all of his friends, and a new group of friends who are each other's friends are here. That's what's always happened here.

Anyways, feel free to find more ways to turn more visceral to the franchise.

Kevin Hayes future "Captain".

Man f*** this franchise.

 

[DancingPanther]

What I now understand in my blazed clarity is I cried tears of grief during Giroux's last game and Brown's deployment during the last shift. This team has destroyed everything. From 100 to 0. They've lost me as a fan and the Giroux trade severed the final tie. I grieve what this team meant to me. I grieve for the poor treatment my favorite hockey player received. I grieve such a big part of my life is gone now. I grieve for the Flyers. The team that Fletcher and Clark run isn't the Flyers, it's orange team. And that realization has viscerally and truly set in with the bubble of apathy popped by the Giroux trade.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Then no f***ing trade

 

[Magua]

If the Flyers want to pretend they're going to make the playoffs over the next 2-3 seasons, and Giroux wants to come back, then that's his decision to rot here. I don't want him to, but he's earned that much. It's not like it changes anything.

To pretend you're competing and not want to bring back the willing captain and most talented player (still) at a discount is.......a choice. A choice by a confederacy of dunces.

Why would they not want him back, I think it's simple even if it's stupid, the room ran it's course with him and have turned over the leadership. Fletcher sent away all of his friends, and a new group of friends who are each other's friends are here. That's what's always happened here.

That would be an omega level oof. Like the most embarrassing thing maybe in organizational history. I'm cringing.

 

[Lemonlimey]

Honestly, the return is such shit that Fletcher should have called G's bluff that he'd only waive to Florida. Forced G's hand, and he'd likely waive to Colorado or elsewhere. At least make G sweat until the actual deadline. But Fletcher is an inept p***y.

whatever on earth went down behind the scenes, will be interesting to someday discover. Sakic woulda payed essentially double value happily. He won’t be taking any calls from Fletcher again, feeling his team was linked all year to a superstar solely for leverage against Florida…well look how that turned out. Not that Fletcher will have another GM job after this anyway.

 

[deadhead]

After ASF's hot takes, I'll wait for the post-mortem from someone with credibility.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

 

[dragonoffrost]

After ASF's hot takes, I'll wait for the post-mortem from someone with credibility.

Why because our Bozo the Clown GM couldn't possibly have taken a huge load from another GM to the face again????

 

[deadhead]

Why because our Bozo the Clown GM couldn't possibly have taken a huge load from another GM to the face again????

No, because ASF isn't exactly the most credible source out there.

 

[GKJ]

whatever on earth went down behind the scenes, will be interesting to someday discover. Sakic woulda payed essentially double value happily. He won’t be taking any calls from Fletcher again, feeling his team was linked all year to a superstar solely for leverage against Florida…well look how that turned out. Not that Fletcher will have another GM job after this anyway.

Fletcher's reputation around the league is that he's pretty honest and transparent, I doubt that will hurt him in that regard.

 

[Flyerfan18]

whatever on earth went down behind the scenes, will be interesting to someday discover. Sakic woulda payed essentially double value happily. He won’t be taking any calls from Fletcher again, feeling his team was linked all year to a superstar solely for leverage against Florida…well look how that turned out. Not that Fletcher will have another GM job after this anyway.

Don’t think Colorado were ever that interested. Coop is the guy they want. Now they just have to get him

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

I am not siding with Fletcher but for many years on here weren't people sick and criticizing management of bringing back old ex-Flyers to the club to play out their last days in a "country club" atmosphere?

Seems to me, Fletcher (although a moron) is in a no-win scenario on all fronts...

 

[Tripod]

Kevin Hayes & his fantastic friends are going to do a great job of leading this franchise to top ten selections for the foreseeable future.

Too bad we won't own most of them

 

[dragonoffrost]

Fletcher's reputation around the league is that he's pretty honest and transparent, I doubt that will hurt him in that regard.

So transparent that he got royally screwed in a trade that was easier to work with the parameters than probably any other move he had to make.

Yes if reports are true it was only Florida then you still have to hold them to the fire for their cap situation. Not just take what they offer.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I wish that and Charlie could see my tweets.

 

[Striiker]

I am not siding with Fletcher but for many years on here weren't people sick and criticizing management of bringing back old ex-Flyers to the club to play out their last days in a "country club" atmosphere?

Seems to me, Fletcher (although a moron) is in a no-win scenario on all fronts...

Except that doesn’t apply to the guy who is currently your best player, by a large margin, and who you have nothing even close to a replacement for on this skill deprived team.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I am not siding with Fletcher but for many years on here weren't people sick and criticizing management of bringing back old ex-Flyers to the club to play out their last days in a "country club" atmosphere?

Seems to me, Fletcher (although a moron) is in a no-win scenario on all fronts...

I mean I didn’t want him back because I want the team to flame out in hopes of getting high picks & hopefully getting rid of people in the front office. The guy deserves to play for a winning franchise too which isn’t going to be here any time soon.

But Giroux is still a first line caliber player. That’s a lot different than say like when they brought Simon Gagne’s corpse back for a second time.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I am not siding with Fletcher but for many years on here weren't people sick and criticizing management of bringing back old ex-Flyers to the club to play out their last days in a "country club" atmosphere?

Seems to me, Fletcher (although a moron) is in a no-win scenario on all fronts...

G isn't a washed up played by any means. If the deal is trash Fletcher had to reject it... It's two days before the deadline.

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher's reputation around the league is that he's pretty honest and transparent, I doubt that will hurt him in that regard.

In fact, that's probably how Zito knew, because only a slime ball would lead on Sakic or another GM, have them lose out on other potential trades, just to pressure Zito.
Do that once or twice and your phone will stop ringing.

 

[PALE PWNR]

If Chuck Fletcher actually would not commit to Giroux that he would resign him for next season. I can't even speak. I'm dead inside. If that's true, oh my God. How can you say you want to compete next season, which is utterly ridiculous as is, but he says it, and not commit to bringing back your 16 year captain that leads your team in points season after season. Contributes everything to your organization. I am beyond words. I'm infuriated. I went to the game Thursday knowing it was the end of his tenure for now. But knew he didn't want to leave but would do it for what's best for the organization and would likely come back in the summer. Chuck not committing to him is blasphemous. It's lunacy. It's betrayal. It's incompetence. It's f***ing unbelievable.

 

[BiggE]

That shill can f*** off too

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No, because ASF isn't exactly the most credible source out there.

Or is it because it goes against your narrative so you’re opening up the playbook of discrediting the source?

Tale as old as time. Song as old as rhyme. Deady and The Beast.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How would one know that for certain unless Chuck willingly said it during negotiations?

That is very certainly a likelihood knowing how loved around the league Chuck is.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

ASF on Snow the Goalie podcast: Giroux was willing to open up to more teams if Fletcher was willing to guarantee that he would bring him back. When that was not promised, Giroux was not willing to open up to more teams. Briere was involved in this somehow.

Currently listening at 1.25x speed, so I may update this, or just keep posting

ASF: Inside the organization, the feeling is that the trade is not great but acceptable. ASF says Zito felt he knew he was the only guy in and wanted to make what was a fair deal.

This one is going to be the killer:

ASF: "broken relationship" between Fletcher and Giroux. Doesn't think Giroux will come back while Fletcher is here, and Fletcher isn't going to look to re-sign him. He thinks that if Giroux would've taken a hometown discount to come back ($4-4.5M), it would've happened earlier in the season, but now that is "zero"

If true these are the most damning statements I can think of. If this doesn't get Chuck fired nothing will kill this cockroach.

It all makes the 1000th game ceremonies ring so hallow now. Like hey thanks for achieving something only 1 other player has done for us. Now on out the door with you cause we are "trying" to win. Good god