Friedman: Gibson is interested in Carolina or Edmonton

[Rubi]

And what I’m saying is that not all goalies are built the same.

I don’t think John Gibson has been in that class for quite some time

He certainly is this year. Not sure how anyone could honestly argue he isn't after taking a look a his stats this year.

And if the Oilers are trying to win the Cup this year isn't that all that really matters? Gibson is the best available goalie that gives the Oilers their best chance at winning the Cup in 2025. How can you argue otherwise?

Now all that has to be determined is the payment. How much is a legitimate shot at winning the cup this year worth to you? Oilers with Gibson in 2025 are better than they are without him. One could even say they would be the leading cup contender.

Bowman is a fool if he doesn't do what it takes to get a deal done... and it sounds like Verbeek wants Stu Skinner + a top prospect to make it happen.

 

[SwedishFire]

How to solve it with that contract?
Skinner has to go the other way, thats a certain. But Gibson holds s spicey pricetag. Doubt Kane goes the other way round.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

How to solve it with that contract?
Skinner has to go the other way, thats a certain. But Gibson holds s spicey pricetag. Doubt Kane goes the other way round.

Well Anaheim prob doesn’t mind taking back a goalie stop gap, we don’t have anyone in the system ready to jump up to big club so skinner is fine. That solves our back up goalie situation for next year too.

Then doesn’t just retention get it across the line?

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Gotta be honest, I debated removing the comma, then putting a comma after every other word.

I kind of expected the latter.

 

[Hierso]

It feels like any duck fan probably would hate the return at this point.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

It feels like any duck fan probably would hate the return at this point.

Based on any info we have, I'd say it's more likely we continue to just not have a trade. There is absolutely nothing holding the Ducks hand to the fire here, it's weird to assume they'll suddenly get desperate and hand him over for a crap return

 

[Mr Positive]

And what I’m saying is that not all goalies are built the same.

I don’t think John Gibson has been in that class for quite some time.



Yeah thanks,

Again, I don’t think John Gibson has aged like fine wine.



Been here longer than you pal. My post has nothing to do with skinner. I don’t think he’s the answer, just like I don’t think Gibson is either.

What i don't like about Gibson is the term. A team like the Oilers should be doing what Colorado did. If you don't have a clear #1 you should be trying things until you do.

Gibson has good stats on a bad team and he would like to come here. So, that checks some boxes. But, there are red flags with him too. I wish he were impending UFA so we could try him out first. Even with retention, that's a lot of cap commitment and we aren't doing our jobs if we aren't planning for the possible negative outcome.

If there is a plan to deal with that outcome then I'm all for trying Gibson. I don't see having the full cap hit as fitting that plan

 

[seafoam]

To live in? Or…

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

It feels like any duck fan probably would hate the return at this point.

I’m fine with most of the returns that have been discussed.

I think we lose a Gibson trade , in most scenarios…. But I think the team owes it to Gibson to trade him to a contender

He’s played himself into a posistion where we can get value on him…. Which is more than I could say last year

 

[Captain Controversy]

According to David Pagnotta, Verbeek's asking price is Stu Skinner and a top level prospect.
I can only assume the prospect is Matt Savoie or Sam O'Reilly. So I guess thst kind of translates out to Skinner + a 1st. I don't know about the 50% retention. Anaheim can certainly afford it.

NHL insider confirms asking price for Oilers to acquire John Gibson in trade

The Oilers have been linked to John Gibson in trade rumours this season, and now one NHL insider has confirmed what it would probably cost Edmonton to acquire him in a trade.

www.yardbarker.com

The only way the oilers should do that is if strome comes with Gibson and is retained as well.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

What i don't like about Gibson is the term. A team like the Oilers should be doing what Colorado did. If you don't have a clear #1 you should be trying things until you do.

Gibson has good stats on a bad team and he would like to come here. So, that checks some boxes. But, there are red flags with him too. I wish he were impending UFA so we could try him out first. Even with retention, that's a lot of cap commitment and we aren't doing our jobs if we aren't planning for the possible negative outcome.

If there is a plan to deal with that outcome then I'm all for trying Gibson. I don't see having the full cap hit as fitting that plan

It's only two years remaining. With the cap rising, his 6.4M (before retention) for the next two years would be roughly equivalent to taking on a 5M player this year. It really doesn't seem like a huge gamble to me

 

[Rubi]

The only way the oilers should do that is if strome comes with Gibson and is retained as well.

So now we've gone from $3.2m in retention to $5.7m in retention, assuming the Ducks retain the maximum 50% on both players. The Oilers take on $3.1m in net salary ($5.7m - $2.6m).
Good luck with trying to talk the Ducks into paying two more players $5.7m to play elsewhere for the next two years. Also lets not forget about the $2.5m they are paying Cam Fowler to play in StL this year snd next.
Obviously in your world the Ducks are desperate to get rid of Gibson.

 

[Mr Positive]

It's only two years remaining. With the cap rising, his 6.4M (before retention) for the next two years would be roughly equivalent to taking on a 5M player this year. It really doesn't seem like a huge gamble to me

It's the exact two years that we can't handle dead cap. It's year one and two of Drai's big deal and year one of whatever McDavid's number will be. Plus these are the two most expensive years of Campbell's buyout

 

[SwedishFire]

Well Anaheim prob doesn’t mind taking back a goalie stop gap, we don’t have anyone in the system ready to jump up to big club so skinner is fine. That solves our back up goalie situation for next year too.

Then doesn’t just retention get it across the line?

Gibson is 6,4 millilns. If he retains with 50% and Skinner goes back, it will.make through. But it would akso cost at least a 1st to make it break through.

And then Kane isnt even calculated into the calculation. Someone has to go.
I wished it would be the other Skinner.
I wouldnt be surprised if Arvidsson or/and Podkolzin leaves.

 

[Rec T]

So now we've gone from $3.2m in retention to $5.7m in retention, assuming the Ducks retain the maximum 50% on both players. The Oilers take on $3.1m in net salary ($5.7m - $2.6m).
Good luck with trying to talk the Ducks into paying two more players $5.7m to play elsewhere for the next two years. Also lets not forget about the $2.5m they are paying Cam Fowler to play in StL this year snd next.
Obviously in your world the Ducks are desperate to get rid of Gibson.

Taking up all three retention slots this year & giving the Ducks zero flexibility with either of the two that they do want/are expected to want to trade (Dumoulin & Fabbri), while trading one that they seemed to want to keep (Strome) and the one that they'd be fine with keeping for at least another year (Gibson).

The offer from Edmonton better be pretty spectacular in a "He'd be a fool to turn it down" sort of way.

 

[Three On Zero]

What i don't like about Gibson is the term. A team like the Oilers should be doing what Colorado did. If you don't have a clear #1 you should be trying things until you do.

Gibson has good stats on a bad team and he would like to come here. So, that checks some boxes. But, there are red flags with him too. I wish he were impending UFA so we could try him out first. Even with retention, that's a lot of cap commitment and we aren't doing our jobs if we aren't planning for the possible negative outcome.

If there is a plan to deal with that outcome then I'm all for trying Gibson. I don't see having the full cap hit as fitting that plan

Colorado is a recent cup champion feeling the effects of a cap squeeze. Edmonton shouldn’t emulate a team that’s already won the show and is now trying to stay at the top.

 

[Mr Positive]

Colorado is a recent cup champion feeling the effects of a cap squeeze. Edmonton shouldn’t emulate a team that’s already won the show and is now trying to stay at the top.

Why wouldn't we want to emulate a team who won a cup? Isn't that we want? Besides, I'm just talking about the approach to goaltending. Colorado doesn't accept bad results, and gets ahead of the problem. They didn't even commit to the goalie they won with. The Oilers just hope the problem goes away by hoping the player will figure it out themselves.

And so yes, although I don't like that Gibson's deal has term, I'm down with putting him on the list of options. I just hope a goaltending hunt is more than a fan fantasy and that the GM is actually going to do it

 

[duckpuck]

The dynamics of supply and demand don't really change. If (and I emphasize if) Edm, Carolina, or another cup contending team decide they need a goalie upgrade, at this point Gibson is the best option, particularly if the Ducks retain or take back a bad contract or two.

If you're a cup contender, you overpay in that scenario particularly when the seller (the ducks) aren't really motivated to move Gibson in a bad deal. And the truth is, if (and again I emphasize if) Edm thinks they need an upgrade, then they should gladly overpay with futures to get a guy who improves their chances at the cup this year and the next 2.

Happy to hear from Edm or Carolina fans which available goalies they feel would be an upgrade to Gibson. I'm not aware of any, but perhaps there are.

 

[Chrispy]

The dynamics of supply and demand don't really change. If (and I emphasize if) Edm, Carolina, or another cup contending team decide they need a goalie upgrade, at this point Gibson is the best option, particularly if the Ducks retain or take back a bad contract or two.

If you're a cup contender, you overpay in that scenario particularly when the seller (the ducks) aren't really motivated to move Gibson in a bad deal. And the truth is, if (and again I emphasize if) Edm thinks they need an upgrade, then they should gladly overpay with futures to get a guy who improves their chances at the cup this year and the next 2.

Happy to hear from Edm or Carolina fans which available goalies they feel would be an upgrade to Gibson. I'm not aware of any, but perhaps there are.

I don’t think there’s a significant upgrade in the available goalie market to what Carolina currently has this season.

When they were worried about Andersen’s time frame for return, maybe. Now, I don’t see a reason to make a move at goalie vs other positions at the deadline.

 

[MessierThanThou]

He certainly is this year. Not sure how anyone could honestly argue he isn't after taking a look a his stats this year.

And if the Oilers are trying to win the Cup this year isn't that all that really matters? Gibson is the best available goalie that gives the Oilers their best chance at winning the Cup in 2025. How can you argue otherwise?

Now all that has to be determined is the payment. How much is a legitimate shot at winning the cup this year worth to you? Oilers with Gibson in 2025 are better than they are without him. One could even say they would be the leading cup contender.

Bowman is a fool if he doesn't do what it takes to get a deal done... and it sounds like Verbeek wants Stu Skinner + a top prospect to make it happen.

Just to add to your argument, again, keeping in mind that Gibson plays behind a worse defense:

Gibson .963 vs Dallas (Stu was .870 vs them)
Gibson .900 vs Winnipeg (Stu was .615)
Gibson .880 vs Washington (Stu had an .786)
Gibson's worst game vs top teams was against Colorado with an .864 (last game Stu had a .750).
Gibson .955 vs Florida (Stu had a .786)

Gibson's worst performance this season was an .800 and he's only had three games under .870.

On the other hand, Skinner has had thirteen games under .870 and five games under .800! That's at least 35% of his games where Stu has had under .870, and only 17% for Gibson.

Skinner has had 16 games under .900 (43% of his games). Skinner has had 5 games under .800.
Gibson has had 8 games under .900 (34% of his games). Gibson has had 0 games under .800.

So Gibson plays better against top teams and is more consistent than Skinner behind a worse defense.