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The lists are absolutely fantastic.

I can't take issue with anything there in the grand scheme of things.

And as far as draftability is concerned, this year is indeed very "meh" while next year may end up being so as well unless particularly Tropmann and Mayer can up the ante (as in, turn themselves into DEL regulars).

Let's hope 2025 is the year a wave of German kids make themselves noticeable, because there are currently a handful of candidates that are on the best path to gaining draft consideration.

Back to 2023:
I'm going to say that the two Germans with the best chance of getting drafted are overagers, and admittedly goalies. Bugl and Tiefensee did not go without recognition for their DEL feats this year.

I very much agree with this. Tiefensee in particular should garner some interest with his play, not only in the regular season, but also in the playoffs after Brückmann went down with injury once again. He will almost certainly move to the top of my final overager list in June.

Along with Hüttl, Bokk and Stachowiak, both Tiefensee and Bugl have been the stories of the season among young players in the DEL. Luis Schinko also may have had a breakthrough season and hopefully he can build on that, because we need more than just NHL talent, we need as many homegrown players as close to NHL level as possible in the DEL, to further improve the league and become less reliant on imports.

Also, I am so far really impressed with the playoff performance by Filip Varejcka, not just because of the points. He was always among the most talented youngsters, if he can put it all together, that would be great.

Btw, I recently cancelled my NHL Live and NBA League Pass subscriptions, for next season to free up more time to watch games of our prospects, because honestly I have just as much fun doing that, as I have watching the pros overseas, even if the stream quality often sucks.
 

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I very much agree with this. Tiefensee in particular should garner some interest with his play, not only in the regular season, but also in the playoffs after Brückmann went down with injury once again. He will almost certainly move to the top of my final overager list in June.

Yep, these playoffs are certainly making it hard not to.

Is it possible that Kreis would summon him to the national team, at least in/for the WC preparation period?

Granted, that would likely be stipulated by Mannheim losing to Ingolstadt in this round of the playoffs...

Along with Hüttl, Bokk and Stachowiak, both Tiefensee and Bugl have been the stories of the season among young players in the DEL. Luis Schinko also may have had a breakthrough season and hopefully he can build on that, because we need more than just NHL talent, we need as many homegrown players as close to NHL level as possible in the DEL, to further improve the league and become less reliant on imports.

In general, I'm wondering if this isn't the best season for U27 German players in the DEL ever. Like really, ever.

The number of German players 26 or younger who are top 9 forwards, top 6 Dmen, or 1/1b goalies can't possibly have been as numerous and prevalent as was the case this season.

Also, I am so far really impressed with the playoff performance by Filip Varejcka, not just because of the points. He was always among the most talented youngsters, if he can put it all together, that would be great.

I wanted to mention him so bad in my last post, but just didn't think it was appropriate at this juncture because he is making more of a late arrival this season.

I've liked him for several years now. I was surprised that he hadn't made an impact on the scoresheet that a Leonhardt, Blank, or Eham have been making, but he was clearly the toughest of the group - or even of this generation so to speak.

What he's done since the playoffs began is incredible. What a story he's been, and rightfully so. He looks like a kid who "gets it". I've been very impressed. I'm certain that the types of scouts who view and put in a word for a guy like Szuber have Varejcka on their maps.

Could he get an invite to a prospect camp this summer?

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Another German overager who I believe has garnered interest is Krening. I expect him to become a topic. He'd be about the youngest of the overage draftees whose hats are in the draft ring and his AlpsHL playoffs have only been enhancing his profile, which popped up with his DEL debut to kick off the season and continued with his somewhat effective WJC play.
 

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A short addendum to my 2025 ranking:

Once again I forgot to add a player I meant to add the last time around. Goalie Lennart Neiße (late 2006 birthday) appears to be doing well in Canada. But since I a cannot watch any of the games it is difficult to rank him, and it probably also contributed to me forgetting to add him, because I focussed a lot on players I actually watched and far less on stats this time around.

I may update that ranking again over the weekend if I can come up with a ranking for him I am comfortable with.
 

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A short addendum to my 2025 ranking:

Once again I forgot to add a player I meant to add the last time around. Goalie Lennart Neiße (late 2006 birthday) appears to be doing well in Canada. But since I a cannot watch any of the games it is difficult to rank him, and it probably also contributed to me forgetting to add him, because I focussed a lot on players I actually watched and far less on stats this time around.

I may update that ranking again over the weekend if I can come up with a ranking for him I am comfortable with.
If the birthday on EP is correct, he makes the 2024 draft cutoff by one day I believe. Definitely an interesting kid though.
 

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If the birthday on EP is correct, he makes the 2024 draft cutoff by one day I believe. Definitely an interesting kid though.
You're right, I must have made a mistake when I put his information in my list/database. I had his birthday as 14 Oct instead of 14 Sep.
So, I may update the 2024 list instead and he will likely be far higher than he would have been on the 2025 list.
 
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Apparently Linus Brandl has signed in Straubing, essentially replacing Yannik Valenti, who’s headed back to Kassel. Excellent move for Straubing and it’s wild to me that Mannheim didn’t sign him (nor another DEL club like Düsseldorf).
 

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Apparently Linus Brandl has signed in Straubing, essentially replacing Yannik Valenti, who’s headed back to Kassel. Excellent move for Straubing and it’s wild to me that Mannheim didn’t sign him (nor another DEL club like Düsseldorf).

I had recently been wondering how Brandl didn't get a lick of pro action this winter and if that might have had to do with hopes/plans of going the college route.

This would seem to mean that's not the case. Just saw this over at D.E.N and sure, it's very interesting.

But I'd have to say that signing with Straubing means he's likely to kick things off in Landshut next fall, eh?
 
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But I'd have to say that signing with Straubing means he's likely to kick things off in Landshut next fall, eh?
Honestly, I don't think so. Of course he's likely to go up and down but I could see him getting a good long look in the DEL too, if he works hard through the summer and preseason.
 

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Honestly, I don't think so. Of course he's likely to go up and down but I could see him getting a good long look in the DEL too, if he works hard through the summer and preseason.

It would be mighty impressive if he plays any stretch of time in the DEL next season.

The last (and basically only) DNLer I can remember going straight from the DNL to the DEL (as in actually playing) without prior pro experience is Tim Stützle.
 
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It would be mighty impressive if he plays any stretch of time in the DEL next season.

The last (and basically only) DNLer I can remember going went straight from the DNL to the DEL (as in actually playing) without prior pro experience is Tim Stützle.
I guess it depends on your definition of "stretch of time", but there are quite a few players who come to mind who've played in the DEL straight from junior: Proske, Florian Elias, Oswald, Kechter, Blank, Pilu, Stowasser for example. Sure, they didn't all play significant minutes and most split time between DEL and DEL2 or Oberliga, but I don't think Straubing would've been able to sign what might be the top prospect of his age group without promising him time in the DEL.
 

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I guess it depends on your definition of "stretch of time", but there are quite a few players who come to mind who've played in the DEL straight from junior: Proske, Florian Elias, Oswald, Kechter, Blank, Pilu, Stowasser for example. Sure, they didn't all play significant minutes and most split time between DEL and DEL2 or Oberliga, but I don't think Straubing would've been able to sign what might be the top prospect of his age group without promising him time in the DEL.

Ok, I admit that I drew basically a complete blank about what took place in the shortened COVID season while writing that last post. I guess I haven't really been counting that as anything but an anomaly due to the entire issue with budget restraints and the players taking basically a leaguewide cut in pay, etc.

But good that you mention Veit Oswald. I can imagine Straubing envisioning that being just the kind of season they hope to see from Brandl next year.

And it'd be a great first step.
 
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Bicker to Frankfurt.

Could be a good spot for him. I had thought he might end up back in Nuremberg, where he played before he moved to Mannheim, but the Ice Tigers already have a lot of players for the U23 spots and Bicker would likely have a harder time getting a shot there.
In Frankfurt he should get at least some games.

From what I could find online these are the players that will count as U23 for next season that are currently signed by their DEL teams. The list is likely not comprehensive. I will update it as I find more information.

PosFirst NameLast NameTeamBorn in
GArnoTiefenseeAdler Mannheim
2002​
DArkadiuszDziamborAdler Mannheim
2002​
DFabrizioPiluAdler Mannheim
2002​
DNiklasLängerAugsburger Panther
2001​
FChristianHankeAugsburger Panther
2003​
FMarcoNiewollikAugsburger Panther
2004​
FJustinVolekAugsburger Panther
2002​
GLeonDoubrawaBietigheim Steelers
2001​
FAlexanderBlankDüsseldorfer EG
2002​
FJakubBorzeckiDüsseldorfer EG
2002​
FJosefEhamDüsseldorfer EG
2002​
FEdmundJunemannDüsseldorfer EG
2004​
GNikitaQuappEisbären Berlin
2003​
DRayanBettaharEisbären Berlin
2004​
DKorbinianGeibelEisbären Berlin
2002​
DNorwinPanochaEisbären Berlin
2005​
FKevinHandschuhEisbären Berlin
2003​
FMaximilianHeimEisbären Berlin
2003​
FEricHördlerEisbären Berlin
2004​
FJustinBüsingFischtown Pinguins
2003​
GFinnBeckerIserlohn Roosters
2003​
DNilsEltenIserlohn Roosters
2003​
DLukasJungIserlohn Roosters
2004​
DLeonhardKorusIserlohn Roosters
2002​
DMaximRauschIserlohn Roosters
2003​
FJohnBrodaIserlohn Roosters
2001​
FLennardNieleckIserlohn Roosters
2004​
FYannickProskeIserlohn Roosters
2003​
FMaciejRutkowskiIserlohn Roosters
2002​
GNiklasLunemannKölner Haie
2002​
GLeonWillerscheidKölner Haie
2005​
DMaximilianGlötzlKölner Haie
2002​
DEdwinTropmannKölner Haie
2005​
FKevinNiedenzKölner Haie
2003​
FRobinvan CalsterKölner Haie
2003​
DMarkusFreisLöwen Frankfurt
2002​
DSimonGnypLöwen Frankfurt
2001​
FKevinBickerLöwen Frankfurt
2005​
FMarkusSchweigerLöwen Frankfurt
2002​
FConstantinVogtLöwen Frankfurt
2001​
DJustusBöttnerNürnberg Ice Tigers
2002​
FRomanKechterNürnberg Ice Tigers
2004​
FDanjoLeonhardtNürnberg Ice Tigers
2002​
FLukasRibarikNürnberg Ice Tigers
2001​
DKaiZernikelSchwenninger Wild Wings
2003​
FPhilipFeistSchwenninger Wild Wings
2003​
FDanielNeumannSchwenninger Wild Wings
2002​
FFilipReisneckerSchwenninger Wild Wings
2001​
FLinusBrandlStraubing Tigers
2005​
 
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Niehus following Bicker to Frankfurt. Interesting move, not convinced he’s ready yet. Also interesting to see that Mannheim doesn’t seem to care much about their 05s except for Mayer.
 

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Niehus following Bicker to Frankfurt. Interesting move, not convinced he’s ready yet. Also interesting to see that Mannheim doesn’t seem to care much about their 05s except for Mayer.

Who, admittedly, was signed to a 3-year deal last summer; year 1 in the DNL and thereafter as a DNL-eligible pro.
 
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4 Germans rated by NHL central scouting among international skaters.

Linus Brandl at 109

Norwin Panocha at 114

Kevin Bicker at 124

Bennett Rossmy at 126

Slight correction here...

The numbers you have there are from the mid-season column.

The final rankings are:

Linus Brandl at 101

Kevin Bicker at 114

Norwin and Rossmy (in that order) are located in the honorable mention section after spot 130.


But this was before the U18, right?

I'm pretty certain that the scouts at the U18 Worlds currently see Panocha as the most interesting/promising first-year eligible prospect out of Germany.

Not that they're licking their chops over German prospects for this draft.

SIDENOTE:
For my taste, Krening is a more interesting overager than Rossmy. In general, the most interesting draftable prospect in Germany right now should be Arno Tiefensee.
 
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Slight correction here...

The numbers you have there are from the mid-season column.

The final rankings are:

Linus Brandl at 101

Kevin Bicker at 114

Norwin and Rossmy (in that order) are located in the honorable mention section after spot 130.

Pretty sure it’s the other way around. The numbers you have are the midterms. Panocha and Roßmy weren’t mentioned until the final list.
 
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Niehus following Bicker to Frankfurt. Interesting move, not convinced he’s ready yet. Also interesting to see that Mannheim doesn’t seem to care much about their 05s except for Mayer.

In general they seem to be moving away from the youth so to speak.
In the last few years they would often give some playing time to many different players from their DNL roster, but since there aren't exactly any more Seiders and Stützles around, Mannheim might be looking more and more to the vets and keep more of their prospects strictly to the DNL and maybe DEL2.

The signing of Kühnhackl might also be a sign that they are going all in to win next season, which could mean even less ice time for U23 players and probably next to none for U18 players
Plus the 06s don't really have many interesting options anyway. Sure Schams could get a look or maybe Herzog, but nobody else seems to have even the slightest chance.

I am wondering if the Griva twins would maybe have a chance to get some DEL minutes next season if they played for another team. I mean Nürnberg played Merkl this season. But maybe it's better for them to dominate the DNL this season.

It will also be interesting to see if any higher profile prospects change teams for next season to join bigger programs. I am thinking about Bleicher, Späth, Schneider or even Lewandowski.
 
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In general they seem to be moving away from the youth so to speak.
In the last few years they would often give some playing time to many different players from their DNL roster, but since there aren't exactly any more Seiders and Stützles around, Mannheim might be looking more and more to the vets and keep more of their prospects strictly to the DNL and maybe DEL2.

It is fascinating that Bicker, Brandl, and now Niehus are jumping ship so early. I'm not sure if Heilbronn had already been relegated when Bicker signed elsewhere, much less Brandl.

I think Mannheim is basically damned to ALWAYS be in "win now" modus year for year. Why they make some of the personnel decisions they make, beginning with some things off the ice (cough, cough, coaching, cough) is a discussion for itself, but it's nothing new that they will - on paper - be going for it all, year for year.

Not that it's huge, but Moritz Elias has jumped ship for Augsburg as well.

The signing of Kühnhackl might also be a sign that they are going all in to win next season, which could mean even less ice time for U23 players and probably next to none for U18 players
Plus the 06s don't really have many interesting options anyway. Sure Schams could get a look or maybe Herzog, but nobody else seems to have even the slightest chance.

They still have a few guys and unfortunately, I cannot understate how "active" player agents already are at this stage. They're even bargaining and bringing demands to the national teams. Any time I see players this age moving along from arguably the most successful junior program in the country, I'm thinking the agents are playing a big role in that.

As for Tommy K, I like him a lot and he should be a big piece of the team next year. But I would advise any and everyone to refrain from assuming that he'd going to be more than a 25-30 point player in the regular season. That has nothing to do with this discussion, but I wanted to throw that out there.

All in all, I don't see any kids in the junior program who should or could expect to be worked into the big team. I would HOPE that Schams and Herzog are as good as advertised and force themselves into the discussion.

I am wondering if the Griva twins would maybe have a chance to get some DEL minutes next season if they played for another team. I mean Nürnberg played Merkl this season. But maybe it's better for them to dominate the DNL this season.

The Grivas turn 16 in June. Something tells me they won't be showing up in the DEL next season. Yep, might have a bit to do with Mannheim, but the Covid times are over, so aside from the Ice Tigers introducing Merkl this early, I don't think that's going to be a trend.

I suspect Berlin is very serious about getting back into contention. This was a surprising season, but it's understandable to think it was just a bit of a lull in light of all the hockey those guys had played during 2 championships and with plenty of players then logging minutes internationally as well.

Still, I see Berlin being ready and willing to give a few more of the youngins some ice time next season. Panocha comes to mind. Young Hördler should get a longer look. Heim and Handschuh are a bit older, but still U21 players. Names like Marlon Braun, Tom Fitschen, Clemens Sager, and Milan Klein (who is 6'3"), to name a few, strike me as players who may get a look here or there next season. A couple of 16-year-olds in that program could already be DNL contributors next year, which may put them in the conversation for some U18 appearances.

It will also be interesting to see if any higher profile prospects change teams for next season to join bigger programs. I am thinking about Bleicher, Späth, Schneider or even Lewandowski.

I think Bleicher is fix in Füssen for next year.

Don't think Lewandowski is doing anything the Grivas aren't doing anytime soon. Those three are each other's meal tickets.

Späth is very interesting. Can see him looking for greener pastures at this stage. May even be a candidate for a Swedish junior program.
 

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I think Bleicher is fix in Füssen for next year.

Don't think Lewandowski is doing anything the Grivas aren't doing anytime soon. Those three are each other's meal tickets.

Späth is very interesting. Can see him looking for greener pastures at this stage. May even be a candidate for a Swedish junior program.

That was actually sort of my point about Lewandowski. Normally I would say Düsseldorf is a good enough program for him, but he plays so well with the Grivas on the national team, that I was wondering if Mannheim was interested in recruiting him and if he would consider it.
 

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That was actually sort of my point about Lewandowski. Normally I would say Düsseldorf is a good enough program for him, but he plays so well with the Grivas on the national team, that I was wondering if Mannheim was interested in recruiting him and if he would consider it.

Oh yes, that's right. Lewandowski isn't playing for Mannheim yet. :naughty:

Can totally see a move like that.
 

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Oh yes, that's right. Lewandowski isn't playing for Mannheim yet. :naughty:

Can totally see a move like that.

I made the same mistake a few weeks ago, when I was checking the stats of the playoffs / championship tournaments at the U20, U17 and U15 level.
I was looking for Lewandowski among the Jungadler roster and was confused when I couldn't find him.
That was the first time I thought about him making that move.

One thing that gives me pause with that is the fact that the twins have not even been playing on the same line in Mannheim any more. I think Gustavs was centering the 2nd line while Rihards played wing on the first line. Not exactly sure how they split it, but one of them was on the 1st line while the other was on the 2nd. So, maybe the coaches in Mannheim aren't even interested in bringing a line with so much chemistry together.
 

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