Prospect Info: General Prospect Discussion Thread 2019-20

[thestonedkoala]

I think a lot of people just want as many shots at it in the draft as possible, so giving up a 4th rounder to move up in the 3rd (if that's what this was, I can't remember) is seen as a "waste" of a pick. That might cause some consternation.

It was the 73rd and 99th picks for a 2nd rounder...

Based off this board anything after the 15th pick is a crap shoot, and you're lucky if anything after the 1st round makes it to the AHL. So yeah more times at the table is better. The other issue was that there were some guys that dropped that fans were big on. We just signed Robson, Kahkonen had a pretty good first season in the AHL and goalies are notoriously fickle to develop, so why waste 2 draft picks on a goalie?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It was the 73rd and 99th picks for a 2nd rounder...

Based off this board anything after the 15th pick is a crap shoot, and you're lucky if anything after the 1st round makes it to the AHL. So yeah more times at the table is better. The other issue was that there were some guys that dropped that fans were big on. We just signed Robson, Kahkonen had a pretty good first season in the AHL and goalies are notoriously fickle to develop, so why waste 2 draft picks on a goalie?

You sort of answered your own question.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

I thought it was an odd move and I generally think moving up is a mistake. I also thought Carolina got a steal picking Patrik Puistola but he has one point in Liiga this season so far. The other kid they got is in the BCHL while Jones is off to a nice start. There were some famous names still on the board of course and some that were still on the board when they grabbed Beckman later. I feel good about the Wild's draft at this stage and there was absolutely zero question that they needed a new goalie in the system, so why not add one that was high on their list?

 

[Wabit]

I thought it was an odd move and I generally think moving up is a mistake. I also thought Carolina got a steal picking Patrik Puistola but he has one point in Liiga this season so far. The other kid they got is in the BCHL while Jones is off to a nice start. There were some famous names still on the board of course and some that were still on the board when they grabbed Beckman later. I feel good about the Wild's draft at this stage and there was absolutely zero question that they needed a new goalie in the system, so why not add one that was high on their list?

I don't mind taking a goalie. Trading up for one was odd, but there are a lot of quality goalies that come in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It's a team need and goalies are waivers exempt for longer than skaters.

I do think you need to take a goalies at least every other draft, the keep throwing things at the wall and see what sticks philosophy.

 

[thestonedkoala]

You sort of answered your own question.

On why fans didn't agree with the move?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

On why fans didn't agree with the move?

On why you continue to draft them.

 

[TaLoN]

I don't mind taking a goalie. Trading up for one was odd, but there are a lot of quality goalies that come in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It's a team need and goalies are waivers exempt for longer than skaters.

I do think you need to take a goalies at least every other draft, the keep throwing things at the wall and see what sticks philosophy.

I would never take a goalie in the first round, but if you see value in one in the 2nd, I have no problem with it.

Harding was taken in the 2nd, and was on his way to be possibly the best goalie we've had, then MS sprang up.

 

[AKL]

Wasn’t it a third and a fourth that we used to move up to take Jones?

I have no issue burning a third and a fourth to move up into the second and taking a goalie if that’s who they like. If it works out it’s obviously a great move, if it doesn’t work out, no one’s going to remember to care that you could have had a third and a fourth instead.

I also have to say that I’m pretty excited for Beckman. Looks like he’s on a pretty bad team but he’s still putting up numbers. Ty Smith is the only other name worth mentioning that I can see on that roster.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Wasn’t it a third and a fourth that we used to move up to take Jones?

I have no issue burning a third and a fourth to move up into the second and taking a goalie if that’s who they like. If it works out it’s obviously a great move, if it doesn’t work out, no one’s going to remember to care that you could have had a third and a fourth instead.

Unless the 3rd or 4th rounder we traded turns out to be Brayden Point or something, then you're not going to hear the end of it.

 

[TaLoN]

Unless the 3rd or 4th rounder we traded turns out to be Brayden Point or something, then you're not going to hear the end of it.

Which is an exercise in futility, since the butterfly effect likely means we would never have taken the same players in those 2 spots.

 

[AKL]

Which is an exercise in futility, since the butterfly effect likely means we would never have taken the same players in those 2 spots.

My favorite kind

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Which is an exercise in futility, since the butterfly effect likely means we would never have taken the same players in those 2 spots.

I don't disagree, though the butterfly effect is nullified if we take the same player that the team we traded with was going to take, which we'd never actually know. Small chance, but not zero.

 

[TaLoN]

I don't disagree, though the butterfly effect is nullified if we take the same player that the team we traded with was going to take, which we'd never actually know. Small chance, but not zero.

Nor zero, but not a big enough chance to make it anything more than an exercise in futility.

 

[Wabit]

I would never take a goalie in the first round, but if you see value in one in the 2nd, I have no problem with it.

Harding was taken in the 2nd, and was on his way to be possibly the best goalie we've had, then MS sprang up.

I wouldn't go with never, but I'd be hesitant to take one for sure. If there is a MAF or Miller sitting there in the teens I'd be tempted.

 

[TaLoN]

I wouldn't go with never, but I'd be hesitant to take one for sure. If there is a MAF or Miller sitting there in the teens I'd be tempted.

I wouldn't, but that's me. You could end up with Miller, but you could end up with Blackburn.

There's no middle ground with goaltenders really.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I wouldn't go with never, but I'd be hesitant to take one for sure. If there is a MAF or Miller sitting there in the teens I'd be tempted.

That's supposedly what Knight was this last year.

 

[Wabit]

That's supposedly what Knight was this last year.

I thought about Knight with the 1st before the draft started. Boldy still being there when the Wild picked was a no-brainer at that point to me.

 

[Digitalbooya]

When’s the last time we had 3 picks in the first two rounds?

2019 - Boldy, Firstov, Jones
2011 - Brodin, Phillips, Lucia
2010 - Granlund, Bulmer, Larsson, Zucker

 

[thestonedkoala]

When’s the last time we had 3 picks in the first two rounds?

2019 - Boldy, Firstov, Jones
2011 - Brodin, Phillips, Lucia
2010 - Granlund, Bulmer, Larsson, Zucker

2011 - yuck. We moved up in the 2nd to snag Lucia and he was a huge bomb.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Interesting that Pronman thinks his skating has been holding him back a bit

 

[Wabit]

Interesting that Pronman thinks his skating has been holding him back a bit

The bar is a higher for Boldy than most players. His skating isn't bad, there is just room for improvement to get him to his full potential.

 

[Nsjohnson]

No one is calling Boldy a bust, nor should they. Boldy is too intelligent with good enough skating that he will make it.

Now, how special of a player he will be? We'll see. Skating is something that can and is improved upon by many players between ages 18-20.

 

[Bazeek]

I question the idea that his skating's holding him back this year anyway, and wonder if Pronman's comment is based on what he's seen this year or is just going by past analysis. I've only actually seen the Wisconsin game, but he wasn't exactly struggling to keep up there.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I question the idea that his skating's holding him back this year anyway, and wonder if Pronman's comment is based on what he's seen this year or is just going by past analysis. I've only actually seen the Wisconsin game, but he wasn't exactly struggling to keep up there.

you can watch highlights of other games on the BC website. his skating looks fine in the highlights I have seen.

 

[Wabit]

I question the idea that his skating's holding him back this year anyway, and wonder if Pronman's comment is based on what he's seen this year or is just going by past analysis. I've only actually seen the Wisconsin game, but he wasn't exactly struggling to keep up there.

Skating can mean lots of things: speed, stride, burst, cuts and turns, efficiency, balance, etc.