Prospect Info: General Discussion of Prospects

Not sure how I feel about this -



Granted, them ditching the name "Ice" ends about years of consistency. As for Constantine, he's been out of North America on the hot bed coaching circuits of the Asia League, Oswiecim in the Polish league and most recently in the ICEHL in Székesfehérvár, Hungary. So... I guess he's happy to be back near Everitt where he was once the HC?
 
Not sure how I feel about this -



Granted, them ditching the name "Ice" ends about years of consistency. As for Constantine, he's been out of North America on the hot bed coaching circuits of the Asia League, Oswiecim in the Polish league and most recently in the ICEHL in Székesfehérvár, Hungary. So... I guess he's happy to be back near Everitt where he was once the HC?

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Not sure how I feel about this -



Granted, them ditching the name "Ice" ends about years of consistency. As for Constantine, he's been out of North America on the hot bed coaching circuits of the Asia League, Oswiecim in the Polish league and most recently in the ICEHL in Székesfehérvár, Hungary. So... I guess he's happy to be back near Everitt where he was once the HC?


I have no recollection of the Edmonton Ice
 
Not sure how I feel about this -



Granted, them ditching the name "Ice" ends about years of consistency. As for Constantine, he's been out of North America on the hot bed coaching circuits of the Asia League, Oswiecim in the Polish league and most recently in the ICEHL in Székesfehérvár, Hungary. So... I guess he's happy to be back near Everitt where he was once the HC?

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Definitely my being impatient, just wonder if they are going to sign anyone of their recent draft picks in the next week or so. Adams has been pretty consistent in getting his higher draftees under contract quickly during his tenure.
 
Definitely my being impatient, just wonder if they are going to sign anyone of their recent draft picks in the next week or so. Adams has been pretty consistent in getting his higher draftees under contract quickly during his tenure.
Everything is on hold including the Dahlin extension because we're trading for EK65.
 
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12. Zach Benson, LW, 18 (Buffalo Sabres — No. 13, 2023)

There were a lot of nights two seasons ago, on an Ice team that boasted half a dozen of the better forwards and two of the top defencemen in the WHL, where this kid was the best player on the ice (which included him leading them in scoring in the playoffs with 23 points in 15 games) as a 16-year-old. And then last season there was no doubt: Though an injury kept him out of the first round of the playoffs and allowed Ice and now Sabres teammate Matt Savoie to really take over in the postseason, Benson was the best forward on arguably the CHL’s most talented team at forward.

And while he has benefitted from playing with talented linemates, Benson’s a driver in every sense. He’s a multi-dimensional forward who has quick acceleration, can handle the puck at speed and change tempos in control, can shape play by opening up his hips to go heel to heel, thrives in traffic, is a triple shot-deke-pass threat, plays one step ahead of the game in possession, supports the play effectively, problem-solves as well as anyone on this list, works hard off the puck to keep his energy up (he plays heavier and scrappier than he looks, too), and sets the pace and effort level for his line (whether by picking it up or slowing it down to use his creativity).

He’s the kind of player who fills the stat sheet and elevates his linemates in subtle ways, while providing shockingly impressive two-way play for a smallish (about 5-foot-10 and 160-something pounds) winger. Increasingly, I’ve been impressed by his agility in and out of breaks and cuts (his skating is an almost underrated asset for him and particularly impressive through his edges and crossovers, though he can get going the length of the ice, too). He’ll make plays to the inside from the perimeter on one shift, and then go right to the guts of the ice to make something happen in a congested area the next. When you package all of that skill with a dogged work ethic that keeps him around pucks all the time, you’ve got a tremendous player. If he were a little bigger, he’d be a scout’s dream. I think he’s going to be a top-of-the-lineup player regardless.

24. Matt Savoie, C/RW, 19 (Buffalo Sabres — No. 9, 2022)

Savoie’s game has the potential to thrill. He’s got extremely quick side-to-side hands that help him beat defenders one-on-one off of cuts. He’s got an NHL shot (which he can place with pinpoint accuracy from a bad angle and rip by a goalie clean from a distance, but he also loves to change up and slide five-hole). He does an excellent job creating plays to the slot out of traffic. He’s a burning skater with explosiveness and quick three-step acceleration that allows him to win races, separate in transition and put defenders onto their heels, or dash through holes in coverage to the net (or draw a penalty). He’s a soft, small-area passer who blends deception into his movements.

And then on top of those things, he’s got a bit of a chip on his shoulder. He’s always engaged, he keeps his feet moving, he plays with a ton of energy, and he finishes all of his checks and knocks his fair share of players over despite being on the smaller side. He’s also sturdier on his feet than his listed height (5-foot-9) might suggest, which helps him play between checks.

It was nice to see him really pop as the second-leading scorer to Stankoven in the WHL playoffs this spring. I’m a believer in him becoming a high-tempo, top-six, goal-creation type. He’s an exciting talent, with clear PP1 upside due to his shooting/skill package and clear five-on-five upside because of his skating and motor. Even in games where the points don’t fall, he’s almost always dangerous and threatening on the ice — and he’s seldom going to leave you wanting more. His speed might even make him a useful penalty killer to give him all-situations value as well. I’m looking forward to watching him as a big part of Team Canada at the 2024 world juniors in Gothenburg.

25. Jiri Kulich, LW/RW, 19 (Buffalo Sabres — No. 28, 2022)

Up there with Snuggerud and Lane Hutson as one of the best stories of the 2022 draft so far, Kulich is a sturdy, driven, hard-shooting player who can morph his game to his role. He can function as the detail-oriented, above-puck defender who makes quick plays and stays on pucks. He can play off of talented linemates to free his dangerous shooting arsenal up. Or he can carry the puck and function as the primary handler on a line. I like his positioning off the puck. I like the strength, balance and control of his skating stride. I like how quickly and hard shots come off of his stick (not just with his world-class one-timer but through a deceptive early release point in stride too).

He’s got quick hands and flashes skill with the puck on a string one-on-one and under the triangles of defenders’ sticks. He’s got good feel around the net. He plays hard. His skating is noticeable off the puck in his ability to pursue and recapture possession to extend sequences. The ice tends to tilt in his favour when he’s on it. He stays over pucks and protects them extremely well. He supports play well. There’s a lot to like about his makeup. He just looks like a pro — and played like one as an 18-year-old in the AHL last season, which included leading a good Americans team in playoff scoring with seven goals in 12 games. I have no doubt that he’s going to be an NHLer — and likely a very good one.

Honourable mentions (sorted alphabetically):


Noah Östlund, C (Buffalo Sabres)
Isak Rosen, LW (Buffalo Sabres)


The Ranking

Here’s the ranking broken down into tiers for a better sense of the proximity within groups of players.

This year’s ranking is divided into four tiers. They are: 1, 2-7, 8-29, 30-50+. I debated swapping each of the final few players I have ranked with most of the 77 players I have listed as honourable mentions below. Consider it more of a 30-127 tier (though there’s probably one more divide in there between the players I seriously considered and the ones who only got passing consideration).

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He had the top 50 before the HM list.
 
After reading 8 million posts the past year about how Adams neglected drafting defensemen (this is a separate discussion of our NHL talent or lineup/depth), I wanted to take a look our 23 & under talent at the position. To me, this seems like a huge strength of the team, and those opinions seem wrong. With our NHL talent, it made a ton of sense to focus on draft forwards in 2021 and 2022, and then revisit adding defensemen this past draft. But I wanted to get other's thoughts.

NHL: Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson

AHL: Johnson, Novikov, Metsa

Prospects: Strbak, Komarov, McCarthy, Lindgren, Keohane, Panocha, Lyckasen
 
After reading 8 million posts the past year about how Adams neglected drafting defensemen (this is a separate discussion of our NHL talent or lineup/depth), I wanted to take a look our 23 & under talent at the position. To me, this seems like a huge strength of the team, and those opinions seem wrong. With our NHL talent, it made a ton of sense to focus on draft forwards in 2021 and 2022, and then revisit adding defensemen this past draft. But I wanted to get other's thoughts.

NHL: Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson

AHL: Johnson, Novikov, Metsa

Prospects: Strbak, Komarov, McCarthy, Lindgren, Keohane, Panocha, Lyckasen
Some posters seemed to overreact a bit regarding defensive depth among our prospects. It really isn't/wasn't a glaring need when you can put Dahlin and Power on seperate pairs for the next decade. The idea is each of them will carry their own pair. Very few teams can say the same thing. We don't need blue chippers on the backend for that exact reason. We're set for the next decade unless something goes terribly wrong with Power's development.

I like the depth today. We just need to find another Samuelsson among them, and we're good. Anything more than that would be the cherry on top. Until then, let's see if Power can mesh with a 4/5 tweener whose play compliments him well. If it works, we have Power's partner for the next 3 years on a solid contract. Risky, but could pay dividends.
 
After reading 8 million posts the past year about how Adams neglected drafting defensemen (this is a separate discussion of our NHL talent or lineup/depth), I wanted to take a look our 23 & under talent at the position. To me, this seems like a huge strength of the team, and those opinions seem wrong. With our NHL talent, it made a ton of sense to focus on draft forwards in 2021 and 2022, and then revisit adding defensemen this past draft. But I wanted to get other's thoughts.

NHL: Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson

AHL: Johnson, Novikov, Metsa

Prospects: Strbak, Komarov, McCarthy, Lindgren, Keohane, Panocha, Lyckasen
I think there have been some significant changes over the past few months in this regard.

The biggest was that they did sign Johnson. Then you have the signing of Metsa and the drafting of four D in the 2023 Draft. Keeping Johnson and adding the 5 others significantly improved things and took the defensive pipeline from a place where there were only 2-3 solid prospects to 6-7.
 
I think there have been some significant changes over the past few months in this regard.

The biggest was that they did sign Johnson. Then you have the signing of Metsa and the drafting of four D in the 2023 Draft. Keeping Johnson and adding the 5 others significantly improved things and took the defensive pipeline from a place where there were only 2-3 solid prospects to 6-7.
To further JB's point, since the end of the season:

ELCs:
R.Johnson
Novikov
Komarov

AHL Signing that should eventually be a NHL signing:
Metsa

Draft:
Strbak
McCarthy
Keohane
Panocha

UFA:
E.Johnson
Clifton
Retained Clague, Davies, Cecconi


ALOT has changed. (and they still shouldn't be done if Pesce is available)

They added.
Several guys grew a lot (Metsa, Cecconi, Davies in the AHL playoffs; Komarov in the Mem Cup)
They drafted before the 4th round, and multiple times.
 
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To further JB's point, since the end of the season:

ELCs:
R.Johnson
Novikov
Komarov

AHL Signing that should eventually be a NHL signing:
Metsa

Draft:
Strbak
McCarthy
Keohane
Panocha

UFA:
E.Johnson
Clifton
Retained Clague, Davies, Cecconi


ALOT has changed. (and they still shouldn't be done if Pesce is available)

They added.
Several guys grew a lot (Metsa, Cecconi, Davies in the AHL playoffs; Komarov in the Mem Cup)
They drafted before the 4th round, and multiple times.
Could you or any poster for that matter fill me in more of metsa?
 
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Could you or any poster for that matter fill me in more of metsa?




He is a small (5'9" 180) RHD who had 74pts in 82 games the past two years at Quinnipiac and was a captain on the national championship team.
 




He is a small (5'9" 180) RHD who had 74pts in 82 games the past two years at Quinnipiac and was a captain on the national championship team.

Our own thread on him - Prospect Info: - Zach Metsa - RHD - Signed PTO + 2 yr AHL deal starting in 2023-24

Also, search on "Metsa" in the Amerk thread from last season and there are things there to his game. Quality pull, even if he's "just" an AHLer. But at this point, I can see him earning an NHL deal at some point in his near future.
 
After reading 8 million posts the past year about how Adams neglected drafting defensemen (this is a separate discussion of our NHL talent or lineup/depth), I wanted to take a look our 23 & under talent at the position. To me, this seems like a huge strength of the team, and those opinions seem wrong. With our NHL talent, it made a ton of sense to focus on draft forwards in 2021 and 2022, and then revisit adding defensemen this past draft. But I wanted to get other's thoughts.

NHL: Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson

AHL: Johnson, Novikov, Metsa

Prospects: Strbak, Komarov, McCarthy, Lindgren, Keohane, Panocha, Lyckasen
I see three top four defenseman and a GM who refuses to acquire another one
 
I see three top four defenseman and a GM who refuses to acquire another one
Completely irrelevant to drafting defensemen the past three years. But I don't expect you to engage in an honest conversation about this...even though it was you who loved to post about not having defensive prospects 500 times.

You weren't able to differentiate (1) prospects in the system and (2) a top 4 nhl defensemen then, and i don't expect you to do it now.
 
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He is a small (5'9" 180) RHD who had 74pts in 82 games the past two years at Quinnipiac and was a captain on the national championship team.
Thank you! Any comparable? Krug (obviously never gonna be as good but I mean in terms of stature and play style)
 
Thank you! Any comparable? Krug (obviously never gonna be as good but I mean in terms of stature and play style)

From the Athletic article on Metsa from a few months back -
Devon Toews, who has back-to-back 50-point seasons for the Avalanche, also came through the Quinnipiac program. He was drafted and is bigger than Metsa, but Pecknold sees a similarity in how the two think about the game and were able to control the game with their presence on the blue line.

“He makes so many high-end plays in small areas and he does it at a high pace and just has an elite, elite mind,” Pecknold said. “Really elite IQ. He has the ability, but he’s going to have to do it with his IQ and his stick, because his stick is elite defensively.”

“That whole trajectory shows what kind of inner belief and inner drive he has,” Appert said. “Others may have questioned him along the path for one reason or another but he probably never wavered himself on how good he thought he could be. That inner belief is really powerful in a person.”

When I watch him, you can see him do the right things. It isn't about necessarily being flashy, it's that he makes the right decisions over and over and over again. He evades pressure and is so crisp on breakouts. He moves to where the play is going to be and has a quick stick and ability to neutralize opportunities. The frustration factor of having some little dude just kill your rush because of how he gets into someone's hands with his body and uses leverage and position, then spins things back the other way. It's just... there. It's that sort of defenseman you might not notice because he's not making big mistakes or even really little ones AND he's taking the puck and turning the play. While he's not Blankenberg level of d-zone committed, we could see in his AHL time that he can handle even folks like the rumbling Bears by being well-positioned and just working at how to kill the play.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
 
Guess it all depends on how they define "prospect pipeline". I agree with the top 5 in general.....I'm just not so sure we're #1 if we're going with a traditional definition.
Oh for sure. I am not saying we're a slam dunk but people make it seem like the Sabres have zero business being #1. Particularly Chicago fans... Because you have the best prospect doesn't mean you should have the top rated pipeline.
 

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