Prospect Info: General Discussion of Prospects

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Novikov and Kisakov in action from the 26th:



Novikov picked up a secondary with a nice defensive play at the offensive blueline that turned into a goal. He had a team high 20:39 in TOI and finished as a -1.

Kisakov finishes with 3 shots and no points in the 4-2 loss.
 

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Top tier ("high end"): Power, Quinn, Cozens, Krebs
2nd tier ("strong"): Peterka, Bryson, Rosen, Kisakov, Johnson, Poltapov, Samuelsson
3rd tier ("average"): Luukkonen, Levi, Portillo, Laaksonen, Konecny, Nadeau, Bloom, Rousek, Novkov, Sardaryan, Murray
4th tier ("long shots"): Weissbach, Huglen, Costantini, Marjala, Biro, von Barnekow, Pekar, Cederqvist
Bottom tier ("below average"): Cronholm, Kozak, Kukkonen, Lyckasen, Worge Kreu
 
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For anyone who wants to save themselves a click:

Top tier ("high end"): Power, Quinn, Cozens, Krebs
2nd tier ("strong"): Peterka, Bryson, Rosen, Kisakov, Johnson, Poltapov, Samuelsson
3rd tier ("average"): Luukkonen, Levi, Portillo, Laaksonen, Konecny, Nadeau, Bloom, Rousek, Novkov, Sardaryan, Murray
4th tier ("long shots"): Weissbach, Huglen, Costantini, Marjala, Biro, von Barnekow, Pekar, Cederqvist
Bottom tier ("below average"): Cronholm, Kozak, Kukkonen, Lyckasen, Worge Kreu

You missed Rosen in the Strong tier.
 
What about power being elite? In this case not

Not going to quibble with "high end" vs. "elite". For me, he's pretty much right on the border between those tiers. If he keeps developing, he hits elite. If he kinda stalls out, he'll be high end. The more I see out of this kid, I think his low end is like Jay-Bow or Erik Johnson. No idea what his ceiling is. Maybe an ever-so-slightly lesser version of Hedman?
 
He basically went with the goalies are a crapshoot take for all three.

He's not wrong in that regard.

Why isn't he wrong? To some people, goalies aren't crapshoots -- it's called being good at goalie scouting. He admits he doesn't know how to evaluate goalie prospects but ranks them anyway, which is stange.

Technically, literally every prospect is a crapshoot, so I guess you're right. But it shouldn't be for people who are frigging writing about it like they're an expert.
 
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Why isn't he wrong? To some people, goalies aren't crapshoots -- it's called being good at goalie scouting. He admits he doesn't know how to evaluate goalie prospects but ranks them anyway, which is stange.

Technically, literally every prospect is a crapshoot, so I guess you're right. But it shouldn't be for people who are frigging writing about it like they're an expert.
Meh I don’t care much about one guys opinion is. Luongo making sure personally that Florida drafts him is as much praise as any hockey writer could possibly give.
 
Why isn't he wrong? To some people, goalies aren't crapshoots -- it's called being good at goalie scouting. He admits he doesn't know how to evaluate goalie prospects but ranks them anyway, which is stange.

Technically, literally every prospect is a crapshoot, so I guess you're right. But it shouldn't be for people who are frigging writing about it like they're an expert.

To me, a goalie is either “loud” or “quiet”. Even if the stats aren’t there, you can just see it with goalies. But it’s not a formula that you can say translates to NHL success. Like to me, Vasilevsky is loud. Whereas Shesterkin is quiet. Consequently, using goalies that aren’t successful (yet, if ever), JJ is quiet, but Blackwood is loud. Then you have goalies like Campbell who’s game has changed from loud to quiet (in the NHL) or 6K, who is loud in the AHL but looks quiet in the NHL. Or Hart who used to be quiet but now is loud. Or outliers like Hasek who’s game was the equivalent of screaming into a megaphone.

They’re just voodoo. I’ve never been able to scout them. The only one in the past three years I’ve even been close to scouting was Nick Malik, who I said the Sabres should draft in the 7th round in 2020, and is 3rd in SV% and 6th in GAA in Liiga, while being the youngest goalie there (still only 19).
 
Why isn't he wrong? To some people, goalies aren't crapshoots -- it's called being good at goalie scouting. He admits he doesn't know how to evaluate goalie prospects but ranks them anyway, which is stange.

Technically, literally every prospect is a crapshoot, so I guess you're right. But it shouldn't be for people who are frigging writing about it like they're an expert.

I would rather the writer be self-aware than try and fake it.

Levi and UPL are both great examples of how up and down goalie development is. There are plenty of people losing their minds about the Reinhart trade because Levi was a 7th round pick who had only played in last year's WJC between being drafted and the trade.

3/4 of one NCAA season later and most Sabres fans are in love. Even the most optimistic Sabre fans didn't see this coming. But, with his bad weekend against a solid UMass team, there are some signs that Levi's development won't just be a rocket ship straight to a Vezina Trophy.

I like Levi the best of the three goalie prospects that the Sabres have right now. But, I won't be surprised if any of them turns out to be the best NHL goalie long term.

This really is a replay of the Mika vs Marty vs Miller days. There were plenty of people that felt that Mika or Marty would be the best of that bunch.
 
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I would rather the writer be self-aware than try and fake it.

Levi and UPL are both great examples of how up and down goalie development is. There are plenty of people losing their minds about the Reinhart trade because Levi was a 7th round pick who had only played in last year's WJC between being drafted and the trade.

3/4 of one NCAA season later and most Sabres fans are in love. Even the most optimistic Sabre fans didn't see this coming. But, with his bad weekend against a solid UMass team, there are some signs that Levi's development won't just be a rocket ship straight to a Vezina Trophy.

I like Levi the best of the three goalie prospects that the Sabres have right now. But, I won't be surprised if any of them turns out to be the best NHL goalie long term.

This really is a replay of the Mika vs Marty vs Miller days. There were plenty of people that felt that Mika or Marty would be the best of that bunch.

And those of us who felt Mika was the best were obviously correct.
 
For anyone who wants to save themselves a click:

Top tier ("high end"): Power, Quinn, Cozens, Krebs
2nd tier ("strong"): Peterka, Bryson, Rosen, Kisakov, Johnson, Poltapov, Samuelsson
3rd tier ("average"): Luukkonen, Levi, Portillo, Laaksonen, Konecny, Nadeau, Bloom, Rousek, Novkov, Sardaryan, Murray
4th tier ("long shots"): Weissbach, Huglen, Costantini, Marjala, Biro, von Barnekow, Pekar, Cederqvist
Bottom tier ("below average"): Cronholm, Kozak, Kukkonen, Lyckasen, Worge Kreu
Peterka seems one level above all the others you have in the "strong" tier
 
Kisakov in action -



Just picked up a minor for battling in front, resulting in a 4-on-4. Dynamo promptly wins the draw, skates in and scores.

I think Novikov went back up after getting in some quality playing time. He hasn't dress for the MHL squad in a few.
 

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