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KingsHockey24 said:
Just got back from the Doc since I've been having numbness in my body so had so my blood drawn. They said I'm mostly likely fine but I also might have a tumor in my kidney?? DOCTOR WTF.
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I know that's certainly scary. If you can compartmentalize and put it out of your head until you get an official diagnosis. There is always this vs that vs that vs this as Patients present in a medical setting. I know it's tough and easier said than done. Best of luck in this scenario.
 
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Papa Mocha 15 said:
I know that's certainly scary. If you can compartmentalize and put it out of your head until you get an official diagnosis. There is always this vs that vs that vs this as Patients present in a medical setting. I know it's tough and easier said than done. Best of luck in this scenario.
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Thank you 💕

My cellphone broke earlier today and when I got back home from work there was a message left on the answering machine to call them back as soon as possible but they were closed by the time I saw it. Sigh; nothing seems to be going right for me at the moment.
 

New versions of Omicron are masters of immune evasion​

Vaccines and prior infection still prevent severe disease from new SARS-CoV-2 strains​

In most cases, vaccination or earlier infection still seem to provide protection from severe disease. “There’s no reason to freak out,” says John Moore, an immunologist at Weill Cornell Medicine. The new strains are “an additional hassle,” he says, but “there’s no indication that they’re more dangerous or more pathogenic.”

The new superspreaders do, however, showcase the restless virus’ ability to find ways around the “immunity wall” built up over the past 2 years and to continue to circulate at high levels. Even if the new variants cause relatively little severe disease, “it’s a numbers game,” says Leif Erik Sander, an infectious disease expert at the Charité University Hospital in Berlin; enough new infections could still overwhelm health systems.

The limited protection that BA.1 infection provided against the new subvariants in lab studies has already raised questions about how useful the new Omicron-specific vaccines might be. Wang says the virus is evolving too quickly for strain-specific vaccines to keep up. Instead, a broad cocktail of monoclonal antibodies targeting different strains might be the best way forward, he says.

It’s far from clear what kind of vaccine might prompt that broadened immunity, but “we really, really need to get going” to figure that out, Andersen says. “Simply letting the virus do what viruses do—continue to infect us, and likely several times a year—just isn’t an option in my playbook.”

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Tuesday's #s very very good news on the hosp and ICU front

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My 16 yo (not vaxxed yet) tested positive over the weekend. Had a high fever for about 3 days but now is feeling good/normal. Beyond the fever, not too bad for him.
So far the rest of the household (all vaxxed) has avoided catching it from him. Hopefully it's not inevitable though. Not concerned with getting it per se -- moreso just potentially spreading it and having to isolate for longer.
 
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Schrute farms beets said:
My 16 yo (not vaxxed yet) tested positive over the weekend. Had a high fever for about 3 days but now is feeling good/normal. Beyond the fever, not too bad for him.
So far the rest of the household (all vaxxed) has avoided catching it from him. Hopefully it's not inevitable though. Not concerned with getting it per se -- moreso just potentially spreading it and having to isolate for longer.
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The fever and feeling sick for 3 days is about as bad as it gets these days. It's not like a flu, neither like gastro. it's kinda like in between in terms of lenght but then it drags you down unable to do as much as you usually would. At this point, getting the shot is optional as it hasn't helped anyone yet. I think we just need to let go a bit and then we can move on because the virus on it's own has not been the threat.
 
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Still not trying to downplay it but I'm definitely hearing a lot more people casually say "I got covid" and it barely knocks them down.

Credit to treatments/vaccines as well as a hopefully weakening virus, but I'll admit I haven't been watching the coverage as much.
 
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Mandeline said:
The fever and feeling sick for 3 days is about as bad as it gets these days. It's not like a flu, neither like gastro. it's kinda like in between in terms of lenght but then it drags you down unable to do as much as you usually would. At this point, getting the shot is optional as it hasn't helped anyone yet. I think we just need to let go a bit and then we can move on because the virus on it's own has not been the threat.
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Yeah, the 16yr old that had it wasn't bad even during his 3 days of fever. He wanted a break from school/homework/etc., so he enjoyed laying all day in bed and the couch watching TV. He had plenty of energy even during the fever.
I'm still shocked nobody else in the household got it from him.
 
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Schrute farms beets said:
I'm still shocked nobody else in the household got it from him.
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This (sickness confined to a single member of a household) seems to be "going around" - my main teammate at work got it last week (interestingly, the initial 15-minute test he self-administered was negative; a subsequent in-office test at Kaiser came up positive), and yet his wife and kids have so far tested negative.

Incidentally, as cool as the prospect of a 4th channel of vaccination in the US is, maybe a bit of bad news:
www.reuters.com

U.S. FDA flags risk of heart inflammation after Novavax COVID vaccine

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration hasraised concerns about a possible risk of heart inflammation from Novavax Inc's COVID-19 vaccine, even as the company's data showed it could reduce the chances of mild-to-severe disease.
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Rumpelstiltskin said:
This (sickness confined to a single member of a household) seems to be "going around" - my main teammate at work got it last week (interestingly, the initial 15-minute test he self-administered was negative; a subsequent in-office test at Kaiser came up positive), and yet his wife and kids have so far tested negative.

Incidentally, as cool as the prospect of a 4th channel of vaccination in the US is, maybe a bit of bad news:
www.reuters.com

U.S. FDA flags risk of heart inflammation after Novavax COVID vaccine

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration hasraised concerns about a possible risk of heart inflammation from Novavax Inc's COVID-19 vaccine, even as the company's data showed it could reduce the chances of mild-to-severe disease.
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They discussed in the FDA call today before officially approving the EUA - that there is not enough evidence of myocarditis in the trials to raise alarm.. and one fo the FDA MD's on the panel went out of his way to say that Novavax does not deserve to have the mycocarditis stigma associated with their vax based on the data thats currently presented. It is a little concerning that the CEO of Reuters is on the board of Pfizer James Smith | Pfizer
 
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AbsentMojo said:
It is a little concerning that the CEO of Reuters is on the board of Pfizer James Smith | Pfizer
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Great find, seriously (albeit, in fairness to the original point, I believe other news outlets were also reporting this information last week - not sure if Reuters was the "originator" article, or whatever the technical publishing term is).

--and RE: the advisory panel approval itself: hey, great! The more sanctioned options we have, the better IMHO - more details on their discussion today here:

finance.yahoo.com

FDA advisory committee recommends Novavax vaccine for use in adults

FDA votes to recommend use of Novavax COVID-19 vaccine in adults
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If Novavax got denied due to mycocarditis concerns, then the others should be pulled immediately.

Oh but i'm sure these boards and people involved on the approval side are completely independent and have no outside influence on them whatsoever (yeah right).
 
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Mandeline said:
The fever and feeling sick for 3 days is about as bad as it gets these days. It's not like a flu, neither like gastro. it's kinda like in between in terms of lenght but then it drags you down unable to do as much as you usually would. At this point, getting the shot is optional as it hasn't helped anyone yet. I think we just need to let go a bit and then we can move on because the virus on it's own has not been the threat.
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This might be the most ignorant and ill-informed post on this entire thread.

Over 5,700 people have died in this country in the past nine days, and you are claiming that "three days (of illness are) about as bad a it gets these days?" Really?

Perhaps you can produce some statistics for your claim that "the shot is optional (since) it hasn't helped anyone yet."

And I have no idea what you mean by "the virus on it's own has not been the threat." It's only taken over 1 million lives in this country over the past 30 months. That's a pretty sound threat in my book.
 
RonM11 said:
This might be the most ignorant and ill-informed post on this entire thread.

Over 5,700 people have died in this country in the past nine days, and you are claiming that "three days (of illness are) about as bad a it gets these days?" Really?

Perhaps you can produce some statistics for your claim that "the shot is optional (since) it hasn't helped anyone yet."

And I have no idea what you mean by "the virus on it's own has not been the threat." It's only taken over 1 million lives in this country over the past 30 months. That's a pretty sound threat in my book.
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I guess you misunderstood my post. No offense to that. I don’t think you have to be so blunt about it…

I mean that a lot of death were related to the effect of the pandemic. Not going out, not eating well, not connecting with other individuals in a meaningful way are all factors to deprive human beings of their most basic needs. Also, a lot of these Covid deaths have comorbidity with chronic illnesses, care homes and paliative cares.

The vaccine mandate was simply agreements with the W.H.O. and many presidents, including countries like the USA and Canada, to cash in on vaccines, these shots looking free at first, but we end up paying for these on our taxes.

Anyway, I’m going to let people judge, hopefully it’ll be different the next time around and people will be nice and open-minded, not telling others what to do.
 
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Mandeline said:
I guess you misunderstood my post. No offense to that. I don’t think you have to be so blunt about it…

I mean that a lot of death were related to the effect of the pandemic. Not going out, not eating well, not connecting with other individuals in a meaningful way are all factors to deprive human beings of their most basic needs. Also, a lot of these Covid deaths have comorbidity with chronic illnesses, care homes and paliative cares.

The vaccine mandate was simply agreements with the W.H.O. and many presidents, including countries like the USA and Canada, to cash in on vaccines, these shots looking free at first, but we end up paying for these on our taxes.

Anyway, I’m going to let people judge, hopefully it’ll be different the next time around and people will be nice and open-minded, not telling others what to do.
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Vaccine mandates didnt make a lot of sense to me because there was no evidence the vaccines prevented spread. Lets say they did - then its a moral imperative to get the vax because it will reduce the spread of the virus and save lives of others. Without this moral imperative the mandate is not justified - since the vaccine only impacts the severity of the illness for an individual. Then the individual should be allowed to weigh the risk / reward of taking the vaccine - not the state. There are no long term studies of the mRNA vaccines in humans - its legitimate to question whether the benefits outweigh the risks.
 
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