General COVID-19 Talk #2, NHL Phase 2 begins early June Mod Warning post 1

[Lt Dan]

I'm not saying this to rub it in but I totally get that, I just played my first hockey game in months and it was the best feeling I've had since March. y.

Very glad to hear

but if for some reason, you want to erase those mental gainz, eat some grape nuts

 

[Bandit]

f*** grape nuts too

 

[tny760]

I'm not saying this to rub it in but I totally get that, I just played my first hockey game in months and it was the best feeling I've had since March.

case in point as to why extended lockdowns aren't healthy. you're probably a pretty well adjusted person and if that was the highlight of several months, there's a LOT of people out there who are on the verge. no surprise people are going batshit in the street, really

 

[Bandit]

case in point as to why extended lockdowns aren't healthy. you're probably a pretty well adjusted person and if that was the highlight of several months, there's a LOT of people out there who are on the verge. no surprise people are going batshit in the street, really

I don't think anyone contests that point? Chemo isn't great for you either, but it beats dying.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

case in point as to why extended lockdowns aren't healthy. you're probably a pretty well adjusted person and if that was the highlight of several months, there's a LOT of people out there who are on the verge. no surprise people are going batshit in the street, really

I'm flattered but this was your first mistake

Jokes aside the mental health side of this is tough, it really is.

 

[HeadInjury]

I'm going out to dinner next Tuesday at a restaurant re-opening that day. I'm fairly optimistic about my chances of survival.

 

[Rusty Batch]

It's just interesting that they sold us on flattening the curve, so that our hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed. Which has never been a threat. And yet we are still doing it and pretending that we are saving lives when all we are doing is delaying the inevitable second wave at a time when our hospitals are empty and receiving bail out money to stay empty.

 

[jfont]

It's just interesting that they sold us on flattening the curve, so that our hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed. Which has never been a threat. And yet we are still doing it and pretending that we are saving lives when all we are doing is delaying the inevitable second wave at a time when our hospitals are empty and receiving bail out money to stay empty.

Do you think it did not save lives?

 

[Lt Dan]

It's just interesting that they sold us on flattening the curve, so that our hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed. Which has never been a threat. And yet we are still doing it and pretending that we are saving lives when all we are doing is delaying the inevitable second wave at a time when our hospitals are empty and receiving bail out money to stay empty.

California yes

If NYC didn't shut down with they did, you would have seen Italy happen there

 

[Lt Dan]

OC back to somewhat normal levels today 4 deaths , 2 were SNF

 

[Maynard]

It's just interesting that they sold us on flattening the curve, so that our hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed. Which has never been a threat. And yet we are still doing it and pretending that we are saving lives when all we are doing is delaying the inevitable second wave at a time when our hospitals are empty and receiving bail out money to stay empty.

They “sold us” on flattening the curve because of what we were seeing in Italy. Hospitals were overrun and it looked like NY was headed the same direction. Nobody could agree on any projections at the time (rightfully so with incomplete data) and NOBODY knew what the right move was.

EDIT - rocket legs beat me to it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's just interesting that they sold us on flattening the curve, so that our hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed. Which has never been a threat. And yet we are still doing it and pretending that we are saving lives when all we are doing is delaying the inevitable second wave at a time when our hospitals are empty and receiving bail out money to stay empty.

So what exactly is your suggestion, and what exactly would you like to happen? You're complaining about the shutdown, you're complaining that we're still shutting down which is inaccurate as we're opening up in the face of rising cases, and you're complaining about a second wave. It doesn't seem like there's an action or outcome that you're in favor of at all.

 

[Rusty Batch]

So what exactly is your suggestion, and what exactly would you like to happen? You're complaining about the shutdown, you're complaining that we're still shutting down which is inaccurate as we're opening up in the face of rising cases, and you're complaining about a second wave. It doesn't seem like there's an action or outcome that you're in favor of at all.

Should never have shut down if hospitals weren't overcrowded. And the fact that we are still facing major changes for the following school year is not acceptable. We accomplished nothing and now we are supposed to be happy about life maybe returning to normal a year from now?

 

[Rusty Batch]

California yes

If NYC didn't shut down with they did, you would have seen Italy happen there

I live in California

 

[Lt Dan]

I live in California

Most of us do

but it is pretty hard to make projections when there isn't another CA to use as an example

Should never have shut down if hospitals weren't overcrowded. And the fact that we are still facing major changes for the following school year is not acceptable. We accomplished nothing and now we are supposed to be happy about life maybe returning to normal a year from now?

That is incredibly easy to say in hindsight
but you do realize that there is a lag period between infection and hospitalization, right?

 

[Matt13]

Should never have shut down if hospitals weren't overcrowded. And the fact that we are still facing major changes for the following school year is not acceptable. We accomplished nothing and now we are supposed to be happy about life maybe returning to normal a year from now?

I've always questioned the overcrowding but have a different view of it.

My wife's specialty is in Psych. It's how she manages me. Even though she now has her Masters and is an NP, that doesn't mean she should be caring for Covid patients. While delivery doctors, are doctors, should they really be administering drugs to someone for a disease they have no practice in treating?

Just because their were empty beds, you still need people to care for them and it was probably taxing to those who were in those critical care positions.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Do you think it did not save lives?

Yeah at this point it has saved some lives. But there will be a second wave and then that won't matter. We are just lengthening the process. Plus let's be real most people still hang out with their neighbors and come into contact with a fair amount of people. So it's tough to gauge how much impact it has really had anyways.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Should never have shut down if hospitals weren't overcrowded. And the fact that we are still facing major changes for the following school year is not acceptable. We accomplished nothing and now we are supposed to be happy about life maybe returning to normal a year from now?

So again, what's your solution? Just ignore it and life goes on?

 

[jfont]

Yeah at this point it has saved some lives. But there will be a second wave and then that won't matter. We are just lengthening the process. Plus let's be real most people still hang out with their neighbors and come into contact with a fair amount of people. So it's tough to gauge how much impact it has really had anyways.

So it was worth it.

It is awfully selfish to say we should not have quarantined when you know some people would have died. Just because you don't think you are not affected doesn't mean other won't be.

 

[jfont]

Los Angeles Coronavirus Update: Model Predicts County May Run Out Of ICU Beds In 2-4 Weeks As Transmission Rate Is Confirmed To Be Rising

 

[redcard]

Yeah at this point it has saved some lives. But there will be a second wave and then that won't matter. We are just lengthening the process. Plus let's be real most people still hang out with their neighbors and come into contact with a fair amount of people. So it's tough to gauge how much impact it has really had anyways.

I ran into an friend's brother a couple weeks ago and shook his hand. I later realized that it was probably my first handshake since this all started 2-3 months before.

I play in rec leagues, and for that alone I'm probably shaking hands, fist bumping, high fiving, or hugging 30+ people per week during normal times.

So yeah, even though I may have still hung out with neighbors or family members periodically throughout all this I can say with absolute confidence that I have come in contact with significantly fewer people because of the quarantine. And that's not considering the Kings games or other sports I'm not attending in close contact with thousands of other fans, or that I haven't been sitting at a bar or a restaurant near other patrons who may be coughing or sneezing without face coverings, or that there's fewer people around the office, or that people are consciously standing farther away from me (and not because of the smell now) etc. etc.

Now that's anecdotal, may be completely different for you, but if I'm one of those few neighbors that you hung out with during quarantine than you too experienced drastically less exposure risk by proxy through me....even if you feel like you didn't come into contact with any fewer people.

 

[tny760]

After health officer quits, Orange County to lift mask requirement and reopen gyms, schools and bars

this should be juicy

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

La county--New case growth rate 2%, New death growth rate 2%
Riverside 2%, 1%
San Diego 2%, 1%
Oc 2%, 3%
San Bernardino, 2%, 1%

Can only hope that OC death rate is a temporary trend, but all of those numbers are down over the last month--a little problematic because percentages of higher numbers are higher, but still, it's only been a couple of days of little spikes here and there so I hope that's just passing us, not signalling another curve bump.

 

[Rusty Batch]

So again, what's your solution? Just ignore it and life goes on?

My solution is to follow exactly what they said the point of this was, which was to prevent hospitals from being overcrowded. Well hospitals are empty. They are receiving bail out money because they would be going out of business without it.

Us Californians have never been in a position where we needed to flatten the curve. That's reality, it's not hindsight any longer it's been the reality since the beginning of this. And it's still going on.

So flattening the curve if our hospitals are starting to reach capacity makes sense. But it never has been a thing here.

Sometimes doing very little is better then doing something harmful.

 

[Rusty Batch]

So it was worth it.

It is awfully selfish to say we should not have quarantined when you know some people would have died. Just because you don't think you are not affected doesn't mean other won't be.

It's not selfish, get off your high horse. Lots of people have been terribly impacted by these awful decisions. Maybe your being selfish by not considering how the lives of people you don't care about have been harmed by losing their business, or their jobs, or their support systems, etc...
if you read what I wrote and you responded to. You can clearly tell that I believe if this long quarantine truly prevented people from getting exposed then we are going to get a second wave of this when we get back to normal and increase our exposure. So that those people who might temporarily not have been exposed to it. Will run the risk again when more people start getting back together.

But you just decided to ignore that aspect of my argument and power through with your accusation that I'm selfish and don't care about peoples lives