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Bandit said:
Maybe I’m being thick but it seems like he just used bad data? I’m not getting the drama the article is trying to create by exposing the family ties. What am I missing?
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It wasn't just bad data, it wasn't real data. Most of the institutes that they claimed to get the data from denied any relationship with them. The real issue is that the Lancet and the New England Journal of medicine published those findings despite the numerous red flags surrounding the company who published the results. The findings led to an immediate halt in trials regarding Hydroxychloroquinine, which only just recently started up again. This is actually a pretty big deal that goes beyond Covid19.

Here is a link about it: Surgisphere: mass audit of papers linked to firm behind hydroxychloroquine Lancet study scandal
 
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HeadInjury said:
The studies were flat out false, purported to be based on data they couldn't possibly have. When the publications asked for access to the data, the authors said that they couldn't provide it, due to confidentiality agreements.

Here's a bit of an explanation from the New York Times:

"Critics were quick to point out anomalies in both pieces of research, including implausible findings that should have been detected during the peer review process — like the registry’s apparent inclusion of a large number of Covid-19 cases very early on in the pandemic, even in Africa, where few hospitals have electronic health records. . . . Many researchers were astonished to find out that such a database could exist, or that the gathering and analysis of tens of thousands of medical records on multiple continents could have been carried out so quickly."

Two Huge Covid-19 Studies Are Retracted After Scientists Sound Alarms
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crassbonanza said:
It wasn't just bad data, it wasn't real data. Most of the institutes that they claimed to get the data from denied any relationship with them. The real issue is that the Lancet and the New England Journal of medicine published those findings despite the numerous red flags surrounding the company who published the results. The findings led to an immediate halt in trials regarding Hydroxychloroquinine, which only just recently started up again. This is actually a pretty big deal that goes beyond Covid19.

Here is a link about it: Surgisphere: mass audit of papers linked to firm behind hydroxychloroquine Lancet study scandal
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Got it, thanks. Maybe it was just late but I was getting confused by the whole "he's related to so & so' bit. Yeah that does seem like a big problem. I'm surprised that unwillingness to provide data isn't cause for an outright rejection for publication. Even when it concerns HIPAA you'd think a major publication like that would have to employ doctors with that kind of clearance to avoid situations exactly like this.
 
People are still talking about this, it is so strange to see. What with the cure already being available and the fact that it seems to pick and chose who and when it wants to be dangerous I thought that this thing would be long gone from here by now. Not judging, it just feels weird but then I am in an area and a state that gave up on Covid a long time ago so that could be part of it.
 
ricardfromage said:
People are still talking about this, it is so strange to see. What with the cure already being available and the fact that it seems to pick and chose who and when it wants to be dangerous I thought that this thing would be long gone from here by now. Not judging, it just feels weird but then I am in an area and a state that gave up on Covid a long time ago so that could be part of it.
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:huh:
 
crassbonanza said:
It wasn't just bad data, it wasn't real data. Most of the institutes that they claimed to get the data from denied any relationship with them. The real issue is that the Lancet and the New England Journal of medicine published those findings despite the numerous red flags surrounding the company who published the results. The findings led to an immediate halt in trials regarding Hydroxychloroquinine, which only just recently started up again. This is actually a pretty big deal that goes beyond Covid19.

Here is a link about it: Surgisphere: mass audit of papers linked to firm behind hydroxychloroquine Lancet study scandal
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Sapan Desai sounds like a regular Frank Abagnale (airline pilot, doctor, lawyer from Catch me if You Can).

Desai should do some serious time in prison.
 
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Another really bad death day in OC
13 deaths, only 6 were SNF

So over the past two days there were 14 non snf deaths

ouch!
 
ricardfromage said:
People are still talking about this, it is so strange to see. What with the cure already being available and the fact that it seems to pick and chose who and when it wants to be dangerous I thought that this thing would be long gone from here by now. Not judging, it just feels weird but then I am in an area and a state that gave up on Covid a long time ago so that could be part of it.
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Hope you didn't do the Clorox vaccine .... thing... :D
 
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Are we still flattening the curve? What is the point of this? Are we going to end the virus by staying home and drinking? Or have we just been delaying the inevitable that will occur once we fully open back up again?

So sick of people focusing on how many people one virus kills and why we need to shut everything down because of this new one. People get sick, people die, it sucks but it's the way life works. We have become so soft and priveleged that any negative thing that happens to us we have to freak out and overreact to.

A little more effort focusing and higlighting the positive things in life and A little more grit and resolve facing the tough things in life, would go a long way towards all of us living a happier life
 
Rusty Batch said:
Are we still flattening the curve? What is the point of this? Are we going to end the virus by staying home and drinking? Or have we just been delaying the inevitable that will occur once we fully open back up again?

So sick of people focusing on how many people one virus kills and why we need to shut everything down because of this new one. People get sick, people die, it sucks but it's the way life works. We have become so soft and priveleged that any negative thing that happens to us we have to freak out and overreact to.

A little more effort focusing and higlighting the positive things in life and A little more grit and resolve facing the tough things in life, would go a long way towards all of us living a happier life
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Not really sure what you mean here given we're continually opening more and more in spite of again-rising death rates:

 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Not really sure what you mean here given we're continually opening more and more in spite of again-rising death rates:

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Three months later and my kids still can't play sports. Schools appear to be planning for no sports NEXT school year. We still can't watch our favorite professional sports. Lots of things outside of sports too. Still seem to have to wear masks, can't eat at restraunts, etc... Lots of peoples businesses are on the breaking point. Two of the ice rinks in my area have been permanently closed, etc...
 
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Rusty Batch said:
Three months later and my kids still can't play sports. Schools appear to be planning for no sports NEXT school year. We still can't watch our favorite professional sports. Lots of things outside of sports too. Still seem to have to wear masks, can't eat at restraunts, etc... Lots of peoples businesses are on the breaking point. Two of the ice rinks in my area have been permanently closed, etc...
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I'm not saying this to rub it in but I totally get that, I just played my first hockey game in months and it was the best feeling I've had since March. Recreation is starting to open up bigtime. Schools are supposed to be in for the fall, not sure what sports will look like then either but I can't imagine they're just completely turfed--I know college sports are going to be iffy since college campuses are going to be mostly online it seems. Lot of "maybes" to come in the rec world. So I understand that's frustrating, as well as the collateral damage (especially to the hockey community with well-historied rinks closing). Masks are mostly just recommended not required but I don't understand why THAT part is such a hindrance if we can start doing everything else--restaurants are opening at lower capacities, businesses are starting to come back...I'm not going to pretend its at all sunshine and roses and I totally get your frustration. I guess my point was only that things are opening with great speed now because we handled it well before while some other states (IE Arizona) are starting to spiral out of control and will likely be taking steps backwards. "what's the point of all this" is hopefully that we got it all out of the way up front instead of back and forth repeatedly.
 
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