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SlowFatandOld said:
I’ve read them, I just don’t agree. I think that if people want to send there kids to school in an overwhelming majority as voted on in our school district it should happen. Anyone who doesn’t want to participate shouldn’t. How is that so offensive to anyone personally? You don’t teach in my district, you don’t have to send your kids to school even if you do live in my district.

If anyone wants to hide from this and they feel that’s the best solution go for it. Just don’t make me live by the choices you have made. Our paths are perfectly capable of not crossing if we both do what we want.

I’m perfectly fine with you believing whatever the hell you want to believe. I think that’s great you choosing what’s best for you and your family. Just don’t fall under the impression you can do the same for me.
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That's exactly the point though. You're free to disagree. Plenty do. But this is a discussion board and it's about how you disagree. If you flatly dismiss anything that comes your way, it's not a discussion. No one is discounting your right to disagree--we're just pointing out that there's more to it and how it affects others. It's not about being offended, most posters here are regulars for a decade or more and have pretty thick skin from 40 years of Kings suckage and decades of pinata-ing each other for fun.

I'm just thinking regardless of what your district parents have voted you should be personally prepared for minimal attendance and no amount of yelling about what babies educators are is going to change that. You'd probably have better luck with a more-well-reasoned approach.
 
KINGS17 said:
Yeah, but we all have to remember this is just the first volunteers to receive this particular vaccine. Changing the formula, the dosage, etc. could make it a one-shot vaccine, or the one in this study may have side effects for people who are not as healthy as those in the trial. Any news like this right now is good news though.
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The other reason it's good news imo is that I know we're conditioned to think of vaccines as 100% effective on their own but anyone who gets the flu shot knows that isn't always the case, for example. What we're banking on is that it's yet another layer of protection to minimize the spread. Think of it as a supermask or something. Between slow-walking to herd immunity, protective measures, AND vaccines, and improved treatment measures including more relaxed healthcare professionals not dealing with a flood as well as any other divine intervention that comes our way (virus mutating into less lethal form for example), there's starting to look like a light at the end of the tunnel. The vaccine doing what they hoped it would do is a HUGE step.
 
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SlowFatandOld said:
I’ve read them, I just don’t agree. I think that if people want to send there kids to school in an overwhelming majority as voted on in our school district it should happen. Anyone who doesn’t want to participate shouldn’t. How is that so offensive to anyone personally? You don’t teach in my district, you don’t have to send your kids to school even if you do live in my district.

If anyone wants to hide from this and they feel that’s the best solution go for it. Just don’t make me live by the choices you have made. Our paths are perfectly capable of not crossing if we both do what we want.

I’m perfectly fine with you believing whatever the hell you want to believe. I think that’s great you choosing what’s best for you and your family. Just don’t fall under the impression you can do the same for me.
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You are talking about a public service. It’s not “every man for himself” by definition. Further it’s been pointed out that your “overwhelming majority” is disingenuous at best, but you keep touting it. Also:

- Aristotle was not Belgian
- The London Underground is not a political movement
 
Bandit said:
You are talking about a public service. It’s not “every man for himself” by definition. Further it’s been pointed out that your “overwhelming majority” is disingenuous at best, but you keep touting it. Also:

- Aristotle was not Belgian
- The London Underground is not a political movement
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How do you know it is disingenuous? You don’t even know what school district I am talking about.
 
Then what is the point of having us vote if you are going to do what you plan to do anyway. All that is going to do is piss people off. Especially when it is in contradiction to the results that were given.


How can riverside county and Orange County do one thing and LA and San Diego do another if it’s not every man for himself? Sounds exactly what it is.


Other “public servants “ firemen, cops, trash collectors, etc are all back at work in the same pre pandemic capacity why would schools be different?
 
LAKings88 said:
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Israel has particularly terrible numbers from opening schools.



Their situation is a serious reminder of what can happen if you don't open schools properly at this point in time. Students and staff were required to wear masks, but they didn't have the space to social distance properly and this is the result. Israel wasn't even hard hit either, they were down to less than 50 new cases a day in May. Now they are up to 1500 per day.

In-person school is vital, the data are clear on that. But to do it safely, class sizes need to be cut at least in half and students have to be in class substantially less time to accommodate cleaning and disinfecting. People are anxious to get back to work, but if openings are not done correctly their jobs are going to close right back down again when numbers shoot up to new highs.
 
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Fishhead said:
Israel has particularly terrible numbers from opening schools.



Their situation is a serious reminder of what can happen if you don't open schools properly at this point in time. Students and staff were required to wear masks, but they didn't have the space to social distance properly and this is the result. Israel wasn't even hard hit either, they were down to less than 50 new cases a day in May. Now they are up to 1500 per day.

In-person school is vital, the data are clear on that. But to do it safely, class sizes need to be cut at least in half and students have to be in class substantially less time to accommodate cleaning and disinfecting. People are anxious to get back to work, but if openings are not done correctly their jobs are going to close right back down again when numbers shoot up to new highs.
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I'd be more concerned about hospitalizations and death toll. And for Israel, the daily deaths are still in single digits.
But it remains to be seen if those numbers will hold.
 
LT Dan said:
Cases = hospitalizations= deaths

The only question is do they overwhelm their system
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Actually, it's more like

Cases (C) = Hospitalizations (H) [n% x C], and

Deaths (D) = H x p%

We just don't know what the variables n and p will be in the future. The value of these variables will be reduced as more effective treatments are discovered, and the number of cases among younger people who tolerate the virus much better increases.

BTW, everyone MRNA is up 10% today based on vaccine trial news out yesterday.
 
LT Dan said:
Cases = hospitalizations= deaths

The only question is do they overwhelm their system
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If people testing positive are overwhelmingly the younger/healthier population, then hospitalization rates will probably be much lower than before.
Just a glance at the numbers, however accurate they may or may not be, show that the current surge in confirmed positive cases hasn't necessarily led to the same large spike in deaths. At least not yet.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Actually, it's more like

Cases (C) = Hospitalizations (H) [n% x C], and

Deaths (D) = H x p%

We just don't know what the variables n and p will be in the future. .
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Absolutely

The (estimate)death rate has been somewhat constant, it has dipped a little but just like with farming, the more seeds that are planted the more that is harvested later

Master Yoda said:
If people testing positive are overwhelmingly the younger/healthier population, then hospitalization rates will probably be much lower than before.
Just a glance at the numbers, however accurate they may or may not be, show that the current surge in confirmed positive cases hasn't necessarily led to the same large spike in deaths. At least not yet.
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Idk if we are going to see the same spikes ever that we say at the beginning in NY and NJ, but these are still bodies in the hospital and ICU that could strain the system
 
LT Dan said:
Good news on the admissions

Did he say how much the deaths were up?
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The death data that has been shared with me is not broken down per facility but overall throughout all affiliated hospitals, so I don't know where they are occurring. The admission data is per facility. The death numbers reported Monday were more than Saturday and Sunday combined. (But that may just be the Weekend Effect). Today's numbers are higher than yesterday. About 25% increase. In comparison to that day last week where deaths went through the roof, these numbers are lower.
 
I mean I know we're more concerned about deaths than cases but you also have to consider the state of US health care.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I mean I know we're more concerned about deaths than cases but you also have to consider the state of US health care.
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That’s a big concern. As Lt. Dan has posted (multiple times now), there are also very real concerns with long term effects of catching the virus even if people don’t die.

Doubt is being cast on the possibility of herd immunity based on evidence showing that the antibodies don’t last long, so just letting a bunch of younger people get sick (even if they die at a lower rate) isn’t a great solution.
 
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LAKings88 said:
Coronavirus warning from Italy: Effects of COVID-19 could be worse than first thought


"So we are seeing other acute manifestations of renal failure that require dialysis; or stroke, and then acute myocardial infarction, so a lot of complications or other manifestations of the virus.
"And also now we see a significant proportion of the population with chronic damage from the virus."
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What are the age demographics? Are these generally people over 70, with pre-existing conditions?
 
KINGS17 said:
What are the age demographics? Are these generally people over 70, with pre-existing conditions?
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way down in the article age was mentioned but nothing about co-moborbidities

Researchers identified serious neurological complications arising from COVID-19 including delirium, brain inflammation, stroke and nerve damage in 43 people aged 16 to 85.
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This article is mirroring what we are seeing in the US same symptoms that aren't just lower respiratory
"In our hospital now we have a practice with immunologists, who are checking these patients, especially the most severe, those with the most severe illnesses, and they are checking not only lungs, but all the systemic manifestations of COVID pathology," she told me.
"The virus is a systemic infection, some of our apparatus organs have the biggest manifestation, such as lungs as we know, but also brain, skin, and sometimes we have vasculitis, so it's not [just] high respiratory or low respiratory infection, it's not finished [at] that," she said.
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King'sPawn said:
So one person derailingbthe thread. Everyone's responding so it's a mishmash. I have my answer of ignoring this thread.
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Yah, which is a shame because it was actually doing quite well. I'm out unless this crap gets cleaned up. I don't mind a different point of view but when you're very clearly trolling after 3 pages, I don't think you should get the benefit of the doubt from the moderators. It's just annoying noise at that point.
 
Jason Squirties said:
Yah, which is a shame because it was actually doing quite well. I'm out unless this crap gets cleaned up. I don't mind a different point of view but when you're very clearly trolling after 3 pages, I don't think you should get the benefit of the doubt from the moderators. It's just annoying noise at that point.
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Ignore list works, it makes life better.
 
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