I agree Jagr was in a bad position and had no time to avoid the hit as Ruutu hit him. Clearly a Boarding/Charging penalty in my eyes. Good call by the Ref, espessially as the major is automaticly when boarding results in injury. Giving Straka 2 for Roughing had been enough though.
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Kostik said:Of course it was. Clean hit at all, no sing that ruutu wanted to injury him, ruutu was not coming from behind, it really was not coward cheap shot.
ruutu is really classy player and everyone likes him, he didn't use cheapshots in past...great hockey player, not only agressive goon.
You are right, he wasn't coming from behind, he was coming from the side. Also, if you look at the pics and, more importantly, the clip that people have kindly provided us you can clearly see that Jagr put his head down only moments before Ruutu hit him. He was already coming towards him and had stopped skating and was just gliding towards him at that point. Also, you can see that he did not hit Jagr's head. Nor did he use his elbow.
We've already ruled out charging, boarding, checking to the head and checking from behind here and I don't know what's left. I understand the penalty given in the game, but if Ruutu receives additional suspension, it would just be wrong.
No one is saying that Jarkko Ruutu is classy (they man was, after all, the holder of the record for the most penalty minutes in the finnish league before this season and before Matt Nickerson came to Finland) or anything like that, but you can't argue against the facts (well, you can, but that's pretty retarted) and the facts are: the hit was clean. Maybe pointless, but clean.
Only thing that's making this bad in any way is the fact that the hitter is a known cheapshot and agitator, as people put it, and the "victim" is the leading scorer in the NHL at the moment and one of the best players in this tournament. And that's just unfair.
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007 said:
Please look at the video links of the hit. Please.
Hard, but clean. No charging, no boarding.
Unfortunate result, but everybody's ok.
Simple again.
And yes, as an old American Football player I
like giving and receiving clean kisses. So I'm
very proud of Ruutu's hit.
Not about the fact that JJ was hurt, but very
proud of the tackle. Took the spirit out of the
opponent. It's Ruutu's job.
MartinFr said:How can you protect a guy who throws in this coward hit? The hit was useless and you just don't go after a guy like that, it's just that simple.
What was cowardly about the hit? JJ is a very
big guy, he made a mistake of dropping his head
and was hit.
It serves absolutely no purpose to call a clean hit illegal. No matter what nationality you are, or what team you root for.
People should watch the clips and think about it, without bias.
Is it a boarding? No, he is at the boards.
Does Ruutu aim for the head? No, he hits Jagr's shoulder or side.
Is it checking from behind? No, Ruutu hits his shoulder from the side, not behind.
Is it a charging? No, Ruutu actually slides into him...he does not take additional steps to increase speed. It would have been bad even with less speed, but the hit was not done with top speed at all.
It is unfortunate and sad that one of the best players gets a small injury, but the hit is still clean. Jagr's injury does not make it illegal. If there is ANYTHING against the rules in that hit, please point it out. People are reacting too strongly on the fact that a superstar got cut. Penalties and overall judgement should still be based on rules, not on a "feeling". I know I would be pissed off if someone dropped Selänne, but if it was clean, I would not ***** about it. That's hockey.
People should watch the clips and think about it, without bias.
Is it a boarding? No, he is at the boards.
Does Ruutu aim for the head? No, he hits Jagr's shoulder or side.
Is it checking from behind? No, Ruutu hits his shoulder from the side, not behind.
Is it a charging? No, Ruutu actually slides into him...he does not take additional steps to increase speed. It would have been bad even with less speed, but the hit was not done with top speed at all.
It is unfortunate and sad that one of the best players gets a small injury, but the hit is still clean. Jagr's injury does not make it illegal. If there is ANYTHING against the rules in that hit, please point it out. People are reacting too strongly on the fact that a superstar got cut. Penalties and overall judgement should still be based on rules, not on a "feeling". I know I would be pissed off if someone dropped Selänne, but if it was clean, I would not ***** about it. That's hockey.
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MartinFr said:How can you protect a guy who throws in this coward hit? The hit was useless and you just don't go after a guy like that, it's just that simple.
If you would be kind enough to read my previous post, it's right above yours. There's some points there, and I'd like to see you argue them. And more so, I would like you to offer me something that actually PROVES my points wrong.
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It really doesn't matter. Ruutu will pay and if he doesn't and Jagr misses any time due to this injury, I'm pretty sure the Rangers will make Vancouver pay when we play them. Either way Ruutu is paying.
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NightScout said:
I agree on boarding, checking to the head and checking from behind. Where I disagree is that I think it was definitely charging: he took several steps towards Jagr and only stopped skating to line up the hit. Plus, the only possible function of that hit was to hurt Jagr or injure him. If Ruutu really wanted to advance the play (perhaps he didn't know that Finland had a delayed penalty coming up), he could have easily gone for the puck. I'm all in favour of Ruutu taking a suspension for this hit.
I don't think Jagr seemed to be too badly hurt, so I'm mostly pissed off because this bull**** is clouding a great win for Finland.
MartinFr said:How can you protect a guy who throws in this coward hit? The hit was useless and you just don't go after a guy like that, it's just that simple.
What was wrong with the hit? What hockey rules did it break?
I guess two equals several. Could the function have been to dispossess the other team's best player of the puck in a dangerous situation in Finland's own end? Of course not - because it's headhunter-Ruutu who never does anything besides cheapshots and such.007 said:
psycho_dad said:
personally I just find the hit stupid, I know hockey is a tough sport since I have played it for several years but you just don't go after a guy like that.
Jagr was had his eyes on the puck and there was allready a player there right behind him.
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007 said:
How is that? I mean Jagr was still standing up when Ruutu was aiming for him. If you hit a guy who's standing up, the possibility of you hurting or injuring him is pretty slim. Jarkko was just going for the hit, like he always does, with no more intention to hurt anyone than he usually does.
And he does it. He goes for hits that other wouldn't go to, and rarely injures anyone. That's the way he plays. He does it to agitate others, throw them off their game and this time it just had an unfortunate result, but in no way was that hit dirty or that result intented.
Sure, I have no proof, but neither does anyone else. And by what you see in that video clip, accident just seems so much more logical and likely than intent to injure.
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Good game, glad Finland got the win, the Jere-Saku-Teemu line looked great tonight, wonder if its possible for them to set it up another gear still? Credit to Jere and Selanne for getting the goals, but just thought i'd give props to Saku for doing a few things out there which really helped his team which no-one seems to have given him credit for here.
firstly, great work along the boards all night, good to see all that hard work capitalised by his linemates. Secondly, although i haven't seen the relevant stats yet, I can't recall an occassion in the game tonight where Saku lost a faceoff, i'm sure it must have happened on a couple of occassions but it looked like he won the vast majority of them tonight.
Anyways, well done Finland, i hope they get far and some more of their games are shown over here. Also, hope Jagr will be ok, be a shame if he can't finish the tournament.
firstly, great work along the boards all night, good to see all that hard work capitalised by his linemates. Secondly, although i haven't seen the relevant stats yet, I can't recall an occassion in the game tonight where Saku lost a faceoff, i'm sure it must have happened on a couple of occassions but it looked like he won the vast majority of them tonight.
Anyways, well done Finland, i hope they get far and some more of their games are shown over here. Also, hope Jagr will be ok, be a shame if he can't finish the tournament.
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MartinFr said:
Well, you said (twice) "you just don't go after A PLAYER LIKE THAT".
Now, I guess that could mean two things, but people probably thought you meant "A player like Jagr" as in "you don't hit good players".
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MartinFr said:If I'd ment Jagr then I would probably say "A player like him".....................
I know that, but not everyone here is as good at English as I am
Sorry, my bad. (I'd insert a smiley here if I could)MartinFr said:If I'd ment Jagr then I would probably say "A player like him".....................
MartinFr said:If I'd ment Jagr then I would probably say "A player like him".....................
People go "after a player like that" every night in the NHL. You hit when you can, and if you can lay a good, legal hit on a key player, you do it. Especially if that player is known to be scared of physical contact.
What Ruutu did was right. He wanted to get Jagr pissed off. He probably would have been, if his ancient helmet had not cut his scalp. It is NOT Jarkko's fault. He followed every rule there is.
psycho_dad said:
Boarding doesn't have anything to do with how far from the boards you are, It says in the rulebook that if a player (Jagr) is thrown in to the boards viciously there's a boarding call. Looks to me that Jagr sin't so near as his head crushes in to the board as he turns a bit and slams them head first.
Charging however has to do with how many steps you take before hitting someone. In this case Ruutu have speed going round the net, then takes like 7 or 8 steps to catch up to his defenseman but as the play turns around again he just turns and then takes two extra steps just to go checking Jagr in a vulnerable position.
So I think thar either Boarding or Charging is a correct penalty in this case..
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blacklabel said:
yeah those pics tell a different story, the initial contact is shoulder to shoulder, it's just the positioning of jagr and the follow through of the hit that drives his head into the boards. still dirty, but not a headshot as i originally thought.
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