GDT: Blues hosting Kings: Qdoba edition

[bleedblue1223]

Our problems are much deeper than any single player.

 

[TheOrganist]

I just got home and this isn't really difficult to dissect after watching the game live.

The Kings forwards >>>> the Blues forwards. That's really where it begins and ends.

LA's forwards are hungry and determined in all three zones. Hungry on the forecheck. Hungry to get to the front of the net from the moment they enter the offensive zone. The Blues' 5 on 5 offensive zone play consists entirely of perimeter D to D passes, pucks thrown below the goal line, and weak shots from the point or the wall that are blocked 80% of the time.

It was just amazing to watch LA's forwards versus ours. Enough of this "crease clearer" garbage. Our defense was actually solid tonight despite the lopsided shot total.

LA's forwards have a determination to get to the dangerous scoring areas which creates all kinds of second chance opportunities. Our 6'4" center is demoted to the 4th line. That's the difference.

I don't where to go from here. They have no money and so many holes.

 

[Benighted]

Pavelski is already 28 whereas Perron is only 24 and already producing at a 60 point rate. I don't get why you would trade Perron for Pavelski

He can play center, he is a great two way player, he is a PROVEN goal scorer, he does not take dumb offensive penalties. These are 4 things you can not say about perron.

 

[Benighted]

Our problems are much deeper than any single player.

100%. Unfortunately we got to start moving/fixing the problems and that can not get done in one swipe.

 

[sbet1998]

Im pretty sure that when I say that the team isnt buying into the team game that is needed to win, Im correct. The talent is there, there's a ton of depth up front. They may, however, do so if they get to the playoffs and are forced to.

The problem, IMO, is quite simply that they have a lot of guys that are young and havent reached their peak. People forget how young this team is. You cant get to the promised land on 25 and younger teams. They have to keep this core together and get lucky with cheap vets and great goaltending.

Guys like Backes and Oshie or McDonald's limp McChicken nothappenins' play even with BBQ sauce cant make these guys get there any faster. This is a team run on a budget so we all have to hope for the perfect storm.

 

[brendan]

He can play center, he is a great two way player, he is a PROVEN goal scorer, he does not take dumb offensive penalties. These are 4 things you can not say about perron.

But he's 28 and very likely hit his max potential. Perron is still growing as a player and is much more talented than Pavelski. A trade like that would do wonders for the Sharks long term.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Pavelski isn't going to turn the team around. We don't need more 2nd line caliber offense. That's what Perron and Pavelski both are right now.

 

[superblues]

I just got home and this isn't really difficult to dissect after watching the game live.

The Kings forwards >>>> the Blues forwards. That's really where it begins and ends.

LA's forwards are hungry and determined in all three zones. Hungry on the forecheck. Hungry to get to the front of the net from the moment they enter the offensive zone. The Blues' 5 on 5 offensive zone play consists entirely of perimeter D to D passes, pucks thrown below the goal line, and weak shots from the point or the wall that are blocked 80% of the time.

It was just amazing to watch LA's forwards versus ours. Enough of this "crease clearer" garbage. Our defense was actually solid tonight despite the lopsided shot total.

LA's forwards have a determination to get to the dangerous scoring areas which creates all kinds of second chance opportunities. Our 6'4" center is demoted to the 4th line. That's the difference.

I don't where to go from here. They have no money and so many holes.

Berglund was never going to be the big, strong, net-front power forward many people expected him to be because of his size. He just doesn't throw his weight around like that. Hasn't since I've been watching him.

Unfortunately, he's also not a playmaking center like many people expect centers to be.

So what is Berglund's game then?

 

[Benighted]

Pavelski isn't going to turn the team around. We don't need more 2nd line caliber offense. That's what Perron and Pavelski both are right now.

Well we certainly are not going to find someone to sell us top tier offensive ability at a price our front office can afford. The only player on our entire roster to score at that rate is David Backes. You have to start shuffling the deck at some point here.

 

[Benighted]

But he's 28 and very likely hit his max potential. Perron is still growing as a player and is much more talented than Pavelski. A trade like that would do wonders for the Sharks long term.

Please link me to a statistic or piece of valid support that shows me perron is VERY LIKELY to hit his max potential and is much more talented in Pavelski. I will be waiting in anticipation.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I think one thing we need to remember is that this shortened season just sucks because everything is magnified. If this were a regular season, we'd have 50 more games to figure stuff out. We wouldn't be talking about blowing up the team, or panicking, etc.

The "buying back in" isn't going to happen overnight. I think for the most part, many of our players did play a much better game then we've seen from them this year. LA is just super talented and skilled, and simply better then us at the same game. Thanks to Paul Holmgren, they basically lucked into having their core, and 1/2 of Philly's core. (Who both signed pretty nice long term hometown discounts) Think how good the Blues would be if Phoenix called us up one day and said, "Hey, how about we trade you Yandle and OEL for Jaskin, Rattie, Cole, and two first round picks? Sound good to you?"

If AMac played any D at all tonight, and Halak was more then a mediocre goalie, we would have at least gotten a point imo. But I'm not ready to go off and trade our core players at this point "Just to do it."

 

[superblues]

But he's 28 and very likely hit his max potential. Perron is still growing as a player and is much more talented than Pavelski. A trade like that would do wonders for the Sharks long term.

No thank you, ever. I cannot tolerate anything that would benefit the Sharks.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

Berglund was never going to be the big, strong, net-front power forward many people expected him to be because of his size. He just doesn't throw his weight around like that. Hasn't since I've been watching him.

Unfortunately, he's also not a playmaking center like many people expect centers to be.

So what is Berglund's game then?

He's a 3rd/Fringe 2nd-line center who plays a decent 2-way game.

 

[Benighted]

Berglund was never going to be the big, strong, net-front power forward many people expected him to be because of his size. He just doesn't throw his weight around like that. Hasn't since I've been watching him.

Unfortunately, he's also not a playmaking center like many people expect centers to be.

So what is Berglund's game then?

I believe his game is: look unstoppable for 3 games and then disappear for weeks at a time.

 

[Big Al 2]

Our problems are much deeper than any single player.

Exactly right! A few bright spots on the team, we know who they are, the rest play with vaginas between their legs

 

[Benighted]

I think one thing we need to remember is that this shortened season just sucks because everything is magnified. If this were a regular season, we'd have 50 more games to figure stuff out. We wouldn't be talking about blowing up the team, or panicking, etc.

The "buying back in" isn't going to happen overnight. I think for the most part, many of our players did play a much better game then we've seen from them this year. LA is just super talented and skilled, and simply better then us at the same game. Thanks to Paul Holmgren, they basically lucked into having their core, and 1/2 of Philly's core. (Who both signed pretty nice long term hometown discounts) Think how good the Blues would be if Phoenix called us up one day and said, "Hey, how about we trade you Yandle and OEL for Jaskin, Rattie, Cole, and two first round picks? Sound good to you?"

If AMac played any D at all tonight, and Halak was more then a mediocre goalie, we would have at least gotten a point imo. But I'm not ready to go off and trade our core players at this point "Just to do it."

That analogy is terrible. In what world does jaskin, rattie, cole and 2 1sts = brayden schenn, wayne simmonds, jack johnson and 2 1sts?

 

[Tryblot]

St. Louis has the pieces to make deals like LA has done. It's not the right time to make these big moves yet. In a couple years when Jaskin and Rattie are ready to step in, Schwartz and Tarasenko have matured and the rest of the core is in their prime is when you trade the pieces necessary to put them over the top. Hopefully the money situation is better figured out by then.

Last year was a fluke year, it gained the team some valuable experience and if this team can make the playoffs the next couple of years whether they go out in the first round or slip by the first round, it will help the team grow together. Then when the feel is you are right on the cusp, you trade whats needed to get that #1 Dman or #1 center.

In a couple years a package of Perron + Rattie + first or some variation of that depending on who is performing well with the team and who's on the outside looking in make the deal for a Jeff Carter and Mike Richards.

I'd rather see the team only trade someone like Mcdonald and maybe Halak. Let Schwartz play in the top 6 and give Allen the 1A position with Elliott as backup. Or trade Halak for an aging vet like Khabibulin and let Allen learn from him as much as he can.

I don't think now is the time to make any decisions.

 

[superblues]

St. Louis has the pieces to make deals like LA has done. It's not the right time to make these big moves yet. In a couple years when Jaskin and Rattie are ready to step in, Schwartz and Tarasenko have matured and the rest of the core is in their prime is when you trade the pieces necessary to put them over the top. Hopefully the money situation is better figured out by then.

Last year was a fluke year, it gained the team some valuable experience and if this team can make the playoffs the next couple of years whether they go out in the first round or slip by the first round, it will help the team grow together. Then when the feel is you are right on the cusp, you trade whats needed to get that #1 Dman or #1 center.

In a couple years a package of Perron + Rattie + first or some variation of that depending on who is performing well with the team and who's on the outside looking in make the deal for a Jeff Carter and Mike Richards.

I'd rather see the team only trade someone like Mcdonald and maybe Halak. Let Schwartz play in the top 6 and give Allen the 1A position with Elliott as backup. Or trade Halak for an aging vet like Khabibulin and let Allen learn from him as much as he can.

I don't think now is the time to make any decisions.

Very reasonable and prudent post.

 

[Benighted]

St. Louis has the pieces to make deals like LA has done. It's not the right time to make these big moves yet. In a couple years when Jaskin and Rattie are ready to step in, Schwartz and Tarasenko have matured and the rest of the core is in their prime is when you trade the pieces necessary to put them over the top. Hopefully the money situation is better figured out by then.

Last year was a fluke year, it gained the team some valuable experience and if this team can make the playoffs the next couple of years whether they go out in the first round or slip by the first round, it will help the team grow together. Then when the feel is you are right on the cusp, you trade whats needed to get that #1 Dman or #1 center.

In a couple years a package of Perron + Rattie + first or some variation of that depending on who is performing well with the team and who's on the outside looking in make the deal for a Jeff Carter and Mike Richards.

I'd rather see the team only trade someone like Mcdonald and maybe Halak. Let Schwartz play in the top 6 and give Allen the 1A position with Elliott as backup. Or trade Halak for an aging vet like Khabibulin and let Allen learn from him as much as he can.

I don't think now is the time to make any decisions.

You do not fluke into finishing second in the entire NHL over 82 games and then make it into the second round.

 

[brendan]

St. Louis has the pieces to make deals like LA has done. It's not the right time to make these big moves yet. In a couple years when Jaskin and Rattie are ready to step in, Schwartz and Tarasenko have matured and the rest of the core is in their prime is when you trade the pieces necessary to put them over the top. Hopefully the money situation is better figured out by then.

Last year was a fluke year, it gained the team some valuable experience and if this team can make the playoffs the next couple of years whether they go out in the first round or slip by the first round, it will help the team grow together. Then when the feel is you are right on the cusp, you trade whats needed to get that #1 Dman or #1 center.

In a couple years a package of Perron + Rattie + first or some variation of that depending on who is performing well with the team and who's on the outside looking in make the deal for a Jeff Carter and Mike Richards.

I'd rather see the team only trade someone like Mcdonald and maybe Halak. Let Schwartz play in the top 6 and give Allen the 1A position with Elliott as backup. Or trade Halak for an aging vet like Khabibulin and let Allen learn from him as much as he can.

I don't think now is the time to make any decisions.

Last year wasn't a fluke. The only fluke we saw last year was Elliott

 

[sbet1998]

We've gone from the overspending Lauries to the cheap depths of the Predators. It sucks. I love hockey more than baseball, but Im not sure the NHL is sustainable here.

I hope to everything that the Rams leave. That might put the Blues in a better position with the corporate game.

 

[BlueDream]

LOL Perron having 80 point potential is the funniest thing I've read all year. Keep dreaming.

Why would anyone be opposed to getting Joe Pavelski? He would be literally perfect on this team. Playoff performer, consistent scorer, experienced but not old, great defensively, etc. You guys have wanted a center like him all year and now you change your mind because he's not a top line player? You sure change your minds a lot. We aren't getting a superstar player...

I'm sick of seeing the same stuff on here. We know one particular player isn't the problem, that's completely obvious. But you can't trade the whole team.

 

[BlueDream]

Last year wasn't a fluke. The only fluke we saw last year was Elliott

And Halak.

Some of you guys can keep waiting for him to get good though and actually win us something. Won't happen.

 

[Benighted]

LOL Perron having 80 point potential is the funniest thing I've read all year. Keep dreaming.

Why would anyone be opposed to getting Joe Pavelski? He would be literally perfect on this team. Playoff performer, consistent scorer, experienced but not old, great defensively, etc. You guys have wanted a center like him all year and now you change your mind because he's not a top line player? You sure change your minds a lot. We aren't getting a superstar player...

I'm sick of seeing the same stuff on here. We know one particular player isn't the problem, that's completely obvious. But you can't trade the whole team.

This. So much this it isn't even funny.

 

[Benighted]

And Halak.

Some of you guys can keep waiting for him to get good though and actually win us something. Won't happen.

Agreed. Halak is a 1B at best. Here's to praying Allen is a 1A! No pressure kid.