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Value of: Gaudreau for Lindholm?

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RamsNducks said:
Just curious if both franchises can't get both players signed? Is there anyway we can do a swap?

Is it equal value? Franchise forward for franchise Defenseman.

Anaheim is desperate for wing players. And Flames needs a franchise D as well. Hence the Trouba posts in the other threads by flames being interested.

If both clubs can't make a deal with each player being RFA. Would this value work?
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Not happening Gaudreau wants $8 million per long term, And Lindholm wants around $6.5 million per long term. And besides it sounds like Gaudreau wants to play closer to home on the east coast eventually.
 
RamsNducks said:
And this is why I thought it was worth a thread. I've seen flames fans in on Trouba. So why not upgrade to Lindholm at this point. We got two pending RFAs who haven't signed Lindholm And Gaudreau. Makes sense in my eyes value for value. If you want a franchise D well here you go.
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We can barely afford Lindholm and Rakell, so how does trading Lindholm for a guy asking for 8 mil make any sense for us? If you only care about value in a vacuum, then fine, but those conversations go no where.

Beninho said:
Gaudreau is already a ppg player, he's the best 3 on 3 player in the league, he's been an all star his first 2 years, has won a playoff series and scored 9 points in 11 playoff games as a rookie. Has shown to be able to perform when the lights are the brightest. You don't give up a player like this for a Dman when your team already has an abundance of them. when the #1 LW is arguably already a top 4 if not top 3 player in his position and the Dman isn't in the top 20 seems like a bit of bad value for the flames huh?
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And Lindholm is a top pairing defensemen at a young age. Top pairing D > PPG wingers. Leo Komarov was an all star as well. Lindholm went to the WCF and beat the Flames in the playoffs... Doesn't Gaudreau have a terrible away point record?

It's fine to not want to trade Gaudreau for Lindholm because you have an abudance of D, but thinking Gaudreau holds more value is crazy.

WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
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Well because he's a top 3 LW. And Lindholm is not a top 10 D.
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(Can't figure out how to post a gif on here...but it's a gif if Lindholm stopping a 4 on 1 against the Flames and against Gaudreau...)

Gaudreau is not a top 3 LW, lol. And again, top pairing D > top line LW in pure value.


King In The North said:
Putting pettiness aside, just doesn't make sense for either team.
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Agreed with you there.
 
RamsNducks said:
Just curious if both franchises can't get both players signed? Is there anyway we can do a swap?

Is it equal value? Franchise forward for franchise Defenseman.

Anaheim is desperate for wing players. And Flames needs a franchise D as well. Hence the Trouba posts in the other threads by flames being interested.

If both clubs can't make a deal with each player being RFA. Would this value work?
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Yes, because Giordano, Brodie, and Hamilton are short term options.

Calgary is not trading Gaudreau, especially for Lindholm. Don't need another dman (unless it's a reasonably priced #4 who can play more of a shutdown role, but Jokipakka may be able to fill that).
 
dracom said:
thinking Gaudreau holds more value is crazy.
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Yea, because PPG 22 year old wingers are just a dime a dozen. Not at all like Lindholm. Oh wait, there are about a dozen young D that are better than him.

dracom said:
Gaudreau is not a top 3 LW, lol. And again, top pairing D > top line LW in pure value.
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What's so laughable about the suggestion that he is a top 3 LW? Can you name 3 LW'ers in the game today who are better?
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Yea, because PPG 22 year old wingers are just a dime a dozen. Not at all like Lindholm. Oh wait, there are about a dozen young D that are better than him.



What's so laughable about the suggestion that he is a top 3 LW? Can you name 3 LW'ers in the game today who are better?
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A dozen young defensemen better than Lindholm? Really? Ekblad is probably the only one you can make that argument for. Unless you're going to count players who haven't played in the NHL and just go by potential.

Ovi, Benn, Hall, Forsberg, Marchand, Landeskog are all better than Gaudreau, since there's more to being a good player than putting up points and making fancy dekes. Players who can put up points away from their own barn is pretty big thing as well.
 
InfinityIggy said:
Do people really view Linholm as a potential Franchise D?
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Absolutely. I'm not sure which young defensemen would qualify if he doesn't. There are virtually no shortcomings to his potential, and his elite hockey IQ that he displays playing the position at that age absolutely warrants the "franchise potential" label.
 
Vipers31 said:
This could be fun.
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There are a ton of great U24 defenders in the league today, many of whom are objectively better than Lindholm.

Faulk
Jones
Ekblad
Rielly
Jones
Klingberg
Hamilton
Parayko
Murray
Gostisbehere
Larsson
Slavvin
Maatta
Klefbom
C Murphy

With Provorov, Hanifin, Werenski etc all on the way.
 
dracom said:
A dozen young defensemen better than Lindholm? Really? Ekblad is probably the only one you can make that argument for. Unless you're going to count players who haven't played in the NHL and just go by potential.

Ovi, Benn, Hall, Forsberg, Marchand, Landeskog are all better than Gaudreau, since there's more to being a good player than putting up points and making fancy dekes. Players who can put up points away from their own barn is pretty big thing as well.
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You are making yourself look silly.

edit: post 13,000 woohoo
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
There are a ton of great U24 defenders in the league today, many of whom are objectively better than Lindholm.

Faulk
Jones
Ekblad
Rielly
Jones
Klingberg
Hamilton
Parayko
Murray
Gostisbehere
Larsson
Slavvin
Maatta
Klefbom
C Murphy

With Provorov, Hanifin, Werenski etc all on the way.
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Ok, that's about as bad as expected.

Faulk is better, but wasn't ahead when he was Lindholm's age. Basically none of the other guys are better (some like Klingberg, Ghost and to a lesser degree Hamilton have singular dimensions where they are ahead, but clearly not overall), and most don't even have a remote claim at being called better.

WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
You are making yourself look silly.
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From the guy listing Slavin, Maatta, Connor Murphy and Klefbom as better than Lindholm, that is a bit rich. I mean, on the one hand I like seeing underrated guys like Slavin or Murphy get recognized, but not at the price of laughably underestimating Lindholm.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
There are a ton of great U24 defenders in the league today, many of whom are objectively better than Lindholm.

Faulk is 24
Jones is not objectively better than Lindholm
Ekblad could be better.
Rielly not better
Jones which other Jones besides Seth Jones?
Klingberg can put up more points, isn't better defensively, also 24.
Hamilton HA, not even close to Lindholm.
Parayko not better.
Murray not better
Gostisbehere can put up more points, but isn't better.
Larsson nope.
Slavvin really?
Maatta still not better.
Klefbom come on now.
C Murphy ok, now we know we can't trust your opinion if you think Connor Murphy is better than Lindholm.

With Provorov, Hanifin, Werenski etc all on the way.
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Responses in bold. Thanks for showing us you have no idea who Lindholm is.
 
Vipers31 said:
Ok, that's about as bad as expected.

Faulk is better, but wasn't ahead when he was Lindholm's age. Basically none of the other guys are better, and most don't even have a remote claim at being called better.
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Ekblad, Jones, Rielly, Faulk, Gostisbehere, Parayko, Klingberg, Larsson, and Murray are all pretty clearly better. His offense just isn't good enough to be an elite top pair defenseman at this point. Adam Larsson scored more ES points playing for the Devils . . .
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
There are a ton of great U24 defenders in the league today, many of whom are objectively better than Lindholm.

Faulk
Jones
Ekblad
Rielly
Jones
Klingberg
Hamilton
Parayko
Murray
Gostisbehere
Larsson
Slavvin
Maatta
Klefbom
C Murphy

With Provorov, Hanifin, Werenski etc all on the way.
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That's pretty bad... lol lindholm is better then all those guys outside of Faulk

Some have some potential to be as good as lindholm of better but currently they are not, and lindholm still has potential to be better then he already is.

That is actually an awful list
 
dracom said:
Yeah, you did. It's obvious you dislike Ducks players as a Flames fan, but when judging players you can't show your bias like you're doing.
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"Many" being the key word. I just listed a bunch of good young D to show that he is not some special case. Many in that list are better than Lindholm, not all.

And I'm not even a flames fan . . .
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Ekblad, Jones, Rielly, Faulk, Gostisbehere, Parayko, Klingberg, Larsson, and Murray are all pretty clearly better. His offense just isn't good enough to be an elite top pair defenseman at this point. Adam Larsson scored more ES points playing for the Devils . . .
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So you're valuing point production over defensive play...that's why you consider Gaudreau a top 3 LW. That explains everything then.
 
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