Not that Meyers can show much on that 4th line, but he's been rather bad too. The guy who really should move up is Compher.
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GirardSpinorama
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we need to give newhook at least another line driving winger.
Landeskog-mack-lehky, nuke-newhook-rantanen should be fine.
Landeskog-mack-lehky, nuke-newhook-rantanen should be fine.
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As I said in the live thread where someone saw Jost in him. I'm starting to see it too. We tell ourselves that when he plays with better players he will produce. I remember seeing things like this back then with Jost. "Now he plays with Mack he should produce" sadly never did.
I'm not saying Newhook is a bust but right now I really have a hard time thinking that he will be our #2C. I really hope he proves me wrong.
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Compher has been around long enough, we know by now that he shouldn't be playing in the top 6 unless there are multiple injuries.
I'd rather keep Newhook and ERod there for a few months to see what we really have than go straight to Compher and making 100% sure that we have to rely on a trade at the deadline.
I'd like to at least put ERod down the middle and move Newhook on the wing and see how it looks.
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Too soon. Do that after at least 15 games.
Right now the wise thing to do is playing them on separate lines.
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Newhook is just better on the wing. He’s looked and produced far better on the wing. And that’s not a problem at all, he can be a really solid 2nd line winger which is still a good player. But I just don’t see it at C.
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Then someone else will get hurt. There's always someone injured, it isn't realistic to count on a fully healthy top 9.
Sir... this doesn't happen with the Avs.
Yeah we know who Compher is and he really shouldn't be on the 2nd line... just saying if anybody moves up, it should be him.
To me, a few months seems like way, way too long if the line continues to struggle. 5-7 games is about all the combo should be given before tweaking it (doubt Bednar will even wait that long). I'm not saying go straight to Compher, but say if after the Vegas game next week that the Newhook like is struggling... one of Newhook or ERod should be swapped for a different player (right now Compher has played the best out of the bottom 6 guys).
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If we can play Mack and Landy/Rantanen as 1-2 punch I think it would be less hard to get a top 6 winger at the deadline than to get an actual #2C if our 2nd line is still problematic. I'm still dreaming to get Kane damn him and Rantanen would fit well together IMO.
Scheduled loss is indeed a loss.
Not that many players, if any players, had a good game, but I'm willing to bet that if you measured Rantanen's performances on the 2nd half of a B2B his numbers would have a much more precipitous dropoff than most other players in the same situation. That said, even on a night where he laid a big egg in the Saddledome, he still managed a nifty assist.
Nuke is off to a great start despite that 2nd line not working at all.
Frankie was fine under the circumstances, though I really would've liked for him to have that Dube goal. Somewhat bad angle, and Toews had the pass completely covered. It was a good shot, but still...
Not that many players, if any players, had a good game, but I'm willing to bet that if you measured Rantanen's performances on the 2nd half of a B2B his numbers would have a much more precipitous dropoff than most other players in the same situation. That said, even on a night where he laid a big egg in the Saddledome, he still managed a nifty assist.
Nuke is off to a great start despite that 2nd line not working at all.
Frankie was fine under the circumstances, though I really would've liked for him to have that Dube goal. Somewhat bad angle, and Toews had the pass completely covered. It was a good shot, but still...
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He's a depth piece, he isn't supposed to be there to help a struggling young 2C. If he plays in the top 6 he needs to be the worst player on his line.
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Newhook hasn't been good in the first two games but we may need to chill a bit or at least lower our expectations for the time being. This is supposed to be a work in progress and then they can evaluate as we get closer to the TDL.
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I agree that Nwhook hasn’t looked good and have stated as such however last game was a disaster for the whole team, on a back to back after a long travel, so I’m gonna give him some leeway here. I’m leery on his role as a 2c as well but he should be given some games in that role before saying he can’t fill it…. And if that happens, hopefully rantanen is up next in the 2c batting order. Not saying you feel differently, (or maybe you do lol), just piggybacking off your comment.
It is concerning how he still can’t create anything on his own and loses all battles he engages in. There should be some flashes here and there but his entire time in the NHL he’s gotten “fortunate” when getting points, most were not earned…. That’s very concerning to me.
It is clear it will take time to figure the 2nd line out. It really should be evaluated consistently though.
When we talk about lowering expectations, what is the right expectation? Is is xGF% > 50%? 45%? 40%? (Kadri was ~54% last year and his actual was over 56%). As we sit today, the line together is at xGF% of 25% and Newhook is just under that. I simply don't think the expectation can be that low... for a contending 2nd line, it should be >50%.
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If we're just looking at xGF% then heading towards the playoffs the bare minimum should be 50%. The eye test should match it as well, especially with his defensive game.
When I say lower expectations, I'm just talking about right now. It's the start of the season, that line was thrown together, and there's zero chemistry so I'm not judging his numbers two games into the season. It's obviously not just about the chemistry either because I think he has looked weak and I joked (not really) that he might've lost 75% of his board/puck battles in the first game and it might've been even more than that against the Flames. So clearly he needs to be a lot better but I'm going to give it quite a while before I worry.
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Obviously the loss last night was expected. I won’t get into the Avs play at all because it’s pretty irrelevant given the situation but I still want to give credit to Sutter for how suffocating the Flames 5 man unit were in that first period. That’s how you need to play if you want to beat this Avs team in a playoff series.
Flames are good.
Flames are good.
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