Game #9 10/28/14: Philadelphia Flyers 3, LA Kings 2 (OT)

[Buddy The Elf]

I know it's beating a dead horse, but for those of you that think that Quick wasn't pushed, rewatch it and pay attention to Quick's body. Ask yourself if his body would have impacted the inside of the back of net the same way if there had been no contact. Clearly something accelerated his body backward.

It is still very subjective. Between the phantom high stick deflections and the rebounds off the netting goals that we've been treated to over the past few years, this was trivial at best.

 

[Fishhead]

Clifford always plays well with Stoll, I don't understand completely why they aren't kept together. I'm sure Sutter has overall ice time over the course of a season in mind when he starts the blender.

When healthy, I'd like to see King up with Kopitar and Gaborik, and Richards between Brown and Williams. Stoll's style is a much better fit with Clifford/Nolan/Lewis and I think with time those 4 lines would gain chemistry and be very dangerous.

 

[tigermask48]

It is still very subjective. Between the phantom high stick deflections and the rebounds off the netting goals that we've been treated to over the past few years, this was trivial at best.

Nothing subjective about it at all. Schenn initiates contact with Quick after the shot is taken and clearly isn't across the goal line, Quick's momentum clearly changes after contact is made causing the puck to go in, no goal. It really is that simple.

Mike Murphy is still the clown running the show in Toronto and has shown pretty clear favoritism in the past towards teams so nothing is likely going to change any time soon.

Remember this blast that got DL fined a couple years ago?

"When the guy in Toronto making the decisions on the goals, in Ottawa and the one tonight, wanted the GM's job in L.A. and was not happy about not getting it, you have to assume you are going to get those type of calls,"

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Yes but king was on the first line and had the most ice time of any forward I think lol.

I know you love Clifford, we all do. He is all heart, but his hands are made of stone. Unless that changes, his ceiling is a really good 4th line player on a contender. I do hope he proves me wrong....

King will be gone when Sutter is gone I have accepted it however don't expect me not to trade him at any opportunity because i will. I will disagree on the all do love Clifford. I know several king fans like to use him as a whipping boy, I totally disagree with hands of stone there a lot better then kings imo i also think his ceiling is higher then you think. think could easily be a 3rd line player on this team. He is not going to score on the 4th line because as fraser said its not encouraged. He does what hes told to do play physical. He would be allowed to play more offensive on the 3rd line hence his point would go up, Also playing 10 mins a game most night He doesn't exactly have a lot of ice time to show any offense

 

[scramble91]

King will be gone when Sutter is gone I have accepted it however don't expect me not to trade him at any opportunity because i will. I will disagree on the all do love Clifford. I know several king fans like to use him as a whipping boy, I totally disagree with hands of stone there a lot better then kings imo i also think his ceiling is higher then you think. think could easily be a 3rd line player on this team. He is not going to score on the 4th line because as fraser said its not encouraged. He does what hes told to do play physical. He would be allowed to play more offensive on the 3rd line hence his point would go up, Also playing 10 mins a game most night He doesn't exactly have a lot of ice time to show any offense

Outside of occasional trade scenarios, I never have seen a post saying Clifford sucks. Almost all kings fans appreciate his heart and what he does.

He had plenty of chances yesterday but didn't bury anything. Maybe he has a breakout at some point, but hasn't shown that his goal scoring or playmaking can take him to a consistent 3rd line role.

King is every coaches dream because he is positionally sound, doesn't cheat and is great at separating the puck from the carrier on the boards. He isn't flashy but he is always around the play. He almost always makes the safe play especially in the dzone.

Clifford is not that far behind with those attributes except for his playmaking abilities and goal scoring...I would be fine if pans out to be an elite 4th liner who hits and chips in timely goals.

That being said, king might be gone in a season or 2, but by then you can expect porkins,zykov or kempe ready to fill a role in the team...and I would project all 3 to have more upside than Clifford . That's why I don't see Clifford being a 3rd liner with the kings (at least long term)

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Nothing subjective about it at all. Schenn initiates contact with Quick after the shot is taken and clearly isn't across the goal line, Quick's momentum clearly changes after contact is made causing the puck to go in, no goal. It really is that simple.

Mike Murphy is still the clown running the show in Toronto and has shown pretty clear favoritism in the past towards teams so nothing is likely going to change any time soon.

Remember this blast that got DL fined a couple years ago?

That's one of high stick calls I was referring to. I think the Kings were mired in a huge slump at that point. I don't really buy into a conspiracy with the league's office though. If it were as clear as day like a puck crossing a line or not crossing a line, then this wouldn't even be a debate.

At any rate, this isn't one that I'll lose sleep over. If Muzzin doesn't cause that turnover, then we aren't even talking about this.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Outside of occasional trade scenarios, I never have seen a post saying Clifford sucks. Almost all kings fans appreciate his heart and what he does.

He had plenty of chances yesterday but didn't bury anything. Maybe he has a breakout at some point, but hasn't shown that his goal scoring or playmaking can take him to a consistent 3rd line role.

King is every coaches dream because he is positionally sound, doesn't cheat and is great at separating the puck from the carrier on the boards. He isn't flashy but he is always around the play. He almost always makes the safe play especially in the dzone.

Clifford is not that far behind with those attributes except for his playmaking abilities and goal scoring...I would be fine if pans out to be an elite 4th liner who hits and chips in timely goals.

That being said, king might be gone in a season or 2, but by then you can expect porkins,zykov or kempe ready to fill a role in the team...and I would project all 3 to have more upside than Clifford . That's why I don't see Clifford being a 3rd liner with the kings (at least long term)

I have see a lot of posts saying negative things about Clifford I won't name the posters because I don't need to get into it with them(again) just saying it tends to be the older posters

I think he needs to get more mintues on a consistant bases Having on game at 16 mins then the next 4 at 10 is not the way to do it. If they bite the bullet and had him play 10 games with 14 -16 mins i am more then confident that he would break out.

Sadly yes zykov will push king and probably clifford out as andreoff can do what hes doing right now for less . I will then be forced to watch Clifford go to another team to become a 3rd liner. I have come to terms with that ( it was hard but yeah i see the writting on the wall)

 

[Telos]

I'll say it I am not a fan of Clifford. I appreciate his work ethic and heart, but I don't see a good future for him.

I think Clifford's ceiling is higher than King's, but King is durable and designed for his role as a third line left wing. I don't think Clifford is durable at all, he is reckless with himself, a horrible fighter, and risky because he will be a magnet for future injuries.

I also think there is no where for him to play behind Gaborik, Pearson, King, and other prospect depth. I don't like him as a future fit on the fourth line and hope we get value out of him as an asset as I believe he is becoming rendered obsolete by Andreoff.

Great teammate and locker room guy, not a bad player, but reckless and futureless in LA. I see him as a primary trade chip in the near future, hopefully. In a perfect world without a salary cap, I admittedly wouldn't be against having him on the bottom line though.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I'll say it I am not a fan of Clifford. I appreciate his work ethic and heart, but I don't see a good future for him.

I think Clifford's ceiling is higher than King's, but King is durable and designed for his role as a third line left wing. I don't think Clifford is durable at all, he is reckless with himself, a horrible fighter, and risky because he will be a magnet for future injuries.

I also think there is no where for him to play behind Gaborik, Pearson, King, and other prospect depth. I don't like him as a future fit on the fourth line and hope we get value out of him as an asset as I believe he is becoming rendered obsolete by Andreoff.

Great teammate and locker room guy, not a bad player, but reckless and futureless in LA. I see him as a primary trade chip in the near future, hopefully. In a perfect world without a salary cap, I admittedly wouldn't be against having him on the bottom line though.

yeah you were one of the at least 4 i was thinking of lol thank you for admitting it. I find it interesting you think Clifford ceiling higher yet you would rather have king playing 3rd line. Yes the injuries concern me as well However i think he is losing that recklessness and picking his spots better. With Andreoff here he doesn't have to do the fighting dirty work he use to. He is tons faster this year and fore check a lot better then king imo. I think he should also get some pp time with how bad our pp is its worth a shot to park him in front of the net and have him screen goalies and maybe tip a few in.

 

[damacles1156]

I don't blame Clifford for being a fringe 4th liner, I blame the Kings for not developing him correctly.

I think Clifford is far more skilled than say (Andy Andy). But due to him playing an NHL game, and not being allowed to flush out that skill set in the AHL.

He has pretty much been ruined, now Clifford is, what he is. A fringe Fourth liner.

Cliffford could have been soo much more, I believe that. He should have spent two, maybe even three years in the AHL.

Clifford is 23, if you ask me, Last season or this season (Should have) been Cliffords first full NHL season

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I don't blame Clifford for being a fringe 4th liner, I blame the Kings for not developing him correctly.

I think Clifford is far more skilled than say (Andy Andy). But due to him playing an NHL game, and not being allowed to flush out that skill set in the AHL.

He has pretty much been ruined, now Clifford is, what he is. A fringe Fourth liner.

Cliffford could have been soo much more, I believe that. He should have spent two, maybe even three years in the AHL.

He is not a fringe player I am willing to go so far as to say he would be 3rd lw on a lot of teams. He also earned his way on the team when he did He played well and showed a lot of promise He does what hes told to do He brings physical play which is what Sutter wants him to do. As fraser stated in his exit interview The forth line gets there ice time cut if they get to fancy with the puck. He also plays the least amount of ice time on the king regulars.

 

[damacles1156]

He is not a fringe player I am willing to go so far as to say he would be 3rd lw on a lot of teams. He also earned his way on the team when he did He played well and showed a lot of promise He does what hes told to do He brings physical play which is what Sutter wants him to do. As fraser stated in his exit interview The forth line gets there ice time cut if they get to fancy with the puck. He also plays the least amount of ice time on the king regulars.

He wouldn't be on the fourth line(playing reduced minutes), if he had been developed properly.

Do you understand what I am typing ?

 

[KingCanadain1976]

He wouldn't be on the fourth line(playing reduced minutes), if he had been developed properly.

Do you understand what I am typing ?

I understand what your trying to say however i disagree with most of what your saying to call him a fringe 4th liner is a discredit to him. He could be playing 3rd line on 1/4 of the nhl right now. As far as his development i disagree whos to say what would have happened down in the ahl He could just as easy been injuried and never made the jump at all. To many what ifs to me.

 

[Telos]

yeah you were one of the at least 4 i was thinking of lol thank you for admitting it. I find it interesting you think Clifford ceiling higher yet you would rather have king playing 3rd line. Yes the injuries concern me as well However i think he is losing that recklessness and picking his spots better. With Andreoff here he doesn't have to do the fighting dirty work he use to. He is tons faster this year and fore check a lot better then king imo. I think he should also get some pp time with how bad our pp is its worth a shot to park him in front of the net and have him screen goalies and maybe tip a few in.

Clifford has a higher ceiling, but he is very very unlikely to attain it now. King is an infinitely better option on the third line over him. Clifford is a risky variable, but King is a solid constant. King is always doing what he is supposed to, he is defensively responsible, covers the whole rink, has a more solid build, and he's also a great locker room guy. He may not be flashy but he is hard working and produces regularly at a third line rate.

The bottom line is that King is solidified in that spot, Clifford is a coin flip to ever reach that potential, and he is getting more expensive and being more and more limited being stuck on a fourth line with our depth behind him.

King is the better all-around player now and will always be perfect for the role he is in now. He is fairly priced and signed long term. Clifford is high risk, high reward, and there is no real reason to roll the dice rather than get some value for him and get someone else in there to develop on the fourth line.

 

[Martyros]

Not only is he the best goalie in the league, but he also has the biggest heart. Anyone that calls him a hot head is just jealous their goalie doesn't show the same level of heart and intensity.

Mike Smith does it all the time

 

[Reclamation Project]

There's a difference between being passionate and a massive ******