Lilleeroy, is that you? I never declared Smith a bust after two games but I was definitely worried about his play in the first half. I'm still worried about whether he's going to be an impact player because he's got a long way to go to reach that ceiling and it would really help if he did and really hurt if he didn't. I think you're misremembering.
Sorry to twist your nips, I just think your rant was over the top, and I think this response is a bit all or nothing and over the top as well. You obviously care a lot, just suggesting you inject a little grey into the black and white takes. Obviously you're still big mad and I'm not going to change that, so if you decide to stay mad, I apologize
There's a difference between being mad at the team, the coaching, and on-ice play, and being mad at you. I am furious about the on-ice play, but only slightly annoyed at your passive-aggressive approach. You seem to care more to be honest, I mean actually going into internet-therapist mode after sarcastically jabbing me is pretty peak irony-bro behavior. "Oh man, why do you care so much, calm down big guy!". Please dude lmao.
As for Smith, I could be confusing you with someone else. There was definitely someone on this board who made a long drawn out post in either the prospects thread or a Smith-centric thread that was sounding the alarms after he had 1 point in the first 2 BC games last year. For the record, I agree with you mostly. He does have a long way to go, and hes hardly a sure thing. But I do like the improvement I have seen from the start of training camp, which has been pretty noticeable.
I mean, why say this? Dude is a Pats fan, I can assure you he thinks Belichick is a better coach than him... I don't know how you can say he has an ego problem.
I say it because it's how he's acting. It has nothing to do w/ his football fandom and I didn't even know that he was a Patriots fan, although that would make sense w/ his Boston ties. Belichick was notorious for being a short, 1 answer prick w/ the media, but he also earned the right to act that way w/ all the winning he did. Warsofsky is dealing w/ the softest hockey media market in the entire league, not winning, and then has the nerve to act the same way. That is a bad look. Full stop. Sheng asking "where do you go from here" and him going "Back to San Jose" might amuse some, but I find it incredibly infuriating and cringeworthy.
I haven't seen this like you have. The D pinches in the OZ, they pinch and pressure when they have numbers in the NZ, and they try to slow down odd man rushes like any D corps would while waiting for the F3 to hard pressure the puck. If they're giving the blue line easily, it's not because the system says so, it's because they're trying not to get walked, which they are liable to do because everyone except Walman isn't very fast or mobile. I just don't think we're going to agree on that point.
I also have some thoughts on the pinching, but that wasnt what i was referring to. I'm talking about the NZ set up. The other team has the puck, and they start the play to enter. No one challenges the puck carrier at the blue line. It seems like it's a concerted effort, to, like you say, not get walked. But it's not a long term feasible strategy and if they actually challenged the puck carrier at the blue line they would have a better opportunity to create a turnover. It's like this hockey style "prevent defense", and I hate it. And I disagree that Ferraro isn't mobile. Thats actually one of the only redeeming qualities he has in my opinion.
Wennberg injured, Sturm injured, you hate Dellandrea, Smith not ready. Who else did he have to choose from? Eklund didn't look great at center and it would break up our best/most effective top line duo. He's up shit creek with no options.
You totally misunderstood the point. I never complained that he made Poturalski 2C in this reference. You made the point that the roster "stinks just as bad as last year" and used the Poturalski 2C experiment as evidence. I countered that by pointing out he has only been 2C for like 3 games since the Wennberg injury and Granlund trade. The vast majority of the season, he had Celebrini, Granlund, and Wennberg down the middle, 100 miles better than anything Quinn got to deal w/ last year. And we still didnt win any games. Though now that you mention it, yeah I honestly would prefer that the organization would give Bordeleau a final look before he's off to Russia. I am probably lower on his NHL outlook than even you are, but from an asset management standpoint it makes more sense to give the young guy w/ some skill a try at Granny-lite than the 31 year old career AHL'er. I think they probably promised Poturalski a look in the show at some point when trying to sign him to the Cuda, so it's not the end of the world. But yeah, you got your 3 games. You stink. Now go away.
I don't think they would be so much better as to change the outcome. I'm hopeful for Cardwell and Bystedt, I'm less hopeful for Bords even though paradoxically he's probably the guy most likely to put up points on a depleted last place team this spring.
Maybe not. But you never know. There's just been far too many games where the top line or sometimes top two lines hold their own(at least) and these bottom 6 plugs just get absolutely caved in. Maybe some recency bias w/ the last game where it was really pronounced. Regardless, I just do not see the point in Kunin anymore. He's slow as molasses, never backchecks, never finishes, and he blows coverage more often than any other player. I know I'm repeating myself, but it's all true. I watched the 2 Cuda games this week closely before I responded to this to see what kind of game these guys got going on right now. I havent watched every cuda game, the stats are meh for all of them, so maybe I was off w/ this take. Well, I'll tell you what I think. Bystedt looks pretty slow himself, although he has the ideal size for C and a long reach. I don't think he's ready though, he wasn't as physical w/ that size I would like and I think he could use more seasoning down there. I still think he'd be better than most of these clowns in the bottom 6, but I think calling him up now for an extended stretch might be a bad idea. Personally he looks like a 4th liner on a good team to me which is a bummer, but oh well.
Cardwell I remain impressed with. Decent skater, quick, battles hard, is always the first one in on the forecheck. W/a touch of skill too. Also see him as a 4th liner in the NHL but he's young and energetic and he seems pretty ready for that extended look to me. I mean, isnt this his 3rd season down there now? How long do you want a guy like Cardwell down there? If we're waiting for him to win the AHL scoring title we wont ever see him. This is pretty much who he is.
Bordeleau, as I mentioned above, does deserve a look in the show the rest of the way after the Granlund trade. Pretty weird couple games from him. Played well in the 1st Eagles game, tied it late w/ a really nice anticipation steal on the forecheck, and was one of the few who was playing w/ possession and in the OZ at all. 2nd game he threw a late check while defending a teammate and then was given a major for some reason. I dont know why, it seemed like classic cross checking to me. So, possible he has a bad temper and still isn't disciplined. I dont really care though. I am so, so, so, sick, of these bottom 6 turds that I am begging the org to give him one final extended look in the NHL before waving bye bye for good.
You'll notice the one guy I have NOT been clamoring for in this entire discussion, has been Cagnoni. He was flat out AWFUL in the 1st game, and I still have my doubts that he will ever be an NHL'er. And that's w/ the defense on the big club being as bad as it is. Still, I don't think he's even close to being better than Ferraro or Mukhamudllin, not right now anyway. So it's not this "just send the kids up there!" thing if thats what you think. I just happen to believe most of these guys in the bottom 6 are so tire-fire bad, that I would like to see some youthful changes. Even if its for 5 games or so....the definition of insanity is watxhing Warsofsky send out the Kunin/Badrow line to "shut the game down!". I just.....cannot do it anymore.
This was personal and unnecessary. I don't give a shit because I don't know you, and I'd happily see another voice on these boards if it's thoughtful and adds to the convo, but my first and last objection to this interaction is that it's WAY too emotional (and personal) for the topic. I just don't think Warsofsky is the reason we don't currently have 20 wins, and even if we did, that's still not a good team. You think I'm wrong, and now I'm a choir boy, a Smith sky is falling idiot, and an online therapist. Just kind of unnecessary.
Im crossing the line, but you're allowed to play online therapist? After making like 3 sarcastic meme posts that truly added nothing?
"Put my kid in the game!" seriously, what did that add? You seem so convinced that Im off my rocker and rash w/ the Warsofsky criticism. Thats fine, but I truly dont get the whole "Im gonna meme this guy" and then when i fire back it's "woooooahhhhhh! not cool man! Uncalled for! You're way too mad! I know this because im a therapist!. Like what bro lol. I treat online message boards like a bar. For better or worse. Maybe this place isnt for me, a thought Ive had before registering tbh. I just dont see fandom as a "we need to write out a well researched, peer reviewed essay before even offering a take". Part of the fun to me is offering up bold takes and venting after games. Thats not to say I dont believe the takes I've offered, but just that not everything has to be like your English paper? Just me dude.
Oh, I forgot this one.
So far the lineup decisions you're pointing to are during high levels of injury and after significant trades... What lineup do you want him to ice in the next game?
First, I disagree. The most steaming mad I've been all year was the Nashville game I keep referencing. That was before the Granlund trade and after the Blackwood trade. And maybe Blackwood doesnt give up the 6th, but the guy made the ACTIVE decision to start the 3rd period w/ the pillsburry doughboy against Nashville's Forsberg line and that was after getting thoroughly outplayed for the last 15 minutes of the 2nd period. I use that game as an example. But it shows me that Warsofsky seriously considers plugs like Kunin and Badrow as "defensive stoppers", and that's actually a terrifying thought going forward, because they are both currently the absolute two worst defensive forwards on the roster besides Kostin. Unless you think his strategy is "let me just try to get away w/ them for a minute to start the period, then go on the attack against a weaker Nashville line afterward". That would be a big stretch though, considering how he talks about these plugs. So again, it comes back to....how does this guy value hockey? Evaluate it? Evaluate the players? All signs look pretty damn depressing in a best case scenario.
What lineup would I like?
Poturalski waived and back to the Cuda. Give Badrow a "phantom IR stint". Scratch Kunin, Thrun, Grundstrom. Assuming Wennberg and Kostin are back. Call up Bordeleau and Cardwell.
Eklund Celebrini Zetterlund
Graf Wennberg Smith
Kovalenko Bordeleau Toffoli
Kostin Sturm Cardwell
Walman/Liljegren
Ferraro/Thompson
Mukhamudullin/Ruuta
Georgiev/Vanecek
Scratched: Kunin, Thrun, Grundstrom
PP1: Walman, Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Toffoli
PP2: Liljegren, Mukhamudullin, Wennberg, Bordeleau, Zetterlund
PK1: Eklund, Wennberg, Walman, Ferraro
PK2: Graf, Cardwell, Liljegren, Ruuta
Reasoning: You can swap Z and Toffoli on either line and I'd be fine w/ it. Personally dont think Toffoli is a great fit w/ Macklin on the rush. I like giving an experienced guy on Bordeleau's wing during my idea of an extended Bordeleau "try out". That bottom 6 all of a sudden looks a lot more appeasing, and now the PK has much better defensive forwards.