Post-Game Talk: GAME 6 - Hockey Club 2 BRUINS 1 F OT

[bobbyorr04]

Some have said Marchy might of said something first. Msybe get me a centre and winger lol

Yeah, maybe there's some bad blood between Brad and Monty that's starting to boil over, but it just doesn't look good when a coach is yelling and pushing his players on the bench......especially the captain

..save that aggression for the refs

 

[mar2kbos]

I have no problem Monty laying into Marchand there. He could see the direction the team was headed in the third and he was right. Marchand is the captain of this team, he needs to show much more than he has, and if he can’t he may need to retire. Hes not the guy he used to be and the injuries have definitely had their effect, but dumb plays and lack of compete and engagement is something in his control and he has been very non engage so far this season. Pasta same, he’ll pop up for a goal and then disappear for large stretches. These are your leaders and when you have a lot of new faces they need to lead the charge and convince the others to follow along. It’s why they are all over the place at the moment. The identity is non existent

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I have no problem Monty laying into Marchand there. He could see the direction the team was headed in the third and he was right. Marchand is the captain of this team, he needs to show much more than he has, and if he can’t he may need to retire. Hes not the guy he used to be and the injuries have definitely had their effect, but dumb plays and lack of compete and engagement is something in his control and he has been very non engage so far this season. Pasta same, he’ll pop up for a goal and then disappear for large stretches. These are your leaders and when you have a lot of new faces they need to lead the charge and convince the others to follow along. It’s why they are all over the place at the moment. The identity is non existent

What a long winded way of saying it’s October

 

[chizzler]

Apart from a few guys, it feels like the Bruins skipped conditioning in the offseason.

They spent too much time looking at guys they shouldn’t have.

Another thing, Marchand will tell you that it’s not acceptable and he will move on and say the coach was right. Then he will move on and play lights out.

This team is not in shape, or at least not in season shape. I think the wanted to look at a few guys and if you think about it, most of the regulars played sporadically.

I’m losing faith in Monty but will give him a month to get this team going. I just don’t know what the f*** his system is. Not much has change with regard to what I see players confused on assignments.

These players as someone said have their stripes. Some try to play a skilled style like Pasta and others when they don’t have that in them. They need to get back to basics.

To be honest, I don’t know how they fix the aggressive forecheck that everyone seems to be copying. It just demoralizes them. Anyone with a better grasp here have any ideas?

 

[Bradely]

They spent too much time looking at guys they shouldn’t have.

Another thing, Marchand will tell you that it’s not acceptable and he will move on and say the coach was right. Then he will move on and play lights out.

This team is not in shape, or at least not in season shape. I think the wanted to look at a few guys and if you think about it, most of the regulars played sporadically.

I’m losing faith in Monty but will give him a month to get this team going. I just don’t know what the f*** his system is. Not much has change with regard to what I see players confused on assignments.

Bold part sums up...
I don't know if the Bruins' play (which I don't find so bad at the start of the season) is a result of different factors such as the coach, the stars, or the arrival of several new players or an amalgamation of all this. But I am of the opinion that the way I read the situation is that Monty is smelling hot soup, causing a strategy of last resort and we feel that the fuse of the fans will be short.

 

[sarge88]

Yeah, maybe there's some bad blood between Brad and Monty that's starting to boil over, but it just doesn't look good when a coach is yelling and pushing his players on the bench......especially the captain

..save that aggression for the refs

Especially when he’s “yes sir, no sir” with the refs, even when they make egregiously bad calls.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I’m surprised no one has mentioned that right before the argument on the bench Monty put Marchand out with Geekie and Brazeau.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

I’m surprised no one has mentioned that right before the argument on the bench Monty put Marchand out with Geekie and Brazeau.

Like he got demoted a line?

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

They spent too much time looking at guys they shouldn’t have.

Another thing, Marchand will tell you that it’s not acceptable and he will move on and say the coach was right. Then he will move on and play lights out.

This team is not in shape, or at least not in season shape. I think the wanted to look at a few guys and if you think about it, most of the regulars played sporadically.

I’m losing faith in Monty but will give him a month to get this team going. I just don’t know what the f*** his system is. Not much has change with regard to what I see players confused on assignments.

These players as someone said have their stripes. Some try to play a skilled style like Pasta and others when they don’t have that in them. They need to get back to basics.

To be honest, I don’t know how they fix the aggressive forecheck that everyone seems to be copying. It just demoralizes them. Anyone with a better grasp here have any ideas?

I remember in the 2013 finals (I think) Doc was talking about the Blackhawks (I think) during a game. He said something along the lines of the Blackhawks aren't a fast team but they pass the puck faster than other teams can skate so their lack of footspeed didnt matter much. I think they really gotta change the way they pass, it's all drop passes and slow saucer passes out of the zone or across the crease instead of passing with purpose and trusting the guy will be where he should be. Also their movements in general are all a step behind the play so opposing teams are getting to pucks or open areas a good 3 seconds before a Bruin is there.

Tldr: Monty needs to bag skate them and eliminate the slow passing by new years.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

It's only the 6th game into the season, and there's no need to go ballistic on your captain (who bleeds black and gold). Monty should've walked over to Marchand, leaned over and had a talk with him (man to man)

Nobody likes to be embarrassed in front of the whole stadium

This is professional hockey, not high school ....act like a pro Monty

In that case.
Stop turning the puck over and keep it simple Marchy.

He's played 1000+ games. He should know better. I know he had some surgeries in the off season. But he hasn't been good in these first 6 games.

To each their own I guess.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

I’m surprised no one has mentioned that right before the argument on the bench Monty put Marchand out with Geekie and Brazeau.

What's its relevance? Monty tries different combinations frequently. Even Pasta got 2 mins with Coyle and Marchand, 1:42 with Geekie, 1:13 with Kastelic and Poitras, and 1:09 with Freddy. What's to be read into that sort of thing other than that the coach likes to juggle the lines when he's looking to generate more offense?

 

[Dr Hook]

5 games in and people want the coach fired, LOL

#HFBoardin

We have seen coaches in all sports get the sack pretty early on in seasons. Not saying Monty needs the boot yet, but the poor playoff showing the past two years can't help, and the FO has sent a signal with the team they have tried to assemble that there needs to be a different approach. Monty has to work with the team he has, versus the team he wishes he had. I know, there is another school of thought that coaches should coach the way they've had success with and get the players to buy in. I don't know which way is right, but I do think Monty is probably under some pressure even though we are just 6 games in.

 

[bobbyorr04]

In that case.
Stop turning the puck over and keep it simple Marchy.

He's played 1000+ games. He should know better. I know he had some surgeries in the off season. But he hasn't been good in these first 6 games.

To each their own I guess.

Absolutely Marchand should know better, and he definitely needs to get reprimanded for it.....I just didn't like the way Monty handled it

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

What's its relevance? Monty tries different combinations frequently. Even Pasta got 2 mins with Coyle and Marchand, 1:42 with Geekie, 1:13 with Kastelic and Poitras, and 1:09 with Freddy. What's to be read into that sort of thing other than that the coach likes to juggle the lines when he's looking to generate more offense?

He buried Marchand with the two guys he just benched and then benched again in this game. It was a message.

 

[bobbyorr04]

This team is not in shape, or at least not in season shape.

Yeah...most of the team looked physically out of shape from the first game of the season

..and some guys are also mentally out of shape

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

I hate to say this. I hate to think it. But we have to entertain the possibility that Marchand is over the hill.

Far from the only problem, but if he is, we only have 3 legit top 6 forwards on the team.

I think his skating is still elite . He’s not getting chances to score . I see zero chemistry with Coyle and whoever. I’d put him up with Pasta and Lindholm and the goals will come. Zacha can play with Coyle .

 

[DarrenBanks56]

i still cant believe that tying goal.
its like the defense was having a stroke when that 100 foot pass slowly went across the ice

 

[Aussie Bruin]

He buried Marchand with the two guys he just benched and then benched again in this game. It was a message.

What benching? Geekie had just completed a shift before the Bruins’ PP in the 44th minute, Brazeau had just come on before that PP started. When were they benched? And Brazeau was Marchand’s designated linemate the entire game. Furthermore, Marchand had actually already done a shift with both Geekie and Brazeau late in the 2nd period. And the reason why is clear – Coyle had just completed a turn on the back end of the Bruins’ PP in the 35th minute and was still recovering from that. So Geekie went out instead. Which is exactly what happened again early in the 3rd period. Coyle again played on the 2nd PP unit, so Geekie covered for him when his line was sent out a minute later.

Finally, none of them were benched after Marchand's error, not even Brad himself.

There was no message, just adapting of the lines following special teams work. Your narrative doesn’t fit the facts.

 

[Gordoff]

Mixed feelings about this one. On the one hand, Utah outworked the Bruins and played like a more cohesive team. They generated more chances. But on the other, the Bruins actually had more high quality chances, the defense on the whole is gradually improving (albeit let down by more lapses in the 3rd) and the game was very much there to be won with a period to go. A point on the road, against a team that's decent and seemingly on the up, is never to be sniffed at.

I'm not as gloom and doom as some here seem to be. The team is 3-2-1 and very much staying in the mix in their division while in the process of trying to reinvent itself with quite a different-looking roster. Yes they're disjointed and some of their play is really sloppy or lacking effort/intensity, but there are some positives to build on too.

My concern is more whether this roster is built properly. I fear there is a mismatch between the way they need to play to be effective and the mentality and culture of the players and the locker room as a whole. This team is short on speed and raw talent. What they are is big and for the most part quite experienced. But to make use of that size they need to play tough, gritty, physical and mean. Dump and chase, bodies to the net, force the opposition into mistakes. Simple, hard-working hockey with an edge. But look at these guys. McAvoy, Carlo, Pasta, Coyle, Beecher and Lohrei don't have a mean bone in their bodies. Frederic was feisty when he was young and looking to make an impression, but he's a teddy bear at heart. Zacha of all people seems to understand the need to step up the nasty, but it's not natural to him. Sway has moxie, but he's the goalie. I just don't see them being able to play 'big and bad'. It's not in them. And if they can't do that, is a big and slow-ish roster going to be able to take it up to the very best teams in the league?

I don't think the team has been well-coached so far this year. Not liking quite a lot of what we've seen from Monty, and I don't believe he's yet got a handle on how to get this kind of lineup working. He's more visibly grumpy, and I understand why, but I'm not sure he's dealing with it constructively. But I still remind myself we need to patient. Only 6 games in. Long way to go. This really is a different team to what the Bruins have had for a long time. It was never going to click overnight. As a team more built for playoff hockey, it's going to be more difficult for it to find its rhythm in the regular season. We saw that from the Panthers when they changed their approach two years ago, and that turned out pretty well. But it took some stumbles on the way there. The Bruins need to stick at it and some senior guys need to have a look at themselves in the mirror and step up. Need to see a bit more yet before any major shakeup moves are considered.

A very well thought out and written synopsis. Are you sure that you didn't
grow up here playing the game we love because you just seem to get it!
I don't think Montgomery has a handle on how to coach-up this roster and the for the most part the guys who were here last year except for a couple, aren't playing as we know they can.
Dump & chase needs to start to be incorporated into the game plan here. Not everyone will be able to do that but if everyone could get on the same page and just play north to south, and hit as much as possible it would make a big difference.
Sorry to say it but I think certain guys do not want to change or evolve slightly. I'm looking at guys like Coyle, Geekie, and Frederik. Marchand is Marchand and he needs to play his game. He know when he screws up and doesn't need to be reemed out in public for it like a child. Pasta needs to be way more responsible with his passes, especially when he has pauses in scoring.
Granted this team needs a RW who can motor and score but in the meantime
what we have isn't on the same page. We'll see if it improves but if not, it's the beginning of the end of Monty's story here IMO.
McAvoy has had ups and downs so far.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

What benching? Geekie had just completed a shift before the Bruins’ PP in the 44th minute, Brazeau had just come on before that PP started. When were they benched? And Brazeau was Marchand’s designated linemate the entire game. Furthermore, Marchand had actually already done a shift with both Geekie and Brazeau late in the 2nd period. And the reason why is clear – Coyle had just completed a turn on the back end of the Bruins’ PP in the 35th minute and was still recovering from that. So Geekie went out instead. Which is exactly what happened again early in the 3rd period. Coyle again played on the 2nd PP unit, so Geekie covered for him when his line was sent out a minute later.

Finally, none of them were benched after Marchand's error, not even Brad himself.

There was no message, just adapting of the lines following special teams work. Your narrative doesn’t fit the facts.

Gotta find a way to push an agenda, facts be damned.

 

[Gordoff]

I think Gallant would light a fire under these guys butts, Monty is too much of a players coach, I don't see him as the guy to get hard on players when a coach needs to. Leach is great as he is an assistant. I would let Monty, Sacco and Kelly go.

Dan is right though. They didn't give Sacco the Associate Coach title to not use it apparently. Maybe the players know and feel that Monty is on the way out so
he's lost their ears.
If I'm DS, I don't wait until December 1st.
By then, if they're not back on track, they'll be having to claw and struggle to make the playoffs, even with a new coach.
Of course if they win 90% of the games until then, I would wait but, it's a gamble if they don't get back on track by Thanksgiving.

 

[bobbyorr04]

Sorry to say it but I think certain guys do not want to change or evolve slightly. I'm looking at guys like Coyle, Geekie, and Frederik. Marchand is Marchand and he needs to play his game. He know when he screws up and doesn't need to be reemed out in public for it like a child. Pasta needs to be way more responsible with his passes, especially when he has pauses in scoring.
Granted this team needs a RW who can motor and score but in the meantime
what we have isn't on the same page. We'll see if it improves but if not, it's the beginning of the end of Monty's story here IMO.
McAvoy has had ups and downs so far.

If the coached had to ream out every player on the bench who made a bad turnover this season, just about every player (except the 4th line) would've been guilty.....and Pasta would lead the pack

..but the way Monty blew a gasket on Marchand just looks bush league

Maybe somebody should take a strip outta Monty (in front of everybody) for not having the players in game shape before the regular season started

 

[Gordoff]

Pastrnak for Rantanen with new contract signed.



There is a difference.
1035gp, Stanley cup winner and wearing C against 37gp player who loses all one-on-ones and should be an AHL to get some experience and strength.

HELLLSS yes to Rantanen! I can think of a Colorado native that I'd rather send too.
Or, expand the trade, 2 for 2.

If the coached had to ream out every player on the bench who made a bad turnover this season, just about every player (except the 4th line) would've been guilty.....and Pasta would lead the pack

..but the way Monty blew a gasket on Marchand just looks bush league

Maybe somebody should take a strip outta Monty (in front of everybody) for not having the players in game shape before the regular season started

Agreed, I thought it was disgraceful and that he just lost the team.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

How are you getting 3? If you’re not counting Marchy then I count 2. Unless you’re counting Potsy. Too soon for that imo, although I think he certainly will be.

I think Zacha is top 6 worthy. Pasta, Lindholm for sure. Zacha is maybe really only line 2 worthy but still top 6. Coyle is an outstanding 3C and a stretch at 2C to say the least. Potsy ain't there yet.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

I think his skating is still elite . He’s not getting chances to score . I see zero chemistry with Coyle and whoever. I’d put him up with Pasta and Lindholm and the goals will come. Zacha can play with Coyle .

The skating seems okay but there's something off. He might not have the strength he had and his shots seem off and less dangerous like he can't put the same force into them or something. He just doesn't look like a scoring threat right now. He should be on the third line, but we don't have a second line.