GDT: GAME 54 | Senators @ Lightning | Can't Stop, Won't Stop Edition | Tue Feb 4 2025, 7PM | TSN5, RDS

[bicboi64]

I love the discipline Hamonic can show when it comes to toughness, he doesn't take stupid penalties but he's either too slow with the puck or too reactionary.

Green needs to stop playing him when we have a more viable option in Matinpalo.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

You're insufferable

I understand Hamonic for the most part not being the reason between losses and wins but its such an easy change or non change to maximize your roster by putting in a better player over an inferior one regardless of position.

You don’t know what is best for the team.

That’s why Green gets the big bucks.

 

[PlayOn]

You don’t know what is best for the team.

That’s why Green gets the big bucks.

I think this is true but also doesn’t consider that Green is also capable of making mistakes. It’s not as though everyone gets it right all the time. It’s a boring analysis to pretend people are always right because it’s their job.

He obviously understands the game 100x better than we do, and he’s said there are intangibles Hamonic brings we don’t see. He’s also our toughest defenseman. But I don’t think that means we have to ignore what our eyes tell us or what the analytics say - he produces no offense and he is prone to making his partners worse. I disagree with Green on this, doesn’t mean I’m right.

And DJ Smith said Zaitsev was an elite defender, then we had to give up a 2nd to trade him, and after a stint on the worst team in the league he is no longer in the NHL.

 

[Back in Black]

They certainly didn't being their A game last night. Gonna need a much better response Thursday

Wasn't that bad of a loss, considering they just played the night before. Playoff hockey, here we come!!!



26 hours to gO

 

[LiseL]

Need to be more disciplined, missing Pinto/Norris for a bit means can't necessarily rely on as much offense.

Both in the O zone and D zone (PK).

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think this is true but also doesn’t consider that Green is also capable of making mistakes. It’s not as though everyone gets it right all the time. It’s a boring analysis to pretend people are always right because it’s their job.

He obviously understands the game 100x better than we do, and he’s said there are intangibles Hamonic brings we don’t see. He’s also our toughest defenseman. But I don’t think that means we have to ignore what our eyes tell us or what the analytics say - he produces no offense and he is prone to making his partners worse. I disagree with Green on this, doesn’t mean I’m right.

And DJ Smith said Zaitsev was an elite defender, then we had to give up a 2nd to trade him, and after a stint on the worst team in the league he is no longer in the NHL.

Probably not a one man decision here. Buck stops with Green though. Zaitsev was all DJ from day 1.

 

[LiseL]

Norris is out for a few weeks according to Green

According to Brent Wallace on CIH today, it's a strain, probably muscle, and should be back after 4 Nations. The remaining boys just need to get through this week. Hopefully having Ullmark and Jensen back is enough to win.

 

[Dionysus]

Batherson makes 3.25 less than Tkachuk and has the same amount of points while being better defensively.
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I love the discipline Hamonic can show when it comes to toughness, he doesn't take stupid penalties but he's either too slow with the puck or too reactionary.

Green needs to stop playing him when we have a more viable option in Matinpalo.

Green has shown a willingness to make lineup changes when needed, and change lines in game. Hopefully he makes the call to swap Hamonic out for Matinpalo.

Matinpalo is bigger, faster, makes more controlled plays with the puck.

 

[jake1]

Maybe someone has covered it, and I don't know enough to be critical of him, but who was Hamonic waving to to cover the wing on the third goal? Was he telling Ullmark he was on his own with that guy? Was it his imaginary friend from childhood? Just seemed weird since there was no one else over there to take the guy.

 

[Alex1234]

Maybe someone has covered it, and I don't know enough to be critical of him, but who was Hamonic waving to to cover the wing on the third goal? Was he telling Ullmark he was on his own with that guy? Was it his imaginary friend from childhood? Just seemed weird since there was no one else over there to take the guy.

I think he thought Stutzle could catch the Tampa player entering on the left
Ends up it didn't matter and I thought that was the lone goal Linus could have save
At the same time Kleven and Hamonik backed way to deep in the zone and it was a great shot from Hagel from the circle that deflected on Linus glove

On the 4th goal Stu played it really weird going deep on McDonagh who jut had to go around him to score
2 strange goals to give

 

[Micklebot]

Maybe someone has covered it, and I don't know enough to be critical of him, but who was Hamonic waving to to cover the wing on the third goal? Was he telling Ullmark he was on his own with that guy? Was it his imaginary friend from childhood? Just seemed weird since there was no one else over there to take the guy.

He wanted Batherson to cover Guentzel, but Batherson went to Hagel anyways, not that he had any chance catching Guentzel. Batherson really screwed the pooch on that one, had he started back checking earlier when it was clear tbay was starting the rush, we'd have been fine.

 

[Micklebot]

On the 4th goal Stu played it really weird going deep on McDonagh who jut had to go around him to score
2 strange goals to give

I think Stu was trying to cut off the wrap around by sealing the path to the post, idk.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

2 stupid coaching decisions tonight (well, that we know)

Hamonic + too early empty net

Hopefully both Norris and Pinto are in the lineup on February 22nd. This 2 weeks break happens at the right time.



I called it stupid and it was. They scored the GWG on an empty net.

Teams should never pull their goalie out before there's like 1-2 mins left.



Batherson makes 3.25 less than Tkachuk and has the same amount of points while being better defensively.

Points points points points

 

[SpezDispenser]

Wasn't that bad of a loss, considering they just played the night before. Playoff hockey, here we come!!!



26 hours to gO

Agreed, but they were utterly dominated in the first and that needs to change

 

[Gil Gunderson]

We’re probably f***ed this week if this is true. No Pinto against Tampa and Florida is a terrible way to head into the break. Ullmark will need to steal at least one.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

If anyone thinks we lost that game cuz of Hammer then you don't really get hockey.

 

[OD99]

If anyone thinks we lost that game cuz of Hammer then you don't really get hockey.

It's not about blaming him for the loss, it's about icing the most competitive lineup.

Why break up a pair that had been doing so well, and getting better? Why break up their rhythm?

 

[Boud]

It's not about blaming him for the loss, it's about icing the most competitive lineup.

Why break up a pair that had been doing so well, and getting better? Why break up their rhythm?

This is a patented coach mistake because they have to deal with the humans in the room and the respect aspect of it all. I would bet Hamonic is a well respected veteran on the team so Green feels compelled to not ruffle any feathers by scratching him for a guy who was never supposed to play NHL games this season.

There will come a point though, and hopefully that point is now, where Green makes that decision and let’s Matinpalo play full time.

 

[Whippet]

Maybe someone has covered it, and I don't know enough to be critical of him, but who was Hamonic waving to to cover the wing on the third goal? Was he telling Ullmark he was on his own with that guy? Was it his imaginary friend from childhood? Just seemed weird since there was no one else over there to take the guy.

Was looking for a number 4 and ”Phillips” on the back when that happened. My god how I hated when he used to do that.

For me it’s borderline lack of verbal communication skills and waving your arms can be a unnecessary distraction. Especially when there is no reason to it, like Hamonic did.

Also, as other stated. The loss of Pinto and Norris became evident both in offence and defence. At least we’ve stopped being completely blown out when we’re the inferior team. Could have easily grabbed a point if Giroux did things properly in the end.

However, was good to be reminded of calm and collected Ullmark is in his style. It’s needed when there is chaos around him. Also good that he didn’t completely f*** up his back at a few moments where it seemed like his back could have taken a proper toll.

Anyways. Onwards and upwards

 

[umma gumma]

This is a patented coach mistake because they have to deal with the humans in the room and the respect aspect of it all. I would bet Hamonic is a well respected veteran on the team so Green feels compelled to not ruffle any feathers by scratching him for a guy who was never supposed to play NHL games this season.

There will come a point though, and hopefully that point is now, where Green makes that decision and let’s Matinpalo play full time.

Hamonic was already sitting in favour of Matinpalo, he only slotted in because of the injury to Jensen. With Jensen back pairings should have returned to the way things were.

 

[Micklebot]

Hamonic was already sitting in favour of Matinpalo, he only slotted in because of the injury to Jensen. With Jensen back pairings should have returned to the way things were.

Hamonic was injured, he suffered a LBI after the StL game. Mantipalo was called up because both Hammer and JBD were injured (JBD in practice). He slotted back in because he was healthy enough to return, or at least, that's the official narrative.

 

[umma gumma]

Hamonic was injured, he suffered a LBI after the StL game. Mantipalo was called up because both Hammer and JBD were injured (JBD in practice). He slotted back in because he was healthy enough to return, or at least, that's the official narrative.

Oh that's right...I remember now.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Why is Forsberg starting tonight?

 

[Tuna99]

Why is Forsberg starting tonight?

Because Ullmark has a bad back, and he’s not 100% - it’s load management.

Ullmark is not an everyday goalie - hasn’t been since day 1. It’s just reality

 

[jbeck5]

Why is Forsberg starting tonight?

He's won his last 3 starts and was .960 in his last loss to boot.

So 3-1 with a 2.00 and .935 over the last 4 games.

He deserves regular rotation if he keeps that up, and I'm guessing with ullmark returning from a back injury especially, they want to ease his work load.

I wouldn't be surprised if they split the starts 50-50 while Forsberg provides this type of goaltending.