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GDT: Game #50 - Kraken@Oilers - 7:30 PM MT - The Hotrod returns

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bone said:
I'm not getting the Skinner love fest either. He was directly responsible for what was almost a goal against in the first minute. He just sucks at any kind of decision making defensively.

Ultimately, he's better offensively than a few guys in the lineup, but defensively easily the worst. With a team that's fairly strong offensively, if he wants playing time, he needs to get onto the PK (not happening) or be air tight defensively.

Looking at guys he could replace.

Perry - No special teams either but gamesmanship has helped often this year.
Philp - What's the point of having a rookie up here if you aren't going to test him out. Also, centre vs. winger.
Kapanen - Really the only guy I see that he could swap out as he makes some curious choices defensively at times, but he has contributed on the PK.
Janmark - Seriously, I understand the concerns about lack of scoring with him, but a very key part of the PK and almost never makes a mistake leading to a scoring chance against.
Brown - Similar to Janmark, but he actually scores on occasion as well.
Talk of him over any of the current top 7 is just non-sense so I won't bother listing those.

So we're talking about one guy who he realistically could take out of the lineup, and frankly between the two Kapanen has been just a tiny bit more consistent and is at least an option on the PK.
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Kapanen as well came in here midseason and without a TC and has been better than Skinner and was from the outset starting in his first game. he's been more noticeable since as well. His last goal and assist were exceptional bits of work.

Strange that a longstanding career vet like Skinner wouldn't know of the importance of first impressions on a new club. It seems as if Skinner just figured he could settle in here and get acclimated in his time. Doesnt' work out that way for most players in pro sports. Skinner ought to have read the tea leaves while exiting Buffalo, the worst team in the league. Not sure how that didn't register some urgency in him. But I didn't expect it would either.

Its odd too that even on the fancy plays basis that some fans get attracted too Kap has been much better than Skinner. Several highlight reels already in Kaps work here and he plays pk as you mention. I don't put a ton of stock on fancy plays but in Kaps case where he's found goals and pts its often a very good move leading to those, creating those. Skinner is mostly requiring other players to feed his chances and pts. He's not creating a ton.
 
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Kapanen as well came in here midseason and without a TC and has been better than Skinner and was from the outset starting in his first game. he's been more noticeable since as well. His last goal and assist were exceptional bits of work.

Strange that a longstanding career vet like Skinner wouldn't know of the importance of first impressions on a new club. It seems as if Skinner just figured he could settle in here and get acclimated in his time. Doesnt' work out that way for most players in pro sports. Skinner ought to have read the tea leaves while exiting Buffalo, the worst team in the league. Not sure how that didn't register some urgency in him. But I didn't expect it would either.

Its odd too that even on the fancy plays basis that some fans get attracted too Kap has been much better than Skinner. Several highlight reels already in Kaps work here and he plays pk as you mention. I don't put a ton of stock on fancy plays but in Kaps case where he's found goals and pts its often a very good move leading to those, creating those. Skinner is mostly requiring other players to feed his chances and pts. He's not creating a ton.
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Well for me, I don't see Skinner's issues as effort related or that he came in too comfortable.

I think he genuinely gets the yips and over chases defensively or simply covers the wrong guy. His issues likely stem from the fact that he's never been on a good team before, and likely didn't have coaches reinforcing the right things since he often played on offensively deficient teams, so they'd let those defensive issues slide provided he was scoring, which more years than not, he did.
 
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bone said:
Well for me, I don't see Skinner's issues as effort related or that he came in too comfortable.

I think he genuinely gets the yips and over chases defensively or simply covers the wrong guy. His issues likely stem from the fact that he's never been on a good team before, and likely didn't have coaches reinforcing the right things since he often played on offensively deficient teams, so they'd let those defensive issues slide provided he was scoring, which more years than not, he did.
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I think this sums it up nicely.

Bad teams either don't score, stink defensively, or a bit of both. He's a guy that can score and stinks defensively. On a bad team, the scoring sticks out, but the defence doesn't as much due to the rest of the group probably not being much better.
 
Release the ConnoR!

Anyone post that yet...seemed fitting. Connor beat Gagner's 8 point game tonight.

Edit: Congrats to Stu and family on their second child.
 
Drivesaitl said:
The bottomsix really needs Janmark speed and his invaluable work on pk. Harder player to take out. Kapanen made some star moves in recent games. Not gonna take him out. Skinner has no niche roles on the club. Hes' established none.

My take is Skinner is on borrowed time here. Probably gets packaged going out on a TDL move. Really when the team scratched him on the mothers trip it was a major statement I thought. Unfortunately its one that Skinner had deserved.
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I disagree. I think his key role is as an insurance package.
 
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Knob is above criticism for some. Good coach, but not without flaws
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No coach is without flaws. KK gets a longer leash with many because he's clearly a net positive, moreso than possibly any coach since at least MacT if not all the way back to Sather.

For me, I also think now that KKs comfortably in a position with the team, where not every single point earned is life or death that he likes tinkering a little bit more to have plans for future scenarios or is more inclined to use ice time as a true means of currency if someone isn't complete executing his game plan. So I'm less concerned about things that may look stupid on the surface because I'm pretty confident if it goes really badly, he'll scratch it off his list of options.
 
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bone said:
No coach is without flaws. KK gets a longer leash with many because he's clearly a net positive, moreso than possibly any coach since at least MacT if not all the way back to Sather.

For me, I also think now that KKs comfortably in a position with the team, where not every single point earned is life or death that he likes tinkering a little bit more to have plans for future scenarios or is more inclined to use ice time as a true means of currency if someone isn't complete executing his game plan. So I'm less concerned about things that may look stupid on the surface because I'm pretty confident if it goes really badly, he'll scratch it off his list of options.
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Yep. KK and Coffey have brought the team into playing the best positional and sound hockey I've ever seen here in decades and outside the Pronger year. The adherence to system and buy in is exceptional. Even for Oilers stars one can see from the acceptance of the schemes that players like Drai, Nurse are having best seasons and thriving on the sensible team first systems. KK/Coffey likely the best coaching we've had since Sather/Muckler
 
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bone said:
No coach is without flaws. KK gets a longer leash with many because he's clearly a net positive, moreso than possibly any coach since at least MacT if not all the way back to Sather.

For me, I also think now that KKs comfortably in a position with the team, where not every single point earned is life or death that he likes tinkering a little bit more to have plans for future scenarios or is more inclined to use ice time as a true means of currency if someone isn't complete executing his game plan. So I'm less concerned about things that may look stupid on the surface because I'm pretty confident if it goes really badly, he'll scratch it off his list of options.
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One of my biggest complaints is a slight over reliance on the McDrai stack at times, though it has paid off. Would like Pickard to start a bit more but that’s not all his decision either, of course
 
bone said:
Well for me, I don't see Skinner's issues as effort related or that he came in too comfortable.

I think he genuinely gets the yips and over chases defensively or simply covers the wrong guy. His issues likely stem from the fact that he's never been on a good team before, and likely didn't have coaches reinforcing the right things since he often played on offensively deficient teams, so they'd let those defensive issues slide provided he was scoring, which more years than not, he did.
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Did you watch preseason at all? J Skinner was horrible. He did show up for first 4 games of the year but then disappeared. In anycase a dozen years of playing on bad clubs embedded some flaws in Skinners game. Impossible to know whether they would have been there otherwise. Strikes me as a selfish player. Not a team first guy.
 
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Yep. KK and Coffey have brought the team into playing the best positional and sound hockey I've ever seen here in decades and outside the Pronger year. The adherence to system and buy in is exceptional. Even for Oilers stars one can see from the acceptance of the schemes that players like Drai, Nurse are having best seasons and thriving on the sensible team first systems. KK/Coffey likely the best coaching we've had since Sather/Muckler
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Couldn't agree more, and works especially well given how our team is constructed. A couple of absolute hockey savants, and 2-3 other movers on offense means we just need to wait for our chances and give opponents very little, then let our guys who are capable blow open close games. Although the finishing has been off this season it still seems to be working - imagine how we look when the puck really starts going in for us.
 
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J Skinner was never a fit from day 1. Its a head scratcher why he was even signed.
I have my doubts that Knoblauch was even consulted about such an odd (and unneeded) addition to this team.
It wouldnt surprise me at all if he is sitting because there is a pending deal.
 
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guymez said:
J Skinner was never a fit from day 1. Its a head scratcher why he was even signed.
I have my doubts that Knoblauch was even consulted about such an odd (and unneeded) addition to this team.
It wouldnt surprise me at all if he is sitting because there is a pending deal.
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Perfect deal for me would be Skinner for Nathan Bastien.
 
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Perfect deal for me would be Skinner for Nathan Bastien.
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Not familiar with Nathan Bastien. Looks like he has been getting bottom 6 minutes his entire 5 year (established) NHL career.
Good size. I am assuming that he can PK and he plays a heavy game.
How is his skaitng?
He also hasnt played more than 60 games in a season. Make me wonder if injuries have been an issue.
 
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Not familiar with Nathan Bastien. Looks like he has been getting bottom 6 minutes his entire 5 year (established) NHL career.
Good size. I am assuming that he can PK and he plays a heavy game.
How is his skaitng?
He also hasnt played more than 60 games in a season. Make me wonder if injuries have been an issue.
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He does play a heavy, physical game, can score a little bit. I think is skating is decent (or reasonable enough to put the body on guys). I think it's the physical style he plays.

I don't believe in coke machines or scaring guys with them, but the Oilers could use some more toughness in the line up in general.
 
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With the forward core we currently have, here's how I would do it.

Henrique-Mcdavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Skinner-RNH-Brown
Kapanen-Philip-Perry

Janmark

Janmark is a black hole offensively, and Knob is a very risk averse coach so I get why he loves him. Long term, I'd like to shore up line 3. I don't like Skinner or Henrique in this forward group, they don't bring enough IMO, but the rest are fine. If we can shore up the 3rd line and 2nd pair D I think we're sitting pretty for the playoffs. Maybe another scoring winger for Drai but we don't have the assets for everything, so.
 
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