GDT: Game #50 - Kraken@Oilers - 7:30 PM MT - The Hotrod returns

[McAsuno]

Just win tonight and regain the division lead.
Enough said.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

not a fan of the lineup. As others have mentioned, why scratch Skinner after a good game? Why load Mcdrai?

I also hate that Skinner is scratched.

I kind of love the fact that McDrai are together. f*** I want him to catch & pass MacKinnEN. (See what I did there?)

 

[Pip]

Any word on why no Klingberg at the skate? Seems like a bad sign unless there’s a good excuse.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don’t disagree with anything you said. But I kinda feel for JS at this point. Even when he plays ok to good, he gets nothing. I don’t even really blame KK for not wanting to play with him. Just a miss by Jeff Jackson.

In the same game he scored he was bumped off the puck several times. I think sometimes we can overlook that coaches look more carefully over the game films than we do and have a better take of whos; helpful and who is going. For instance Philps has impressed in a lot of different ways and is much stronger on pucks and on forecheck. So that with a guy like Philps, just an example you have a guy faster, stronger, younger and that has more game at this point. Skinners problem is not just here. Its that for years he learned to "settle" on a certain level of play. This was a known. Was always a risk bet that he was going to be able to play appreciably on an actual contender team. Conversely, and I say this once in awhile, in contrast a player like Toffoli is somebody that plays his best in any circumstance. you know those players are going to always land OK. Skinner has never been a coaches favorite and lots of reasons for that.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How is Skinner supposed to build any success if you scratch him after one of his best games. Mind boggling coaching decision. Janmark hasn’t had a point in like 15 games.

Unless he’s about to get moved.

 

[Pip]

Regarding Skinner getting scratched.. I get why Knob doesn’t like him but he’s one of the few players that can produce not stapled to Connor or Leon. Come playoff time especially if they load up McDrai I have serious concerns about this forward core generating at evens outside of 29/97. Lot of good two way guys that lack finish.

 

[K1984]

In the same game he scored he was bumped off the puck several times. I think sometimes we can overlook that coaches look more carefully over the game films than we do and have a better take of whos; helpful and who is going. For instance Philps has impressed in a lot of different ways and is much stronger on pucks and on forecheck. So that with a guy like Philps, just an example you have a guy faster, stronger, younger and that has more game at this point. Skinners problem is not just here. Its that for years he learned to "settle" on a certain level of play. This was a known. Was always a risk bet that he was going to be able to play appreciably on an actual contender team. Conversely, and I say this once in awhile, in contrast a player like Toffoli is somebody that plays his best in any circumstance. you know those players are going to always land OK. Skinner has never been a coaches favorite and lots of reasons for that.

He also falls over quite a bit. He seems to play with a high centre of gravity and is one of those guys that needs to pull his arms up in the air to pick up his pace.

His play around the net is nice, and he can create chances when he gets the puck. The problem is the other 90% of the ice. He doesn't move the puck well, doesn't have playmaking vision, is slow, isn't very strong at all defensively, and can get bumped around fairly easily.

For a team that needs to further limit and mitigate the risk in their game, I completely understand why Knoblauch isn't a fan. He is a detriment almost everywhere on the ice outside of the slot/around the crease.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Any word on why no Klingberg at the skate? Seems like a bad sign unless there’s a good excuse.

He was paired with Nurse for part of practice, he's been practicing with the team, they just don't list him because he's not drawing in until Thursday

 

[Mr Kot]

Good news! I got the rack and pinion out. That means the Oilers are winning today!

 

[Pip]

He was paired with Nurse for part of practice, he's been practicing with the team, they just don't list him because he's not drawing in until Thursday

He was mentioned as not on the ice but now was clarified as working on some “immigration things” which makes sense.

 

[Oilhawks]

Any word on why no Klingberg at the skate? Seems like a bad sign unless there’s a good excuse.

I think someone posted that he’s sorting out some immigration stuff today (but wasn’t scheduled to play until later anyhow)

 

[Drivesaitl]

Regarding Skinner getting scratched.. I get why Knob doesn’t like him but he’s one of the few players that can produce not stapled to Connor or Leon. Come playoff time especially if they load up McDrai I have serious concerns about this forward core generating at evens outside of 29/97. Lot of good two way guys that lack finish.

But he hasn't produced. I think the Skinner comments are due mostly in this thread just because he happened to have scored a goal last game. Which happened to be a routine rebound goal after he was left open in the slot from gimme range against the worst defending team in the league. I think people look at micro events like that as if Skinner had played well. The coaching staff didn't agree and actually gave him far less toi than the couple previous games. Myself I think Skinner kind of showed up against his ex team, as countless players do, but its also indication of how mixed his commitment is. Even if one thinks Skinner played some sort of good game with only 10mins on ice it was against his old team mates. Almost anybody with a pulse can manage to get up for that couple games a year.

It is odd though to see on the board 20posts in the thread complaining about J Nothingburger Skinner not being in the lineup. Wasn't a couple weeks ago people were wanting him to stay out of the lineup.

He also falls over quite a bit. He seems to play with a high centre of gravity and is one of those guys that needs to pull his arms up in the air to pick up his pace.

His play around the net is nice, and he can create chances when he gets the puck. The problem is the other 90% of the ice. He doesn't move the puck well, doesn't have playmaking vision, is slow, isn't very strong at all defensively, and can get bumped around fairly easily.

For a team that needs to further limit and mitigate the risk in their game, I completely understand why Knoblauch isn't a fan. He is a detriment almost everywhere on the ice outside of the slot/around the crease.

Bang. Absolutely. I'll add that he's listed at 200lbs. This is one of the weakest players on the puck I've seen for a forward at 200lbs. He's sure not strong on pucks or on his skates.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

Any word on why no Klingberg at the skate? Seems like a bad sign unless there’s a good excuse.

I believe it was said he is dealing with some immigration things today.

If he doesn't play well, I say we send him back and build the wall. They're not sending their best!

 

[Pip]

But he hasn't produced.

He produced pretty well relative to his ice time and without 97/29. Not amazing but considering the constant scratches and bouncing around the lineup he sticks out as someone that can produce when given the opportunity.

 

[CupofOil]

Weird lineup and I'd sit Janmark (who I generally like but has been pretty bad for a while) for Skinner to get Skinner going or at least showcase him for a trade but Knoblauch really doesn't like him if he's scratching him after a set of pretty good games including a big goal last game.

I always dislike the McDrai thing but I think this is a matter of Knoblauch tinkering with other, new, lines to see what works which I don't mind as long as it's temporary.

 

[FlameChampion]

But he hasn't produced. I think the Skinner comments are due mostly in this thread just because he happened to have scored a goal last game. Which happened to be a routine rebound goal after he was left open in the slot from gimme range against the worst defending team in the league. I think people look at micro events like that as if Skinner had played well. The coaching staff didn't agree and actually gave him far less toi than the couple previous games. Myself I think Skinner kind of showed up against his ex team, as countless players do, but its also indication of how mixed his commitment is. Even if one thinks Skinner played some sort of good game with only 10mins on ice it was against his old team mates. Almost anybody with a pulse can manage to get up for that couple games a year.

It is odd though to see on the board 20posts in the thread complaining about J Nothingburger Skinner not being in the lineup. Wasn't a couple weeks ago people were wanting him to stay out of the lineup.


Bang. Absolutely. I'll add that he's listed at 200lbs. This is one of the weakest players on the puck I've seen for a forward at 200lbs. He's sure not strong on pucks or on his skates.

I agree with a lot of your post. Its clear that JS doesn’t fit on this team. The coach obviously isn’t a fan of his game which is understandable. Hes a flawed player.

But I don’t think it’s really fair to call him out on his production. He’s out producing Arviddson, Podkolzin, Henrique, etc and he’s not getting much of an opportunity or really put in good spots.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

But he hasn't produced. I think the Skinner comments are due mostly in this thread just because he happened to have scored a goal last game. Which happened to be a routine rebound goal after he was left open in the slot from gimme range against the worst defending team in the league. I think people look at micro events like that as if Skinner had played well. The coaching staff didn't agree and actually gave him far less toi than the couple previous games. Myself I think Skinner kind of showed up against his ex team, as countless players do, but its also indication of how mixed his commitment is. Even if one thinks Skinner played some sort of good game with only 10mins on ice it was against his old team mates. Almost anybody with a pulse can manage to get up for that couple games a year.

It is odd though to see on the board 20posts in the thread complaining about J Nothingburger Skinner not being in the lineup. Wasn't a couple weeks ago people were wanting him to stay out of the lineup.


Bang. Absolutely. I'll add that he's listed at 200lbs. This is one of the weakest players on the puck I've seen for a forward at 200lbs. He's sure not strong on pucks or on his skates.

He had a good game. Everything backs that up. He also scored an important goal… your typical it was an easy goal thing is irrelevant.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Crying over the treatment of Jeff Skinner

team must be doing really well if that's the main issue right now

 

[Drivesaitl]

I agree with a lot of your post. Its clear that JS doesn’t fit on this team. The coach obviously isn’t a fan of his game which is understandable. Hes a flawed player.

But I don’t think it’s really fair to call him out on his production. He’s out producing Arviddson, Podkolzin, Henrique, etc and he’s not getting much of an opportunity or really put in good spots.

I won't argue on Arvid. I don't think he's giving us much. But Podz and Henrique are and they offer a lot of other facets of play Skinner doesn't. Henrique is essential in our bottomsix and is a Center. So that he has a pretty indispensable role here. Certainly nobody is taking him out, and really Henrique has been the hotter of the players and is even producing lately. For Skinner with just one role here, production, he hasn't scratched enough of that to even differentiate from anybody.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Let's play a little better than the last game, okay?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Let's play a little better than the last game, okay?

Would recommend, but McDavid is back and rested, so I suspect that's quite likely.

 

[JordanGalhanth]

Would recommend, but McDavid is back and rested, so I suspect that's quite likely.

I'd love to hit 10 for once. Don't know that the Oilers have done that in my lifetime.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'd love to hit 10 for once. Don't know that the Oilers have done that in my lifetime.

I would love it too, but they just don't run it up like they did in the old days lol.

 

[bone]

But he hasn't produced. I think the Skinner comments are due mostly in this thread just because he happened to have scored a goal last game. Which happened to be a routine rebound goal after he was left open in the slot from gimme range against the worst defending team in the league. I think people look at micro events like that as if Skinner had played well. The coaching staff didn't agree and actually gave him far less toi than the couple previous games. Myself I think Skinner kind of showed up against his ex team, as countless players do, but its also indication of how mixed his commitment is. Even if one thinks Skinner played some sort of good game with only 10mins on ice it was against his old team mates. Almost anybody with a pulse can manage to get up for that couple games a year.

It is odd though to see on the board 20posts in the thread complaining about J Nothingburger Skinner not being in the lineup. Wasn't a couple weeks ago people were wanting him to stay out of the lineup.


Bang. Absolutely. I'll add that he's listed at 200lbs. This is one of the weakest players on the puck I've seen for a forward at 200lbs. He's sure not strong on pucks or on his skates.

I'm not getting the Skinner love fest either. He was directly responsible for what was almost a goal against in the first minute. He just sucks at any kind of decision making defensively.

Ultimately, he's better offensively than a few guys in the lineup, but defensively easily the worst. With a team that's fairly strong offensively, if he wants playing time, he needs to get onto the PK (not happening) or be air tight defensively.

Looking at guys he could replace.

Perry - No special teams either but gamesmanship has helped often this year.
Philp - What's the point of having a rookie up here if you aren't going to test him out. Also, centre vs. winger.
Kapanen - Really the only guy I see that he could swap out as he makes some curious choices defensively at times, but he has contributed on the PK.
Janmark - Seriously, I understand the concerns about lack of scoring with him, but a very key part of the PK and almost never makes a mistake leading to a scoring chance against.
Brown - Similar to Janmark, but he actually scores on occasion as well.
Talk of him over any of the current top 7 is just non-sense so I won't bother listing those.

So we're talking about one guy who he realistically could take out of the lineup, and frankly between the two Kapanen has been just a tiny bit more consistent and is at least an option on the PK.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Crying over the treatment of Jeff Skinner

team must be doing really well if that's the main issue right now

Questioning lineup decisions is now crying.

Right.