GDT: Game 40: Sharks vs. Flyers 5:00pm NBCSCA

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I never wanna hear how Mack has a better supporting cast ever again lol

Eh to be fair if Eklund was in the lineup there’s an argument

i'm ready to relive the glory days.

serisously, he may not be able to make all the plays anymore but he still does at least have defensive awareness. so many of our D have atrocious awareness.

I’d settle for mediocre, which in the sharks current state is the glory days

 

[fasterthanlight]

I never wanna hear how Mack has a better supporting cast ever again lol

Well he might not have a better cast, but he was trash according to 99th percentile Fenwick xvf50/60 in this game, thus, he should retire because michkov is in another league

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Boys just didn't have it tonight. Celebrini's line was the only one that could manufacture much of anything but even they are doing that in spite of blue line puck movers. The entire top four in ES TOI are not NHL caliber puck movers. Even someone as great as Celebrini is going to have a tough time sustaining offensive pressure when they can't be relied on to make the play with the puck. The blue line still has quite a long ways to go.

 

[timorous me]

Maybe they were like me and celebrated New Year's Eve a night early

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[SjMilhouse]

2 more years. It's up after 26-27.

Pain

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Is that the fewest GAA that Garbagiev has had since he’s been in San Jose? Definitely his best sv % .822

And yet, still, Fourgiev.

 

[TheBeard]

Dont worry the next 3 games are TB, NJ, and Vegas

It could he Anaheim, Chicago and Montreal and we’d probably still lose all three.

But, you know, tank n stuff.

 

[drunksage]

SNOG announcement​

We're back in a SNOG slump, apparently.

#	Date / Opponent​	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result​
1	Oct. 10 vs Blues	none	Blues 5-4 OT
2	Oct. 12 vs Ducks	none	Ducks 2-0
3	Oct. 15 at Stars	weastern bias	Stars 3-2 SO
4	Oct. 17 at Blackhawks	weastern bias	Blackhawks 4-2
5	Oct. 18 at Jets	none	Jets 8-3
6	Oct. 20 vs Avalanche	none	Avalanche 4-1
7	Oct. 22 at Ducks	Timo Time	Ducks 3-1
8	Oct. 24 at Kings	Friday	Kings 3-2
9	Oct. 26 at VGK	none	VGK 7-3
10	Oct. 28 at Utah	none	Sharks 5-4 OT
11	Oct. 29 vs Kings	MackAttack71, bluefunnel, sharks_dynasty	Sharks 4-2
12	Oct. 31 vs Blackhawks	none	Sharks 3-2
13	Nov. 2 vs Canucks	none	Canucks 3-2
14	Nov. 5 vs Blue Jackets	none	Sharks 2-1 OT
15	Nov. 7 vs Wild	timorous me	Wild 5-2
16	Nov. 10 at Devils	none	Sharks 1-0
17	Nov. 11 at Flyers	TheBigDrunkPanda	Flyers 4-3 SO
18	Nov. 14 at Rangers	none	Rangers 3-2
19	Nov. 16 at Penguins	PattyLafontaine	Penguins 4-3 SO
20	Nov. 18 vs Red Wings	none	Sharks 5-4 OT
21	Nov. 20 at Stars	weastern bias	Stars 5-2
22	Nov. 21 at Blues	bullslugg, coooldude	Blues 3-2 SO
23	Nov. 23 vs Sabres	none	Sabres 4-2
24	Nov. 25 vs Kings	none	Sharks 7-2
25	Nov. 27 vs Senators	coooldude, PattyLafontaine	Senators 4-3
26	Nov. 29 vs Kraken	none	Sharks 8-5
27	Nov. 30 at Kraken	bluefunnel	Sharks 4-2
28	Dec. 3 at Capitals	none	Sharks 2-1 OT
29	Dec. 5 at Lightning	none	Lightning 8-1
30	Dec. 7 at Panthers	none	Panthers 3-1
31	Dec. 10 at Hurricanes	Timo Time	Hurricanes 3-2
32	Dec. 12 at Blues	MackAttack71	Sharks 4-3
33	Dec. 14 vs Utah	bullslugg	Hockey Club 4-3
34	Dec. 17 vs Jets	SJSharksfan39	Jets 4-3
35	Dec. 19 vs Avalanche	anthonyyy	Avalanche 4-2
36	Dec. 21 at Oilers	PattyLafontaine	Oilers 3-2 OT
37	Dec. 23 at Canucks	Timo Time	Canucks 4-3
38	Dec. 27 vs VGK	SJSharksfan39	VGK 6-3
39	Dec. 28 vs Flames	none	Flames 3-1
40	Dec. 31 vs Flyers	none	Flyers 4-0

Rank	2024-25 SNOG standings​	# of SNOGs
T-1.	PattyLafontaine, Timo Time, weastern bias	3
T-4.	bluefunnel, bullslugg, coooldude, MackAttack71, SJSharksfan39	2
T-9.	anthonyyy, Friday, sharks_dynasty, TheBigDrunkPanda, timorous me	1

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

Georgiev admitted that the Seeler goal was a "bad goal, unlucky goal".

Says he feels like his game is close to where he wants it, and in fairness to him, after the Seeler goal, he didn't get a lot of support on either end of things

Ultimate team player

 

[LadyStanley]

Sheng has a case of optimism

 

[Star Platinum]

Sheng has a case of optimism

I realize that the coach can't just say "my players suck, that's the problem", but I really don't enjoy coaches rolling out the "we gotta play more desperate" stuff. Grit takes you only so far.

I'm a big believer in that there's only so much any coach can do in professional sports and after that it's up to the players to perform, but what concerns me about this team is that I don't see any sort of trajectory where you can say they're getting better at anything. Blackwood was hiding a lot of flaws.

 

[Cas]

The key problems are that we have a non-NHL-quality goaltender, an entire defensive corps of seventh defensemen, and are playing at least one line of 14th forwards every night and with the rest of the lineup at least one line higher than they belong.

Guys like Ferraro, Ceci, Wennberg, and Kunin should be bottom pair/line guys, playing 16 or 10 minutes a night. Guys like Rutta, Thrun, Goodrow, Grundstrom, Dellandrea, and Sturm should be playing no more than 30 games a season, when someone else is hurt. Most of these players will not have a guaranteed NHL contract when they leave the Sharks - they're just plain not good.

The fact that we've even had a chance to win any of these last bunch of games is the surprising thing, not that we're as bad as we are.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

The key problems are that we have a non-NHL-quality goaltender, an entire defensive corps of seventh defensemen, and are playing at least one line of 14th forwards every night and with the rest of the lineup at least one line higher than they belong.

Guys like Ferraro, Ceci, Wennberg, and Kunin should be bottom pair/line guys, playing 16 or 10 minutes a night. Guys like Rutta, Thrun, Goodrow, Grundstrom, Dellandrea, and Sturm should be playing no more than 30 games a season, when someone else is hurt. Most of these players will not have a guaranteed NHL contract when they leave the Sharks - they're just plain not good.

The fact that we've even had a chance to win any of these last bunch of games is the surprising thing, not that we're as bad as we are.

Harsh, but fair...

 

[Jargon]

The key problems are that we have a non-NHL-quality goaltender, an entire defensive corps of seventh defensemen, and are playing at least one line of 14th forwards every night and with the rest of the lineup at least one line higher than they belong.

Guys like Ferraro, Ceci, Wennberg, and Kunin should be bottom pair/line guys, playing 16 or 10 minutes a night. Guys like Rutta, Thrun, Goodrow, Grundstrom, Dellandrea, and Sturm should be playing no more than 30 games a season, when someone else is hurt. Most of these players will not have a guaranteed NHL contract when they leave the Sharks - they're just plain not good.

The fact that we've even had a chance to win any of these last bunch of games is the surprising thing, not that we're as bad as we are.

I think Wennberg is a pretty good 3C and Sturm is a good 4C. I think our defense — particularly without Walman — is so bad at moving the puck that it stunts the entire flow of the game. I think can’t transition well and we can’t get the puck out of the zone well and even IN the offensive zone, the D isn’t keeping the plays alive (unless it’s Walman or Liljegren and now a bit with Muhk) so it makes everyone look far worse.

We DESPERATELY need Walman back and for Muhk to keep developing and ideally taking a spot on the 2nd pairing sooner than later.

But this is why it’s important really kind of important for us to get Schaefer. Having Schaefer, Dickinson and Muhk goes a long way into solidifying our future.

 

[ChompChomp]

But this is why it’s important really kind of important for us to get Schaefer. Having Schaefer, Dickinson and Muhk goes a long way into solidifying our future.

This is why I'll on the die on the hill that Grier has mandated that Warso start Georgiev every game except for one side of a back to back.

I think he's been dead set on Schaefer since the season started, and the Sharks got a little "too good" in late November which might have jeopardized their shot at 1OA and maybe even a top 4 draft spot if they continued to play well, so he traded away Blackwood right then and there (Dec 2, instead of closer to the trade deadline) and instructed Warso to start Georgiev all the time except on a back to back, knowing that even if the Sharks play well, Georgiev would still lose most of the time. And that Warso is complying because he's on board with the rebuild plan, and this isn't a Chicago Wolves playoffs vs. Carolina Hurricanes situation.

 

[Cas]

I think Wennberg is a pretty good 3C and Sturm is a good 4C. I think our defense — particularly without Walman — is so bad at moving the puck that it stunts the entire flow of the game. I think can’t transition well and we can’t get the puck out of the zone well and even IN the offensive zone, the D isn’t keeping the plays alive (unless it’s Walman or Liljegren and now a bit with Muhk) so it makes everyone look far worse.

We DESPERATELY need Walman back and for Muhk to keep developing and ideally taking a spot on the 2nd pairing sooner than later.

But this is why it’s important really kind of important for us to get Schaefer. Having Schaefer, Dickinson and Muhk goes a long way into solidifying our future.

I think Sturm is a plug and I've thought that for more than a year now.

We do desperately need defensemen worth a damn, but we desperately need literally everything, so...

 

[coooldude]

I think Sturm is a plug and I've thought that for more than a year now.

We do desperately need defensemen worth a damn, but we desperately need literally everything, so...

Sturm has had decent games and he's decent in the dot. Last night he and everyone looked completely toothless. For a big fast dude he sure gets knocked off the puck a lot.

 

[Anomie2029]

Sturm has had decent games and he's decent in the dot. Last night he and everyone looked completely toothless. For a big fast dude he sure gets knocked off the puck a lot.

I don’t know if I’d ever call Sturm fast. He handles the puck only slightly better than Goodrow.

Goodrow should be in Europe and Sturm is fine on the 4th line but probably should be a 13th forward.

 

[Star Platinum]

I don’t know if I’d ever call Sturm fast. He handles the puck only slightly better than Goodrow.

Goodrow should be in Europe and Sturm is fine on the 4th line but probably should be a 13th forward.

Other than Celebrini, I wouldn't call anybody on the team fast.

 

[Jargon]

Other than Celebrini, I wouldn't call anybody on the team fast.

Kovalenko is pretty fast. But yeah, agreed.

This is why I'll on the die on the hill that Grier has mandated that Warso start Georgiev every game except for one side of a back to back.

I think he's been dead set on Schaefer since the season started, and the Sharks got a little "too good" in late November which might have jeopardized their shot at 1OA and maybe even a top 4 draft spot if they continued to play well, so he traded away Blackwood right then and there (Dec 2, instead of closer to the trade deadline) and instructed Warso to start Georgiev all the time except on a back to back, knowing that even if the Sharks play well, Georgiev would still lose most of the time. And that Warso is complying because he's on board with the rebuild plan, and this isn't a Chicago Wolves playoffs vs. Carolina Hurricanes situation.

I actually don’t really think this is true. I don’t think a guy like Grier or a guy like Warsofsky very “actively” tank.

I think last year, if you looked at the roster in the summer — with Hertl, Couture and Granlund down the middle (but a terrible defense), I think Grier was expecting a bottom 5 team that could be watchable but still get a high pick. Injuries (plus terrible defense and guys like Hoffman, etc., probably coaching) sorta ruined that.

I don’t think he traded Blackwood because they were doing too well - I promise you he’d love it if the team shocked everyone and made a playoff run. It’s not only good for his rookies, it’s good for his career. He traded Blackwood because Grier sticks to his vision even when it’s painful. A 2nd and Kovalenko is a fantastic deal for Blackwood who he wasn’t going to sign, he took it while the offer was standing.

Georgiev is being played because they don’t want to throw Askarov to the wolves but I suspect he’s quickly going to take the starting role here.

 

[hohosaregood]

The key problems are that we have a non-NHL-quality goaltender, an entire defensive corps of seventh defensemen, and are playing at least one line of 14th forwards every night and with the rest of the lineup at least one line higher than they belong.

Guys like Ferraro, Ceci, Wennberg, and Kunin should be bottom pair/line guys, playing 16 or 10 minutes a night. Guys like Rutta, Thrun, Goodrow, Grundstrom, Dellandrea, and Sturm should be playing no more than 30 games a season, when someone else is hurt. Most of these players will not have a guaranteed NHL contract when they leave the Sharks - they're just plain not good.

The fact that we've even had a chance to win any of these last bunch of games is the surprising thing, not that we're as bad as we are.

i know it's not realistic to just claim everything that goes on waivers but would've been nice to have grabbed Fabbro and Puljujarvi since we still have major depth issues and those two would've raised the team average a bit.

 

[karltonian]

i know it's not realistic to just claim everything that goes on waivers but would've been nice to have grabbed Fabbro and Puljujarvi since we still have major depth issues and those two would've raised the team average a bit.

Yeah even if pulju is no better than the second coming of kostin, that's still better than like half our forwards.

 

[Cas]

Yeah even if pulju is no better than the second coming of kostin, that's still better than like half our forwards.

I think that might be overstating his quality and potential.