GDT: Game 4: Pittsburgh Penguins vs Montreal Canadiens 10/17/22- 7:00pm EST SNE, RDS, TSN 690- Jeff's Return

[Runner77]

I hope people also keep in mind, that Petry was simply trying to remain happily married without any family complications.

#happywifehappylife

That was at play but there were other matters under his immediate control, like not throwing his coach under the bus, in front of our media. A vet and team leader like him could have just spoken to his coach privately, instead.

But, since that coach was Dom, it was seen as a welcome move by a lot of fans.

 

[salbutera]

That was at play but there were other matters under his immediate control, like not throwing his coach under the bus, in front of our media. A vet and team leader like him could have just spoken to his coach privately, instead.

Do we know for a fact he didn’t? Players with no rep for causing “trouble” don’t just start doing so…

 

[Captain Mountain]

Who cares. He should get booed. He whined his way out of town and played like absolute shit last year to get his way.

This isn’t PK Subban who provided us with far better years, entertainment and donations. Petry was just a solid player.

He didn't whine his way out of town, he asked for a trade to a US market for family reasons and complained about Ducharme's lack of coherent plan. He was also not the only player to express frustration and he was 100% correct.

 

[le_sean]

He didn't whine his way out of town, he asked for a trade to a US market for family reasons and complained about Ducharme's lack of coherent plan. He was also not the only player to express frustration and he was 100% correct.

Yes he whined about the coach and played the worst hockey of his career to drive home his point of being unhappy. And before people say “everyone played bad,” he was a special kind of bad. Basically did everything short of shooting the puck into his own net.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

This.

Of course we have assholes fans so he will get booed anyway.

You can also consider him being paid 6.5m a year and threw the team into mud and then he abandoned his teammates like Allen and acted like a manchild an entire season.

People literally booed him last season at the Bell center and literally Everyone wanted to throw his ass out the city.

A standing ovation because he played with a broken finger? Just because he played 6 years with us?


Patrice Bergeron played with a punctured lung against the Hawks.

 

[Runner77]

Do we know for a fact he didn’t?

What fact was that? That he was going to throw his coach under the bus? Do you think he told him that? Dom was blindsided and said as much.

So no, he didn’t tell his coach privately that he was going to skewer him publicly.

 

[Habs10Habs]

Because he's the PP coach?

I"m far from being a Burrows supporter. But in fairness, what does he really have to work with? We don't even have a decent PP quarter back yet.

 

[HuGort]

Monahan on top line with Suzuki and Caufield. Habs giving him chance to boost his trade value? Did same thing with Lekhonen down the stretch last year

 

[Canadienna]

What fact was that? That he was going to throw his coach under the bus? Do you think he told him that? Dom was blindsided and said as much.

So no, he didn’t tell his coach privately that he was going to skewer him publicly.

I mean I feel like it's a single comment in a horrendous season where everything was going wrong for him.

On top of that he wasn't even wrong.

No, maybe it wasn't the smart vet thing to do.

That said, the way Suzuki and Caufield talk about how he was like their big brother - Hanging with Petry's family and him being a guy they could talk to - makes me feel he was still a good vet.

 

[peate]

I"m far from being a Burrows supporter. But in fairness, what does he really have to work with? We don't even have a decent PP quarter back yet.

For one, STOP with the drop pass. It worked once, by chance.

 

[Runner77]

I"m far from being a Burrows supporter. But in fairness, what does he really have to work with? We don't even have a decent PP quarter back yet.

If Burrows is not to be held to account because the PP is missing an elite QB type, should he only be valued when being able to count on a full wave of critical PP assets?

If that’s the case, why would we need a PP coach?

I would have expected a PP coach who doesn’t have every critical component, to act more creatively, to tweak, experiment with different systems, permutations, perhaps even review the PPs of teams that don’t have an elite PP QB and draw data and ideas that he could implement.

 

[Habs10Habs]

For one, STOP with the drop pass. It worked once, by chance.

Yeah that I'll 150% agree with you lol

 

[SupRocket]

So much people are freaking out about Slaf being on the 4th line is kind of hilarious. This is just the 3rd game of his NHL career, let's all chill out with the pichforks.

I don't see how trying him with different linemates is a bad thing, especially with how much trouble both Gallagher and Dvorak had finding him. Obviously, Evans and Hoffman aren't hot studs either, but may be they will have better chemistry with him.

 

[Treb]

I"m far from being a Burrows supporter. But in fairness, what does he really have to work with? We don't even have a decent PP quarter back yet.

The strategies he uses are bad. I sigh everytime I see our team attempt the slingshot in the neutral zone.

His stuff worked in the AHL and in the first week or so in the NHL, but at that point I think we need a new brain.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Yes he whined about the coach and played the worst hockey of his career to drive home his point of being unhappy. And before people say “everyone played bad,” he was a special kind of bad. Basically did everything short of shooting the puck into his own net.

There is no, and I mean no way you could possibly substantiate that "he was a special kind of bad".

And literally everyone in the hockey world agreed with him. Ducharme's cluelessness was a meme in other markets, it was that obvious.

I'm not really sure why you're framing this in a manner that can only really be interpreted as a defense of Ducharme or the flawed and rigid old boys club of the Bergevin era, but Petry's frustration was justified and his complaints were obviously accurate.

 

[Mcdonaldz]

I love how Stephane Waite is just incapable of saying the last name of Jake Allen because he knows him so well.

Jake Jake Jake Jake
He does the same thing with Carey loll

 

[Runner77]

For one, STOP with the drop pass. It worked once, by chance.

RDS had a viewer question about that very thing last week.

The answer from their panelists made sense (for one of the few times lol).

The panelists posited that the drop pass only consistently works (higher probability) when you have elite type players involved. Lesser players should not be attempting it as it mostly will not succeed.

 

[HuGort]

So much people are freaking out about Slaf being on the 4th line is kind of hilarious. This is just the 3rd game of his NHL career, let's all chill out with the pichforks.

I don't see how trying him with different linemates is a bad thing, especially with how much trouble both Gallagher and Dvorak had finding him. Obviously, Evans and Hoffman aren't hot studs either, but may be they will have better chemistry with him.

Top overall pick I think many were expecting more. I would rather see him playing first line minutes in Laval. Developing is mainly about playing. Huge part of it at least. Extra 10 minutes a night going to double the time played.

 

[Habs10Habs]

If Burrows is not to be held to account because the PP is missing an elite QB type, should he only be valued when being able to count on a full wave of critical PP assets?

If that’s the case, why would we need a PP coach?

I would have expected a PP coach who doesn’t have every critical component, to act more creatively, to tweak, experiment with different systems, permutations, perhaps even review the PPs of teams that don’t have an elite PP QB and draw data and ideas that he could try.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable. All I'm saying is, if you look closely at the players he has available. Now take a look at the top PP units in the NHL. Our 5 man units do not come close.

To be successful, yes. With a proper PP coach, I think we can be better than what we've seen. I just think we don't have enough to be one of the top PP teams. Not yet anyways.

I've seen changes, and tweaks. But again, it all comes down to the players. He's either drawing up incompetent plays, or the players are unable to complete the ones he has drawn up.

I think if you did look that up. You'd see how important a good PP quarterback is.

 

[Milhouse40]

Monahan on top line with Suzuki and Caufield. Habs giving him chance to boost his trade value? Did same thing with Lekhonen down the stretch last year

Have to help our TDL chip....it's part of MSL job this year.
But Monahan still has ton of experience, use to be a 30 goal/60 points guy before injury and showed good things so far. Worth a try.

 

[SupRocket]

Top overall pick I think many were expecting more. I would rather see him playing first line minutes in Laval. Developing is mainly about playing. Huge part of it at least. Extra 10 minutes a night going to double the time played.

Probably, but let's not forget this entire generation of prospect got f***ed pretty hard by COVID. Slaf can hang physically in the NHL. I honestly prefer seeing him grow here than in a league with as much goons as the AHL where many players will make it a personal point to give him hell.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

You can also consider him being paid 6.5m a year and threw the team into mud and then he abandoned his teammates like Allen and acted like a manchild an entire season.

People literally booed him last season at the Bell center and literally Everyone wanted to throw his ass out the city.

A standing ovation because he played with a broken finger? Just because he played 6 years with us?


Patrice Bergeron played with a punctured lung against the Hawks.

Petry was one the most underrated defenceman in the NHL for the past 8 to 10 years. He played in all high leverage situations for this team. As Montreal’s most mobile defenceman, his absence is clearly noticeable this year. Hopefully, with Matheson’s return, this clear deficit will be partially addressed. Petry has been a noble warrior for the Canadiens during his tenure here. His hand injury in our improbable Cup run effectively put an end to that Cinderella story. He has earned our respect.

 

[Runner77]

I mean I feel like it's a single comment in a horrendous season where everything was going wrong for him.

On top of that he wasn't even wrong.

No, maybe it wasn't the smart vet thing to do.

That said, the way Suzuki and Caufield talk about how he was like their big brother - Hanging with Petry's family and him being a guy they could talk to - makes me feel he was still a good vet.

It’s not about whether his comment was wrong or not, it’s just standard protocol to keep certain things within the confines of your dressing room. This was not a rookie player having overspoken.

You are correct that he was well liked by certain players although there were several instances where he didn’t get involved when opposing players took liberties on teammates (not fighting but giving some pushback) — a memorable one was Monty getting wiped out from behind his net by Kassian within Petry’s direct line of sight and him being close enough to the incident. And he just stood there and did nothing.

 

[Habs10Habs]

The strategies he uses are bad. I sigh everytime I see our team attempt the slingshot in the neutral zone.

His stuff worked in the AHL and in the first week or so in the NHL, but at that point I think we need a new brain.

Agreed, I wasn't a fan of him from the beginning. I've lost count at how many times I've thrown pillows at my TV when they attempt the sling shot.

My point is that at some point, we have to put some of the blame on the players. Fanning on one timers, not seeing the open man. Losing puck battles, even when we outnumber the other team.

I'm with you that we need a new brain. I just think that the blame for the PP's inadequate performance so far. Should be spread out, and not put directly on Burrows shoulders.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable. All I'm saying is, if you look closely at the players he has available. Now take a look at the top PP units in the NHL. Our 5 man units do not come close.

To be successful, yes. With a proper PP coach, I think we can be better than what we've seen. I just think we don't have enough to be one of the top PP teams. Not yet anyways.

I've seen changes, and tweaks. But again, it all comes down to the players. He's either drawing up incompetent plays, or the players are unable to complete the ones he has drawn up.

I think if you did look that up. You'd see how important a good PP quarterback is.

And in our case.....right now, we don't even have a point shot like we had with Weber or Petry.
How many goals in the NHL on the PP came from the point?

So no quarterback, no point shot.

This is one of the thing Hugues will have to pay to get unless a miracle comes from our prospects shortly......even if he has to overpay to get it.