GDT: Game 4: Pittsburgh Penguins vs Montreal Canadiens 10/17/22- 7:00pm EST SNE, RDS, TSN 690- Jeff's Return

[Runner77]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable. All I'm saying is, if you look closely at the players he has available. Now take a look at the top PP units in the NHL. Our 5 man units do not come close.

To be successful, yes. With a proper PP coach, I think we can be better than what we've seen. I just think we don't have enough to be one of the top PP teams. Not yet anyways.

I've seen changes, and tweaks. But again, it all comes down to the players. He's either drawing up incompetent plays, or the players are unable to complete the ones he has drawn up.

I think if you did look that up. You'd see how important a good PP quarterback is.

No question about the PP QB and we do know why we couldn’t get one in the last 10 years. Our prior management favored shutdown types.

Question is, not every team has that elite PP QB — are there any among these that have a successful PP?

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

And in our case.....right now, we don't even have a point shot like we had with Weber or Petry.
How many goals in the NHL on the PP came from the point?

So no quarterback, no point shot.

This is one of the thing Hugues will have to pay to get unless a miracle comes from our prospects shortly......even if he has to overpay to get it.

Xhekaj has a good shot from the point, probably the best one of all the defensemen we have.

 

[Habs10Habs]

And in our case.....right now, we don't even have a point shot like we had with Weber or Petry.
How many goals in the NHL on the PP came from the point?

So no quarterback, no point shot.

This is one of the thing Hugues will have to pay to get unless a miracle comes from our prospects shortly......even if he has to overpay to get it.

No point shot, no one from the point who could properly distribute the puck. Right now, we have Wideman. Maybe Ghule if he's ready. But I'm guessing MSL is giving him the same treatment as Slaf. He doesn't want to overload him.

 

[Redux91]

If Jeff isn't showered with boos anytime he touches the puck I will be VERY very upset lol

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Petry was one the most underrated defenceman in the NHL for the past 8 to 10 years. He played in all high leverage situations for this team. As Montreal’s most mobile defenceman, his absence is clearly noticeable this year. Hopefully, with Matheson’s return, this clear deficit will be partially addressed. Petry has been a noble warrior for the Canadiens during his tenure here. His hand injury in our improbable Cup run effectively put an end to that Cinderella story. He has earned our respect.

8 to 10 years? He literally started to be decent with us 6 years ago and was abysmal last year so make it 5.

He was beyond average in Edmonton. 10 years , cmon now.

 

[le_sean]

There is no, and I mean no way you could possibly substantiate that "he was a special kind of bad".

And literally everyone in the hockey world agreed with him. Ducharme's cluelessness was a meme in other markets, it was that obvious.

I'm not really sure why you're framing this in a manner that can only really be interpreted as a defense of Ducharme or the flawed and rigid old boys club of the Bergevin era, but Petry's frustration was justified and his complaints were obviously accurate.

So you’re going to disagree that he easily played the worst hockey in his career last year? His first 55 games were completely fine for you?

Don’t care if he hates the coach. You’re being paid $6.5 million a year. Play to your ability. This is also someone that never cared to speak out about anything before but then all of a sudden mopes publicly.

Petry was looking out for Petry. If he gets booed, so be it. This isn’t Koivu. He’s a 2nd pairing defender that played several years here. How are people so defensive of him.

 

[Habs10Habs]

No question about the PP QB and we do know why we couldn’t get one in the last 10 years. Our prior management favored shutdown types.

Question is, not every team has that elite PP QB — are there any among these that have a successful PP?

I haven't had the time to look at the teams with the best PP records. But my guess is, the majority of them have someone who runs their PP. I'd be very surprised if any of the top teams have a "Wideman" caliber player running it.

 

[Canadienna]

Lol Yandle looks so nervous to be on TV.

Funny that someone can play as many NHL games as him but then tighten up in front of a camera.

 

[Runner77]

I haven't had the time to look at the teams with the best PP records. But my guess is, the majority of them have someone who runs their PP. I'd be very surprised if any of the top teams have a "Wideman" caliber player running it.

Burrows’ lack of PP expertise and the absence of a proven track record over a significant time are what irks the most and make it reasonable to look to him as a significant source of the issues plaguing the PP.

Not every team has every ideal component for a successful PP but some find ways. At some point, you have to get the best out of what you’ve got. Is he doing that?

 

[habsterr]

Feels like a 5-2L kinda game.

 

[MXD]

No question about the PP QB and we do know why we couldn’t get one in the last 10 years. Our prior management favored shutdown types.

Question is, not every team has that elite PP QB — are there any among these that have a successful PP?

Quick look at the Top-10 from last season :

Maple Leafs : I wouldn't put Rielly in the Elite group, but not much further than a notch below; they really only needed an average one to make it to the Top-10, however

Blues : They have Krug. A bit special in that they had two very effective waves.

Oilers : They had Tyson Barrie AND McDavid AND Draisaitle.

Rangers : They had Adam Fox AND Panarin

Panthers : Nothing special in terms of QB on D, BUT they had Huberdeau, which should probably should be considered an elite PP QB for our purposes.

Predators : They had Roman Josi, who should've won the Hart FFS.

Avalanche : Explanation not required

Tampa Bay Lightning : Victor Hedman had 40 pts on the power play. He's probably in the same range as Rielly, but they also had the whole forward squad too.

Canucks : They have Quinn Hughes, who has to be considered Elite.

Flames : No obvious elite QB on D, BUT, Johnny Gaudreau. They were worse on the PP than at ES in terms of offense.

So... You have :
Elite QB : Canucks, Predators, Blues
Elite QB as F : Panthers, Flames
Elite QB + Elite Fs : Avalanche, Rangers
McDavid : Oilers
Very Good QB + Crazy Fs : Maple Leafs, Lightning

TL;DR version : If you don't have an elite QB or an elite playmaking forward than can act as a QB, you better have at least a pair of future HHOF'ers on your PP, or else you're not having a Top-10 PP; even then, your QB has to be at least above average.

 

[OldCraig71]

Are there any ceremonies tonight?

 

[Captain Mountain]

So you’re going to disagree that he easily played the worst hockey in his career last year? His first 55 games were completely fine for you?

Don’t care if he hates the coach. You’re being paid $6.5 million a year. Play to your ability. This is also someone that never cares to speak out about anything before but then all of a sudden mopes publicly.

Petry voiced his frustration in December and only played 12 more games until Ducharme got fired. He played 38 games under Ducharme that season. His performance disparity wasn't even the most obvious, Caufield, Suzuki, Dvorak and Toffoli should just as much improvement and in some cases better improvement under MSL.

We can't even substantiate that he hated Ducharme, just that he was frustrated.

Interpreting "someone that never cares to speak out about anything before but then all of a sudden" complains about the game plan as a failing of the player and not the coach that had lost the room so badly that he was fired in a lost season after the new management team said they would keep him on is very strange.

Ducharme had lost the room so badly and was doing such a poor job that he got let go after getting support for the rest of the season in what was already a lost season. He could not clear the bar of a front office who's only goals were to evaluate the roster and trade some players at the deadline, which is the lowest bar there is at the NHL level. But Petry, who never rocked the boat before, was the problem.

 

[Habs10Habs]

If Jeff isn't showered with boos anytime he touches the puck I will be VERY very upset lol

Damn right. Give him his tribute, he deserves it. Then blow your vocal chords out, every time he touches the damn puck lol

 

[expy]

Drouin gonna take a penalty and Perry gonna score on the PP.

 

[The Real Timo]

I am ready! Lessgo!!!

Slaf will get into a fight with Crosby... I want to see that.

 

[OldCraig71]

WOW!

 

[Sugi21]

Slaf on the 4th line? Must be some tough love by St Louis but c’mon if they won’t put him in position to succeed then send him down at least give him an audition in the top 6

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Feels like a 5-2L kinda game.

Wow hold the f*** up.

The Habs score 2 ? Count me in

 

[The Real Timo]

Lately I've been liking Habs choice of anthem singers.

Drouin gonna take a penalty and Perry gonna score on the PP.

Is this a new version of a wet dream?

 

[HabSgt]

Brittany is no Alicia

 

[1909]

Because he's the PP coach?

Come on ! You think MSL and Burrows never talk to each other ?

 

[Sugi21]

Petry will get a nice video tribute. Fans will give him a standing ovation.

And then they will boo the hell out of him whenever he touches the puck.

and then watch his eyes go bloodshot red again into evil Petry

 

[Habs10Habs]

Quick look at the Top-10 from last season :

Maple Leafs : I wouldn't put Rielly in the Elite group, but not much further than a notch below; they really only needed an average one to make it to the Top-10, however

Blues : They have Krug. A bit special in that they had two very effective waves.

Oilers : They had Tyson Barrie AND McDavid AND Draisaitle.

Rangers : They had Adam Fox AND Panarin

Panthers : Nothing special in terms of QB on D, BUT they had Huberdeau, which should probably should be considered an elite PP QB for our purposes.

Predators : They had Roman Josi, who should've won the Hart FFS.

Avalanche : Explanation not required

Tampa Bay Lightning : Victor Hedman had 40 pts on the power play. He's probably in the same range as Rielly, but they also had the whole forward squad too.

Canucks : They have Quinn Hughes, who has to be considered Elite.

Flames : No obvious elite QB on D, BUT, Johnny Gaudreau. They were worse on the PP than at ES in terms of offense.

So... You have :
Elite QB : Canucks, Predators, Blues
Elite QB as F : Panthers, Flames
Elite QB + Elite Fs : Avalanche, Rangers
McDavid : Oilers
Very Good QB + Crazy Fs : Maple Leafs, Lightning

TL;DR version : If you don't have an elite QB or an elite playmaking forward than can act as a QB, you better have at least a pair of future HHOF'ers on your PP, or else you're not having a Top-10 PP; even then, your QB has to be at least above average.

Thanks for doing the research.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Drouin gonna take a penalty and Perry gonna score on the PP.

If Perry can shoot the puck into the net from Tampa Bay ill be really impressed!