GDT: Game #4: Edmonton Oilers vs Coyotes - 7:00pm (AZ) - BSAZ & 98.7FM - Is there a Mercy Rule??

[rt]

Need to 4D chess this thing and ship Kessel to Montreal so they can score some goals.

Get Poehling back for him, so we have another C and can trade Schmaltz.

 

[cobra427]

I’m unhappy because you don’t have to lose every game by five goals in order to be the worst team in the league. We could be much better than we are and still be the worst team. That’s what upsets me a little. We could at least have an NHL caliber goaltender. Even the 40th best goalie in the world would be okay with me. But we have maybe the 90th and 130th best goalies in the world? I don’t have a real ranking and this is just an example. But my actual point is that it’s too extreme. This was too far. And I was complaining about this in early September.

RT, I agree with you. We need better goal tending for the players to at least think we have a chance of winning.

 

[cobra427]

They could have addressed the goaltending issue. Signing Hutton, at all, was never even remotely okay. Picking up the phone and talking to Hutton’s representation even for a minute is gross negligence.

They have FIVE 2nd round picks. It would have been absolutely okay to trade a 3rd round pick for a half decent goaltender. That’s not counter to the rebuild. Getting smoked every single game by 4+ goals is absolutely counter to the rebuild.

Chychrun will demand out. Any progress Keller has made will be completely mitigated, and the brand-new head coach will immediately lose all credibility with his players. That’s detrimental to the rebuild. Losing a 3rd round pick is survivable. This isn’t.

I completely agree, BA overplayed his hand which could have horrible effects on existing young players and his coach's credibility. BA also waited a year to start this rebuild, that was a mistake, he learned nothing new, and nothing avid fans like us already knew. It cost us a year.

 

[justin323032]

Need to 4D chess this thing and ship Kessel to Montreal so they can score some goals.

This is what worries me. Kessel and Keller have actually been putting in honest effort. I'm worried how long it will last before these guys check out. Hopefully the bear doesn't let that happen, I'm sure he won't, but I'm not sure they have the character to sustain the effort when we lose 10 straight.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

You guys are funny. Where does any optimism that would make y'all so angry come from?

What's even funnier is that you know we have a poor roster, are in tank mode and still manage to undervalue what the team is bringing. They were not near as bad as what I've read here, there were some lapses and the Oil pp cleaned our clocks, other than that we played a strong game.... given who we are. I think expectations are verbally acknowledged as low, but when it comes right down to it somehow not believed by many here.

I had a good time last night and the minute the game was over, found myself jonesing for more. Maybe y'all who "aren't going to spend a dime on this team" need to get your asses out in the seats, where Nash won't annoy and just sit and watch the games and find a happy place watching the greatest game on earth!

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Saddest part about the game is I could see the boys deflated and having played so many years recognize the dread of fronting poor net minding. Lindsey Fry, saw the deflation as well, as mentioned on the post game (she's good, by the way) and said it was up to leadership in the room to combat that, not sure that can be done. Considering this, it's unfathomable to me how any of you could want to see more of the kids come up and endure this.

The best part was seeing "the switch" go on for Mayo, after he scored he found a confidence that made him look worthy.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I had a good time last night and the minute the game was over, found myself jonesing for more. Maybe y'all who "aren't going to spend a dime on this team" need to get your asses out in the seats, where Nash won't annoy and just sit and watch the games and find a happy place watching the greatest game on earth!

I'm glad you had fun. But let me just address your exhortation to go see a game in person with this response. I started buying lower level season tickets in 2006 and didn't stop for eleven years. I had tickets to some of the worst Coyotes rosters in the franchise's history. I was front and center for the McDavid Tank Year. I was in the stands for the Aebischer/Auld goalie tandem. I saw Pavel Brendl, David Moss, Brandon Yip, Kyle Chipchura, Tim Kennedy, David Rundblad, and the corpse of Brett Hull "compete" for the franchise. So I've seen pain, I've seen calamity, I've seen bad hockey, from the stands.

This team so far surpasses them all. This team should be the starkest possible proof that professional ice hockey is a consumer product, not a religion, and that nobody is obligated to pay a single penny to watch something this deliberately horrible. They should do a Taco Bell promotion where if the Coyotes lose by four or more goals, everyone gets free tacos the next day, but then Taco Bell would run out of tacos, and in this day and age of supply chain issues, that wouldn't be a great idea.

Thankfully, ASU exists, as do the Arizona Kachinas, so if I want to watch good hockey live in the Valley, I know where I can go. This farce? No thanks.

 

[RemoAZ]

They could have addressed the goaltending issue. Signing Hutton, at all, was never even remotely okay. Picking up the phone and talking to Hutton’s representation even for a minute is gross negligence.

They have FIVE 2nd round picks. It would have been absolutely okay to trade a 3rd round pick for a half decent goaltender. That’s not counter to the rebuild. Getting smoked every single game by 4+ goals is absolutely counter to the rebuild.

Chychrun will demand out. Any progress Keller has made will be completely mitigated, and the brand-new head coach will immediately lose all credibility with his players. That’s detrimental to the rebuild. Losing a 3rd round pick is survivable. This isn’t.

I was probably more pissed than anyone because I don't have a team to go see this season but if you're going to trade Kuemper, DVO and Garland for nothing that's going to be worth watching this season, a goalie isn't going to make a difference, to me anyway. Let it burn!

 

[RABBIT]

Chychrun will demand out

Why is this stated so definitively? You don’t think there’s any chance that ownership and management approached the face of the franchise and said told him to bear down for a really difficult season or two so that they can correct the course?

Chychrun loves AZ, and isn’t naive. He knows what’s going on. If he asks for a trade in the next year or two it’s because he didn’t wanna be here much longer anyway. MANY athletes across all sports stick through the tough years to enjoy the great ones, the path of least resistance is just to think of those who haven’t. They stick in the memory more.

 

[rt]

I was probably more pissed than anyone because I don't have a team to go see this season but if you're going to trade Kuemper, DVO and Garland for nothing that's going to be worth watching this season, a goalie isn't going to make a difference, to me anyway. Let it burn!

There is no reason to be the worst team in the last ten years. It doesn’t improve your odds at Wright. You need only be the worst team this season. Goaltending would make a tremendous difference. The Coyotes are winless with Hutton and Vejmelka. Zero wins and four losses.

The Coyotes would also be winless with Andrei Vasilevsky. The difference is that rather than having a -14 differential in four games, for an average score of 5.5 to 2.0 in their losses, it might be more like a -7 goal differential and be an average of score of 3.75 to 2.00.

This matters. A lot.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I'm glad you had fun. But let me just address your exhortation to go see a game in person with this response. I started buying lower level season tickets in 2006 and didn't stop for eleven years. I had tickets to some of the worst Coyotes rosters in the franchise's history. I was front and center for the McDavid Tank Year. I was in the stands for the Aebischer/Auld goalie tandem. I saw Pavel Brendl, David Moss, Brandon Yip, Kyle Chipchura, Tim Kennedy, David Rundblad, and the corpse of Brett Hull "compete" for the franchise. So I've seen pain, I've seen calamity, I've seen bad hockey, from the stands.

This team so far surpasses them all. This team should be the starkest possible proof that professional ice hockey is a consumer product, not a religion, and that nobody is obligated to pay a single penny to watch something this deliberately horrible. They should do a Taco Bell promotion where if the Coyotes lose by four or more goals, everyone gets free tacos the next day, but then Taco Bell would run out of tacos, and in this day and age of supply chain issues, that wouldn't be a great idea.

Thankfully, ASU exists, as do the Arizona Kachinas, so if I want to watch good hockey live in the Valley, I know where I can go. This farce? No thanks.

There's no better hockey than the NHL, we're just near the bottom is all. I've witnessed all the things you describe first hand as well and missed less than a half dozen games over those years.

Hope you enjoy the Kachina's (smh on the "good hockey" there) and ASU, if that's what makes you happy. The Yotes stature at this point is to be expected and no surprise.

 

[rt]

Why is this stated so definitively? You don’t think there’s any chance that ownership and management approached the face of the franchise and said told him to bear down for a really difficult season or two so that they can correct the course?

Chychrun loves AZ, and isn’t naive. He knows what’s going on. If he asks for a trade in the next year or two it’s because he didn’t wanna be here much longer anyway. MANY athletes across all sports stick through the tough years to enjoy the great ones, the path of least resistance is just to think of those who haven’t. They stick in the memory more.

He’s not going to bail because they’re a last place team. He will bail if they continue to lose by 5 goals per game.

This isn’t binary. A loss isn’t a loss. You can lose without being absolutely humiliated. Losses like the Coyotes have had are only worth one loss in the standings, but they’re worth three losses to the soul.

 

[RABBIT]

He’s not going to bail because they’re a last place team. He will bail if they continue to lose by 5 goals per game.

This isn’t binary. A loss isn’t a loss. You can one without being absolutely humiliated. Losses like the Coyotes have had are only worth one loss in the standings, but they’re worth three losses to the soul.

I don’t disagree. The humiliating losses are aggravating, more so to the players. That said, it’s early on, I think it will be addressed, and I think our core players know the inside track here.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I don’t disagree. The humiliating losses are aggravating, more so to the players. That said, it’s early on, I think it will be addressed, and I think our core players know the inside track here.

The players are the concern for certain, that's why we really need better goal tending.

 

[rt]

I don’t disagree. The humiliating losses are aggravating, more so to the players. That said, it’s early on, I think it will be addressed, and I think our core players know the inside track here.

Starting the season with Carter Hutton and Karel Vejmelka is inexcusable. I’ve said it enough times. So I’ll cool it from here. But it aggravates me. That’s all.

 

[RemoAZ]

They suck. Everybody knew they were going to suck. Sucking a little less wouldn't make a difference. About the only thing trying to suck a little less could do is push them out of the bottom three and we don't want that.

 

[RABBIT]

Starting the season with Carter Hutton and Karel Vejmelka is inexcusable. I’ve said it enough times. So I’ll cool it from here. But it aggravates me. That’s all.

no need to cool it, I get the frustration. Just trying to talk a fellow edge-stander off the edge.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

They suck. Everybody knew they were going to suck. Sucking a little less wouldn't make a difference. About the only thing trying to suck a little less could do is push them out of the bottom three and we don't want that.

That's shortsighted at best.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

This "Chychrun will want out" is our fear talking, that's all. He's given no indication that he will be impatient with the rebuild. And if Chychrun or Keller want out, ok fine. The team will rebuild without them and the loss of Chychrun will be made up by the gain of another strong player from the draft.

 

[RemoAZ]

That's shortsighted at best.

Of course it is. We're looking at the 2022 draft and not beyond. The goal is to lose this season. If it's longer than that, we f***ed it up.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Of course it is. We're looking at the 2022 draft and not beyond. The goal is to lose this season. If it's longer than that, we f***ed it up.

You’re missing the point. Sucking, really sucking is bad for the future, as far as the players that will be kept are concerned. Sucking less and being competitive is a better scenario for those players and the future of the organization.

 

[RemoAZ]

You’re missing the point. Sucking, really sucking is bad for the future, as far as the players that will be kept are concerned. Sucking less and being competitive is a better scenario for those players and the future of the organization.

Well he sold everybody worth a damn from the old roster except Chychrun, Crouse and Keller and I'm sure they see what's going on. Hey, I wanted them to try to add to what they had and just trade off the vets. They decided to burn it down. There are no half way measures when you do that. The only thing they are focused on is the 2022 draft and beyond. They threw away this season. If you're going to do that, might as well make sure you have the best possible chance at the first pick.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Hope you enjoy the Kachina's (smh on the "good hockey" there)

The Kachinas, at least, are having fun playing the game. That means more to me than the "prestige" of bad NHL hockey.

 

[Mangosteen]

Would you say the average player plays 7 to 10 real years of hockey. Asking them to write off 3 to 4 years of there career for a maybe good team. Odds are still against picking first and against a quick rebuild.

I believe the players know this will be a historic bad year, they will not want there name attached to it.

Not standing on an edge, just being realistic. The question I don’t know is will Arizona market survive a rebuild, good thing is our owner is a gambler

 

[Coyotedroppings]

The Kachinas, at least, are having fun playing the game. That means more to me than the "prestige" of bad NHL hockey.

There’s nothing prestigious about it, other than it’s just the highest quality hockey.