GDT: Game #4: Edmonton Oilers vs Coyotes - 7:00pm (AZ) - BSAZ & 98.7FM - Is there a Mercy Rule??

[cobra427]

Would you say the average player plays 7 to 10 real years of hockey. Asking them to write off 3 to 4 years of there career for a maybe good team. Odds are still against picking first and against a quick rebuild.

I believe the players know this will be a historic bad year, they will not want there name attached to it.

Not standing on an edge, just being realistic. The question I don’t know is will Arizona market survive a rebuild, good thing is our owner is a gambler

I looked it up: The average NHL player plays on average 4.5 years. However, when looking at the data in detail the top 25% of players played an average of 12 years, whereas the bottom 75% played an average of 2 years.

Tanking helps the career of border line NHL players, they get a roster spot they wouldn't otherwise get on a better team. All of the better players you would want to keep (forgetting their salary), Chych/Keller/Crouse/Schmaltz, are the ones that would want out. On a better team, their stats would be better, and their next contract would be better, let alone settling for 3 years or more on a losing team.

Careers are too short for young average or above players to not want out of AZ, I know I would, losing sucks and it hurts my very short career earning ability.

 

[zerekstar]

Can't force a guy to sign. He went to Toronto and is in the top 6 of one of the best offenses in the league.

I was not aware that we ever made him an offer.

 

[Jakey53]

I was probably more pissed than anyone because I don't have a team to go see this season but if you're going to trade Kuemper, DVO and Garland for nothing that's going to be worth watching this season, a goalie isn't going to make a difference, to me anyway. Let it burn!

The flame is bright and large and probably won't go out for two years.

 

[Jakey53]

Of course it is. We're looking at the 2022 draft and not beyond. The goal is to lose this season. If it's longer than that, we f***ed it up.

Next year will be no better.

 

[RemoAZ]

Next year will be no better.

It should be. They'll have a few more draft picks playing and hopefully they'll start trying to add actual talent to the roster. It doesn't make sense to play a bunch of kids and still "try" to lose, especially if they get the first pick (yeah I know it won't happen).

 

[PainForShane]

It should be. They'll have a few more draft picks playing and hopefully they'll start trying to add actual talent to the roster. It doesn't make sense to play a bunch of kids and still "try" to lose, especially if they get the first pick (yeah I know it won't happen).

Honestly I don't know about this -- if you look at the cup contenders they usually are built around multiple top 5 draft picks (WSH with Ovi and Backstrom, PIT Crosby and Malkin, COL MacK, Landeskog, Makar, TB with Stamkos, Hedman etc). This build may last multiple years and if it does, for me that is ok. If we draft well, we should have a dynasty level team when the Tempe building is ready, personally I am 100% ok with that. Lots of pain in the meantime though

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Honestly I don't know about this -- if you look at the cup contenders they usually are built around multiple top 5 draft picks (WSH with Ovi and Backstrom, PIT Crosby and Malkin, COL MacK, Landeskog, Makar, TB with Stamkos, Hedman etc). This build may last multiple years and if it does, for me that is ok. If we draft well, we should have a dynasty level team when the Tempe building is ready, personally I am 100% ok with that. Lots of pain in the meantime though

Yes! Everyone gets hung up on the failures like BUF. They're not the norm. We have one chance at this. DO IT UP!

 

[RemoAZ]

Honestly I don't know about this -- if you look at the cup contenders they usually are built around multiple top 5 draft picks (WSH with Ovi and Backstrom, PIT Crosby and Malkin, COL MacK, Landeskog, Makar, TB with Stamkos, Hedman etc). This build may last multiple years and if it does, for me that is ok. If we draft well, we should have a dynasty level team when the Tempe building is ready, personally I am 100% ok with that. Lots of pain in the meantime though

I'm talking about the difference between actually trying to lose, like they are this season and losing simply because they're playing a bunch of kids. Kids with potential I'll tune in and show up to see. What we have now is an unwatchable clown show.

 

[cobra427]

I'm talking about the difference between actually trying to lose, like they are this season and losing simply because they're playing a bunch of kids. Kids with potential I'll tune in and show up to see. What we have now is an unwatchable clown show.

But then you can ruin the kids development. They will get put into situations way above their head and will be asked to do too much. With young players, you have to keep the expectations low and their role needs to be simple. Over time you can give them more responsibility. Skipping steps or too many steps all at once will be counter productive for their growth. Throwing any young players at the current mess is a disaster, I would keep them all in Tucson this year except for a few short stints here and there.

 

[Jakey53]

I'm talking about the difference between actually trying to lose, like they are this season and losing simply because they're playing a bunch of kids. Kids with potential I'll tune in and show up to see. What we have now is an unwatchable clown show.

We have 13 UFA at the end of this year. How many will be replaced with kids, and how many with dumpster diving geritol laced players? BA is always talking about developing players slow so if he holds true to his word what will the roster look like next year. Not sure what the UFA looks like for next year but I doubt many will want to come to this shit show unless BA over pays big time.

 

[Jakey53]

But then you can ruin the kids development. They will get put into situations way above their head and will be asked to do too much. With young players, you have to keep the expectations low and their role needs to be simple. Over time you can give them more responsibility. Skipping steps or too many steps all at once will be counter productive for their growth. Throwing any young players at the current mess is a disaster, I would keep them all in Tucson this year except for a few short stints here and there.

Do we have any Bunting's in Tucson which we have over looked? Mayo had a pretty nice game. If we would have given Bunting a try a year earlier we may have been able to sign him.

 

[RemoAZ]

We have 13 UFA at the end of this year. How many will be replaced with kids, and how many with dumpster diving geritol laced players? BA is always talking about developing players slow so if he holds true to his word what will the roster look like next year. Not sure what the UFA looks like for next year but I doubt many will want to come to this shit show unless BA over pays big time.

Man if they do this next year too, might as well just play at the Ice Den. Won't need any seating.

 

[cobra427]

We have 13 UFA at the end of this year. How many will be replaced with kids, and how many with dumpster diving geritol laced players? BA is always talking about developing players slow so if he holds true to his word what will the roster look like next year. Not sure what the UFA looks like for next year but I doubt many will want to come to this shit show unless BA over pays big time.

They will come if its the only offer for an aging vet UFA. Anyone decent will get a decent offer from other teams and pass on AZ.

 

[Jakey53]

They will come if its the only offer for an aging vet UFA. Anyone decent will get a decent offer from other teams and pass on AZ.

I mean good UFA's not the geritol kind.

 

[cobra427]

I mean good UFA's not the geritol kind.

Teams pay top dollar for those players, its about the money. If we are the highest bid, they will come to AZ. I hope we wait 2 years to try and sign any good UFA's. Next year and likely the year after is too early for us to spend that kind of money given how bad the team will be.

 

[Jakey53]

Teams pay top dollar for those players, its about the money. If we are the highest bid, they will come to AZ. I hope we wait 2 years to try and sign any good UFA's. Next year and likely the year after is too early for us to spend that kind of money given how bad the team will be.

Next year we will be signing more geritol vets. We have 13 UFA's so I'm guessing we need 9 or ten.