Post-Game Talk: Game # 34 Rangers @ Capitals - 12pm - NBC

[duhmetreE]

It also bears pointing out that a guy like Necas played 8 NHL games prior to his D+3. That's Kakko next year.

I dislike Quinn as much as anyone but we have to remember that most guys aren't even sniffing the NHL at the age Laf and Kakko are.

Like Lias and Chytil

I'm not really worried about Laf or Kakko. Our down the middle depth is a major concern though. Zibs IMO is the only long term option (assuming he doesn't demand ludicrous term )

 

[Cag29]

My gut tells me they aren’t going to carry Buch’s next deal, on top of what they are paying Panarin and Kreider, and with Lafreniere, Kakko and Kravtsov in the organization, and with the possibility of either having to extend Zibanejad or find his replacement.

Unfortunately , I think Buch becomes that casualty.

Fortunately, his value has never been higher.

Hate to see him go. But if he has to go hope we get something good h guy or him.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, Laf was a better prospect than Hall and Kakko was probably a better prospect than RNH. Yet somehow the most incompetent franchise of the last 20 years managed to turn them into good, albeit not franchise altering players who were better than both Kakko and Laf. Quinn's player development is WORSE than the player development of the worst franchise of the last 20 years. That's how bad at his job he is. Bottom of the barrel in the NHL.

 

[Machinehead]

Buch isn't the only one. You also have to wonder where Kravtsov is at long-term with the team committed to Panarin and Kreider and we have straight-up too many defensemen in our system.

Next year is also going to be a look-and-see year.

Prior to 22-23, I think we commit to what we're going with and trade the rest for what we don't have.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It also bears pointing out that a guy like Necas played 8 NHL games prior to his D+3. That's Kakko next year.

I dislike Quinn as much as anyone but we have to remember that most guys aren't even sniffing the NHL at the age Laf and Kakko are.

But those that are do better. Also compare Necas and Chytil, although I think Necas was always the better prospect.

 

[Machinehead]

But those that are do better. Also compare Necas and Chytil, although I think Necas was always the better prospect.

A lot of 1st/2nd overall picks go into situations where they get minutes like crazy and that inflates their numbers, for better or worse.

The Rangers were 37-33 when covid stopped the season. We're probably the best team to ever pick 1st overall.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

A lot of 1st/2nd overall picks go into situations where they get minutes like crazy and that inflates their numbers, for better or worse.

The Rangers were 37-33 when covid stopped the season. We're probably the best team to ever pick 1st overall.

Kakko and Laf have both played with top 20 NHL players, including a top 5 one. To be fair Mika was terrible early in the season, but they've gotten chances to get minutes with players that most of these 1st/2nd overall picks could only dream of having.

 

[Machinehead]

Kakko and Laf have both played with top 20 NHL players, including a top 5 one. To be fair Mika was terrible early in the season, but they've gotten chances to get minutes with players that most of these 1st/2nd overall picks could only dream of having.

In a sense, yeah, but they also don't see powerplay time at all.

And Lafreniere got a look here and there but he hasn't been above our third line in weeks.

Kakko probably should score more, that's fair. But I don't think it's his fault.

 

[Nickmo82]

Team is going nowhere with DQ, either now or in the future. 20 minutes of actual hockey doesn't change that.

Also, I'm so lucky that I got to watch the first 40 and miss the rest. Curse you marriage!!!!

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Look I don't want to pile on Quinn unnecessarily. Realistically I understand that he was still involved under Knoblauch, and that this is just a young, inconsistent team. And that the Caps came to play today.

But it's really hard to watch this one, especially the first two periods, in contrast with the last 6, and not wonder if he is helping or hurting the situation at this point.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kakko and Laf have both played with top 20 NHL players, including a top 5 one. To be fair Mika was terrible early in the season, but they've gotten chances to get minutes with players that most of these 1st/2nd overall picks could only dream of having.

That might also work against them...instead of acting the players they've been their entire lives, now they might feel like they need to defer to the stars of the team.

 

[Tob]

At the end of the day, we're not here to develop Quinn. We're here to develop the kids. If we don't have good results in the next 20 games, we're not obligated to stick with Quinn to see his concepts and approach through to success or more likely, a flop.

Not every player develops the same way and a part of that is a different approach from a different staff. Chytil is frustrated, Kakko is frustrated, Laf is frustrated. Can't continue this way.

Edmonton deluded themselves into thinking the coaches and culture aren't the problems for the longest time until it consumed them.

 

[Boris Zubov]

At the end of the day, we're not here to develop Quinn. We're here to develop the kids. If we don't have good results in the next 20 games, we're not obligated to stick with Quinn to see his concepts and approach through to success or more likely, a flop.

Not every player develops the same way and a part of that is a different approach from a different staff. Chytil is frustrated, Kakko is frustrated, Laf is frustrated. Can't continue this way.

Edmonton deluded themselves into thinking the coaches and culture aren't the problems for the longest time until it consumed them.

Feels like there's a strange disconnect between the front office & the coach. He's out there coaching for his job with a roster that clearly isn't in win now mode.

 

[Rongomania]

At the end of the day, we're not here to develop Quinn. We're here to develop the kids. If we don't have good results in the next 20 games, we're not obligated to stick with Quinn to see his concepts and approach through to success or more likely, a flop.

Not every player develops the same way and a part of that is a different approach from a different staff. Chytil is frustrated, Kakko is frustrated, Laf is frustrated. Can't continue this way.

Edmonton deluded themselves into thinking the coaches and culture aren't the problems for the longest time until it consumed them.

We're so much further ahead in so many dimensions of the ice than Edmonton ever has been.

They've failed at growing any type of defensive game and never have anything in net.

We're just waiting on some kids to start scoring.

We are on another planet of rebuild than most teams I've seen.

Next year is the year I really start being hard on them outside of Laf and maybe Miller.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Blackwell got 1st star.

 

[duhmetreE]

This is an infuriating team. We're just a average-below average team. We have a lot of individual talent but it does not come together well... consistently.

We live and die by our counter attack/odd man rushes. Everything else is average to dogshit

 

[Circus86]

And unfortunately in a capped world, where we decided (and most fans agreed with) spending money on Panarin, Trouba, and Kreider, that’s the outcome.

Then you factor in Kravtsov, Kakko, and Lafreniere, and concerns about the center position, and you arrived at the painful reality that he might need to maximize Buch’s value to fill another hole.

That Trouba contract is really going to hurt in a long run. Have to trade some good players to pay a mediocre 2nd pair D. And I think flat cap has nothing to do with the fact that Troubas contract looks bad. Panarins contract still looks ok dispite the flat cap era.

And it's not like he has had no chances. He gets his pp time, ton of prime scoring opportunities, and nothing to show for. I expect Fox like point production or at the very least elite Defense from a 8 million cap D. It was a mistake signing that contract but we just have to live with it now.

 

[Nickmo82]

It's a shame Blackwell potted two. That'll delude the idiot behind the bench that he deserves his minutes (and powerplay time!?) over our young guys with talent.

 

[Circus86]

That Trouba contract is really going to hurt in a long run. Have to trade some good players to pay a mediocre 2nd pair D. And I think flat cap has nothing to do with the fact that Troubas contract looks bad. Panarins contract still looks ok dispite the flat cap era.

And it's not like he has had no chances. He gets his pp time, ton of prime scoring opportunities, and nothing to show for. I expect Fox like point production or at the very least elite defense from an 8 million cap D. It was a mistake signing that contract but we just have to live with it now.

 

[duhmetreE]

It's a shame Blackwell potted two. That'll delude the idiot behind the bench that he deserves his minutes (and powerplay time!?) over our young guys with talent.

Considering we're not practicing tomorrow, I can see him moved up with Panarin again, once we come out with our trademarked 'flat start'. Line scrabble by the 10 min mark in the 1st

Hopefully I'm wrong

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I actually thought Kakko had a better game than his metrics looked. He looked legit dangerous a few times, on the precipice of a multi-point game if execution goes differently. Panarin low key had a pretty big stinker.

 

[CupSeeker]

I actually thought Kakko had a better game than his metrics looked. He looked legit dangerous a few times, on the precipice of a multi-point game if execution goes differently. Panarin low key had a pretty big stinker.

That's what I saw. He is entitled.

 

[Rongomania]

This is an infuriating team. We're just a average-below average team. We have a lot of individual talent but it does not come together well... consistently.

We live and die by our counter attack/odd man rushes. Everything else is average to dogshit

Yeah a straight up growing pains team for sure.

If they are identical to this next year, I think that will be 100x more infuriating.

 

[Edge]

That Trouba contract is really going to hurt in a long run. Have to trade some good players to pay a mediocre 2nd pair D. And I think flat cap has nothing to do with the fact that Troubas contract looks bad. Panarins contract still looks ok dispite the flat cap era.

And it's not like he has had no chances. He gets his pp time, ton of prime scoring opportunities, and nothing to show for. I expect Fox like point production or at the very least elite Defense from a 8 million cap D. It was a mistake signing that contract but we just have to live with it now.

And at the time you had people clamoring that we needed that player. Whether one feels that was the right path, the wrong path, or somewhere in-between, the decision to go that route has consequences.

That’s one reason why I really try to at least mention the potential consequences a few years down the line when people are really gung-ho about trades or signings that come with higher costs.

There will always be someone we need, and arguments that they are worth the cost. It’s living with the consequences, both bad and good, that can be a real challenge.

 

[CupSeeker]

Yeah a straight up growing pains team for sure.

If they are identical to this next year, I think that will be 100x more infuriating.

we lost 5 - 4 to the best team in the East with Keith Kinkaid in net. Not so bad. Although the system once we pull the goalie is embarrassing.