Post-Game Talk: GAME #34 - Islanders put coal in Bruins stocking - Islanders 4 BRUINS 2 F

duffy

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And Bergeron has produced far less than Krejci. Bergeron is playing 19 minutes a night and on pace for 25 points. That is with playing with Marchand and Pastrnak the vast majority of the time. Krejci in his spot would have more points than he has now

Points are not everything! Bergeron playing injured still does more for the team thanDK!
That's why he plays more and actually plays with heart. DK has said many times reg season is not important to him it's the PO,s that matter! Last time I checked you have to win reg season games to get into the PO,s.
 

Mr. Make-Believe

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I'm with you. It's baffling.

I think this team has talent. Like you said, it's not JUST Rask. Transition is better, zone entries are better. Shot-reduction is good.

Sure some guys are banged up or still getting back up to full speed from surgery.

They haven't been able to ice their entire line-up even once this season. Not an excuse just a fact.

I think it mostly boils down to two things.

1) Poorly constructed lines and PP units/PP schemes

2) and mostly confidence

And the lousy PP plays part in parcel with this lack of offensive confidence.

I always believed one of the benefits of a good PP is that it gives your offensively talented players confidence, that by scoring on the PP, you gain confidence to score 5 on 5. Doesn't matter whether it's PP or 5 on 5, scoring goals/putting up points increases an individual players confidence.

If they can ever fix the PP, I think the confidence level will grow and we'll start to see more 5 on 5 production.

Problem is, I don't see anything that would suggest this staff is capable of fixing the PP.

Agreed. A league-worst powerplay improved to even a league-average would do wonders for this team.

What's missing?

You know what bugs me about our powerplay? Is the decision-making and puck movement is lethargic. Hot potato that ****. Not "get the puck, dribble-dribble, hm, pass the puck, dribble-dribble, hm... pass the puck, dribble-dribble, lob it at the net/fire it high and wide, skate back and get the puck from your own end, repeat". PK units basically just have to wait them out.
 

Pia8988

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Points are not everything! Bergeron playing injured still does more for the team thanDK!
That's why he plays more and actually plays with heart. DK has said many times reg season is not important to him it's the PO,s that matter! Last time I checked you have to win reg season games to get into the PO,s.

Pretty sure this game still on matters about goals scored as a team. When you play 19 minutes a night, production absolutely matters. But yeah, Krejci just doesn't care. that's the issue.
 

22Brad Park

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Points are not everything! Bergeron playing injured still does more for the team thanDK!
That's why he plays more and actually plays with heart. DK has said many times reg season is not important to him it's the PO,s that matter! Last time I checked you have to win reg season games to get into the PO,s.

Show me one thing that officially says Bergeron is injured .Quit saying that You cannot back it up with any proof.
 

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That's just his goal total, but his assists are in the toilet too. Unless something changes, Bergeron will have 40~ less points than last season.

Bergeron is the biggest mystery of the season to me. (Yes, even over "how does Hayes keep getting ice time").

The guy has been the textbook definition of consistency for years. He's one of the smartest players in the league. How does he go from being great at the world cup to...... this? When he came back from the Olympics last time he was on fire the rest of the season.

He is still my favorite and I don't think he's washed up by any means, but it's depressing to watch.
 

Pia8988

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Show me one thing that officially says Bergeron is injured .Quit saying that You cannot back it up with any proof.

He was injured to start the year. Like Krejci, he most certainly isn't 100%. If he can't produce, move him down or sit him out. Right now he is Chris Kelly.

Bergeron is the biggest mystery of the season to me. (Yes, even over "how does Hayes keep getting ice time").

The guy has been the textbook definition of consistency for years. He's one of the smartest players in the league. How does he go from being great at the world cup to...... this? When he came back from the Olympics last time he was on fire the rest of the season.

He is still my favorite and I don't think he's washed up by any means, but it's depressing to watch.

I agree. He decision making is getting worse too. His skating is bad at times. Could be a bit of trying to do too much that he isn't able to, but the team needs to quit blindly acting like he's playing like himself.
 

22Brad Park

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He was injured to start the year. Like Krejci, he most certainly isn't 100%. If he can't produce, move him down or sit him out. Right now he is Chris Kelly.

You do not know if he is 100% or not..I watched him in 3rd come flying in trying to throw a big hit.Looked fine to me.
 

DarrenBanks56

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He was injured to start the year. Like Krejci, he most certainly isn't 100%. If he can't produce, move him down or sit him out. Right now he is Chris Kelly.



I agree. He decision making is getting worse too. His skating is bad at times. Could be a bit of trying to do too much that he isn't able to, but the team needs to quit blindly acting like he's playing like himself.

actually. i dont think kelly wouldve pinched with carlo already down low
 

Mr. Make-Believe

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That's just his goal total, but his assists are in the toilet too. Unless something changes, Bergeron will have 40~ less points than last season.

Yeah but do those points matter really in your argument? You were saying that he was between the team's two most productive forwards. That they're scoring in spite of Bergeron instead of because of him doesn't mean they're not scoring.

Here's what I think. If Marchand - Backes - Pastrnak never didn't work, put them back together until it doesn't. Bergeron is used to having tougher defensive zone starts... that never didn't work... Give him those starts until it doesn't work. Krejci with some jerk and some other dink never worked... Put him with players he can work with.

I know Pasta is out, but you know what I mean.
 

Pia8988

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You do not know if he is 100% or not..

Oh please. Hockey is by far the worst sport when it comes to properly reporting injuries. Looking for something official is just hoping for something that isn't there. He missed time to start the year with a lower body injury, he clearly hasn't recovered.
 

22Brad Park

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Oh please. Hockey is by far the worst sport when it comes to properly reporting injuries. Looking for something official is just hoping for something that isn't there. He missed time to start the year with a lower body injury, he clearly hasn't recovered.

He is not playing well.Suck it up and stop looking for excuses for him.
 

BruinDust

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Agreed. A league-worst powerplay improved to even a league-average would do wonders for this team.

What's missing?

You know what bugs me about our powerplay? Is the decision-making and puck movement is lethargic. Hot potato that ****. Not "get the puck, dribble-dribble, hm, pass the puck, dribble-dribble, hm... pass the puck, dribble-dribble, lob it at the net/fire it high and wide, skate back and get the puck from your own end, repeat". PK units basically just have to wait them out.

Agree, and I think this plays into confidence also, at least as far as quick passing and decision making goes. Too much 2nd guessing going on out there.

But that's no excuse for the lack of movement by skating and hustle.

That being said, I think the PP scheme of focusing on point shots and net-front/high-slot pressence, lends itself to less movement/more stationary play on the PP.

So it's probably a combination of a whole pile of things, but the root cause of this teams scoring woes is this dreadful PP is killing their individual confidence.
 

Pia8988

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He is not playing well.Suck it up and stop looking for excuses for him.

When did I say it was an excuse. I think he should be playing a lesser role or sitting out some to get better. It can be called a reason and not an excuse. The guy was a member of the best line in the entire world of hockey. Did he magically forget how to play on the plane ride back to Boston?

Bergeron just sucks, that's a better answer. To think we have 5 more years of Chris Kelly making more than twice as much! :naughty:
 

DarrenBanks56

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When did I say it was an excuse. I think he should be playing a lesser role or sitting out some to get better. It can be called a reason and not an excuse. The guy was a member of the best line in the entire world of hockey. Did he magically forget how to play on the plane ride back to Boston?

Bergeron just sucks, that's a better answer. To think we have 5 more years of Chris Kelly making more than twice as much! :naughty:

#87 didnt come w him tho
 

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When did I say it was an excuse. I think he should be playing a lesser role or sitting out some to get better. It can be called a reason and not an excuse. The guy was a member of the best line in the entire world of hockey. Did he magically forget how to play on the plane ride back to Boston?

Bergeron just sucks, that's a better answer. To think we have 5 more years of Chris Kelly making more than twice as much! :naughty:

It's amazing to see some folks think that playing through a clearly painful injury doesn't impact the mental side of the game.
 

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Yeah but do those points matter really in your argument? You were saying that he was between the team's two most productive forwards. That they're scoring in spite of Bergeron instead of because of him doesn't mean they're not scoring.

Here's what I think. If Marchand - Backes - Pastrnak never didn't work, put them back together until it doesn't. Bergeron is used to having tougher defensive zone starts... that never didn't work... Give him those starts until it doesn't work. Krejci with some jerk and some other dink never worked... Put him with players he can work with.

I know Pasta is out, but you know what I mean.

Agree. I have been thinking about that for a few games now. I don't know what the stats are but it seems like Bergeron has had way more offensive zone starts than normal this year. And less matchups against other top lines. Maybe Claude saw their offensive capabilities at the world cup and thought it would translate to the Bruins system. Who knows. But something has to change. Let Bergeron be Mr. Selke again.
 

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Bergy looked like his shot has been off, tonight he had some that had a little more zazz on them. If its whats been speculated as an ankle injury, if my eyes are right, a sign of him getting closer is a better shot. He did make a few mistakes.

Marchy has been playing like the marchy of years ago, trying to do too much, making any play not the right one. A few dangles too many, an extra step here. Its frustrating.

We have more than enough grease in the linup but not nothing to bring it to them. DK, spooner, czarnik all pass first. We need it on some lines but spooner and dk both want the puck. Dk wants it to dissect the defense, spooner wants to fly through it. Czarnik seems more willing to shoot so if two of those three play together it should be x-Czarnik.

I liked moving czarnik up to bergys line he deserves it more than nash.

If pastas out for a bit, vatrano isn't ready to play against one of the worst teams in the league why not have heinen/debrusk/cehlarik come up. Vatrano knows the pro game better(exp in nhl) but is clearly recovering and only going to play probably 1/3 games?

Hayes was great. This is what he can do, usually its less streaky but hes nowhere but trying than for a handful of games he looks like a 2nd/3rd line tweener and makes great moves, skates decent, passes well, shoots well, mucks at the net. Hope he keeps it up.

Colin miller was awesome, confident, strong. It was amazing when he played with krug, how little time they spent in there zone on d. Granted they got favorable matchups, but the transition is great. His skating was great, shot was used smartly.

Pick one of mcq or killer, sit them for morrow and role as our third pair. We need the skating and passing.

We cant keep loosing to the Avalanches and Islanders of this league. We need to scoop the easy ones that we havent the past two years.

Overall, especially with pasta, we have been a much better skating team who has done amazing limiting shots, great starter with a younger lineup.

We need more scoring from the d and not just pasta, marchy, moore. Tough decision on who to sit but the schallers,nashs, accari's hayes, blidhs and beleskey need to get consolidated to make room for more skill in the bottom 6. Czarnik has earned a spot, Spooner seems lost with dk, him and czarnik should form a good base for a 3rd whether with backes, moore or beleskey. Pick a 4th out of who's left. Seems like sooner, rather than later, beleskeys contract is going to look like a space for heinen, debrusk,cehlarik, maybe bjork are coming up for that 3rd line lw.

Same for liles, mcq, killer. Ogara, macavoy, morrow and miller are showing various potential, youth and speed for the "new" nhl.

This game was one of trash goals. We play smarter, like we usually do, tuukka plays wayy close to his average play not even the vezina level he has been. This game is different. Still a bad one to loose but we didn't get thoroughly manhandled.
 

EverettMike

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I believe Bergeron is hurt, and the team is being foolish in trotting him out there to play in such a diminished capacity.

But why are so many top forwards playing so badly? Krejci, Backes, Marchand all playing below what we would expect.
 

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I believe Bergeron is hurt, and the team is being foolish in trotting him out there to play in such a diminished capacity.

But why are so many top forwards playing so badly? Krejci, Backes, Marchand all playing below what we would expect.

Agree on all counts.

I wonder what Blues fans think about Backes so far this year.
 

patty59

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Maybe everyone is hurt. Except for Nash, Acciari, Schaller and Hayes, those guys just aren't any good. Oh and Moore, he's actually having a good year.
 

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