Post-Game Talk: GAME #34 - Canucks 1 @ Ducks 2 OT

[Zaddy91]

God I wish the sedins won it in 2011, my heart is going to shatter when they're just gassed in the playoffs this year, and we have zero firepower to take us anywhere.

Our coach is employing an explosive system but we don't have the dynamite you need to win. Guys like Higgins, Burrows, Sedins, and Matthias are all going to fade after an 82 game season then matched up with LA and SJ or Anaheim.

Hate being such a downer when we look good, but we looked good in 2012 too

At least desjardins benched them, if there's anything that can extract success it's them getting 14 minutes a night and playing the best hockey they can. The lack of speed and size is no longer the ignorable elephant in the room though, I heavily consider packaging Bonino and Kassian for Jones or something

 

[ProstheticConscience]

It wasn't so much as lack of speed that killed us, it was lack of strength. Anaheim just murdered us along the boards all night long. The Sedins, I love them and everything, but they're looking more and more like a spent force. Okay, they can chew up Edmonton. Whoop-de-****ing-do. Against teams that go hard at the man, nothing happens. Well, turnovers happen. This was a classic case of wrong system. SO MANY TIMES tonight in the Anaheim zone, I see Canucks backing off. Trying to anticipate the pass or read the play, and that gave the other guys a chance to think and adapt, get open or find the open man. The Matthias line did well because they actually do what teams like the Ducks do: go hard at the man and make them make the play. Our dmen were constantly turning pucks over and losing battles because they had their time and space taken away, and most of our team just floats around in passing lanes hoping every other team cloned Sbisa 20 times and flings the puck conveniently to them. Against the Oilers? Okay it works. Against teams who don't suck heinously in their own end? 3, 4 SA a period. The Sedin line was especially guilty of this. Easily pushed around, easily thwarted, easily run over. Go head on at them, take away their time and space, and they're nothing. Pressure? Can't hack it. Much like pretty much everyone on the blue line right now. Okay, Stanton had a decent game, but I saw everyone else losing puck battles, throwing pucks helplessly up the boards, losing the physical battles just like Getzlaf shrugging off Vey in the slot that one time. And I've been seeing it for years now.

Ugh. It's time to stop worrying about how to contain the Getzlafs of the NHL. We ******* need a couple of our own.

 

[Wang Gretzky]

Didnt deserve a point. 14 shots lol. Got to be so much better.

 

[carolinacanuck]

It's not about how much you care, it's about how much you believe what you say. If you were really certain that Henrik will finish the season with 55 points, then you have no reason not to put a bet on it; it will cost you nothing. The fact that you're not willing to put any money on it tells me that you don't really think that.

It's easy to post bold things on this board like "The sedins will finish with 50 points", "the Canucks will draft in the top 10", "Jensen will score 30 goals in the NHL," etc. but if you're not willing to put any money where your mouth is then there's little reason anyone here should take you seriously. At least in my opinion. Money talks, ******** walks. I wish people would refrain from posting such things unless they were willing to put a stake in it. It tells me that posters are big on talking tall and garnering attention with silly statements that they don't actually believe in.

or you know, some of us don't have gambling problems?

 

[LadyJet26]

I started watching this game at the start of the second (was watching the god awful into the woods with the bf. Yes was my choice). Better then the last game I attempted to watch but they do need more fire power.

 

[NucksRuleYep]

God I wish the sedins won it in 2011, my heart is going to shatter when they're just gassed in the playoffs this year, and we have zero firepower to take us anywhere.

In the playoffs this year????

No offense, but what on earth makes you think we are making the playoffs this year? I think 7 games from now you may have a different idea of that. Our next 7 games are flat out BRUTAL, against some of the best and hottest teams in the league:

30 - San Jose (19-12-5)
01 - Los Angeles (18-11-7)
03 - Detroit (19-8-9)
06 - NY Islanders (23-11-1)
08 - Florida (16-9-8)
10 - Calgary (19-15-3)
13 - Nashville (23-9-2)

That's a flat out nasty 7 games, and I'd be surprised if we can go .500 (very surprised). I think the only team we will beat might be Detroit... and maybe get an OTL or something. We could very well go 1-1-5 or 2-1-4. That will leave us sitting outside of a playoff position. Right now we are only 2 points from being out. If we lose to LA, San Jose and Calgary then we are out of the playoff position.

Nope, I'm gonna call it now and say by end of January things will look bleak for the Canucks...... this could suck.

 

[Scurr]

or you know, some of us don't have gambling problems?

I agree with Lucas Pizza here- It's easy to shoot your mouth off if you have no intention of backing it up.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Didnt deserve a point. 14 shots lol. Got to be so much better.

Given the way we played this game, I'm thrilled we got a point.

Chiming in on Horvat's game, I thought he had some good rushes and shifts as well. He got destroyed on faceoffs, though, yowza. But then, so did everyone on the Canucks.

 

[Scurr]

Given the way we played this game, I'm thrilled we got a point.

Chiming in on Horvat's game, I thought he had some good rushes and shifts as well. He got destroyed on faceoffs, though, yowza. But then, so did everyone on the Canucks.

Yeah. I don't listen to the talking heads but when Colby Amrstrong says that teams playing their first game out of the break are at a disadvantage… I tend to give it some weight. Same with Mike Johnson commenting on never being on a road trip like the 7 game, 14 day the Canucks went on. Feels like reasons instead of excuses.

 

[orcatown]

It wasn't so much as lack of speed that killed us, it was lack of strength. Anaheim just murdered us along the boards all night long. The Sedins, I love them and everything, but they're looking more and more like a spent force. Okay, they can chew up Edmonton. Whoop-de-****ing-do. Against teams that go hard at the man, nothing happens. Well, turnovers happen. This was a classic case of wrong system. SO MANY TIMES tonight in the Anaheim zone, I see Canucks backing off. Trying to anticipate the pass or read the play, and that gave the other guys a chance to think and adapt, get open or find the open man. The Matthias line did well because they actually do what teams like the Ducks do: go hard at the man and make them make the play. Our dmen were constantly turning pucks over and losing battles because they had their time and space taken away, and most of our team just floats around in passing lanes hoping every other team cloned Sbisa 20 times and flings the puck conveniently to them. Against the Oilers? Okay it works. Against teams who don't suck heinously in their own end? 3, 4 SA a period. The Sedin line was especially guilty of this. Easily pushed around, easily thwarted, easily run over. Go head on at them, take away their time and space, and they're nothing. Pressure? Can't hack it. Much like pretty much everyone on the blue line right now. Okay, Stanton had a decent game, but I saw everyone else losing puck battles, throwing pucks helplessly up the boards, losing the physical battles just like Getzlaf shrugging off Vey in the slot that one time. And I've been seeing it for years now.

Ugh. It's time to stop worrying about how to contain the Getzlafs of the NHL. We ******* need a couple of our own.

I think this is a very accurate description of what was going on

 

[carolinacanuck]

I agree with Lucas Pizza here- It's easy to shoot your mouth off if you have no intention of backing it up.

i guess i need a lesson on how the internet and internet forums work.

note to self...must carry money in back pocket to back up my statements/opinions.

 

[arsmaster*]

Yeah. I don't listen to the talking heads but when Colby Amrstrong says that teams playing their first game out of the break are at a disadvantage… I tend to give it some weight. Same with Mike Johnson commenting on never being on a road trip like the 7 game, 14 day the Canucks went on. Feels like reasons instead of excuses.

doesn't matter what it feels like. It's an excuse.

You're giving them a mulligan. You're excusing their poor play.

I'm sure we could sit around and hear an analyst say anything that gives credence to the excuses we make for the team.

14 shots on the target is not good enough. I don't care if they were still drunk on egg nog.

Felt like the schedule was a good reason we fell off last year, but that's just excusing the poor efforts.

 

[Reign Nateo]

Very lucky to get a point. Obviously not enough fire-power and couldn't skate with the youthful Ducks. January will make or break the season.

 

[MS]

Didn't think the performance was as poor as many here are saying. We were the better team in the first with the better chances, then the 2nd period had few chances either way until the last minute when Anaheim was unlucky not to score. Then our legs seemed to flag in the 3rd and they really carried the play. Still, a good point on the road against a top team.

Top-6 were poor. Sedins obviously had a terrible game, and no 2nd line with Dorsett on it is ever going to be a good 2nd line. Hopefully that experiment is dead and buried.

Vey had probably his best 200-foot game of the season, very impressive. That line was easily our best, and the 4th line had another good game as well.

Tanev-Edler had a few sloppy moments, but were also covering probably the hottest guy in the league in Getzlaf and did mostly a good job.

Ryan Stanton is our 3rd-best defender and needs to be playing more. Now 15 straight games without being a minus player, and has turned Bieksa back into a serviceable defender.

Weber played well, Sbisa was scratchy again although didn't hurt us in the end.

Miller played well, good to see him string a few good efforts together.

Reffing was garbage. Game (and shot totals) would probably seem more even if they'd been called for anything all night. Sedins were getting mauled and that extended too-many-men was ridiculous.

 

[Scurr]

i guess i need a lesson on how the internet and internet forums work.

note to self...must carry money in back pocket to back up my statements/opinions.

You don't have to… anything goes on the internet. You can be whoever you want to be… you want to be that guy?

Bets don't have to be for money, either. I tend to call people out with avatar bets now… not one person has accepted yet

 

[thepuckmonster]

i guess i need a lesson on how the internet and internet forums work.

note to self...must carry money in back pocket to back up my statements/opinions.

We don't allow real gambling on the site, but avatar bets seem to be pretty common.

 

[Proto]

I don't know why people are ragging on the Sedins: they've generally been strong this year. But these sorts of games against top clubs with speed/size are going to be tough for them with no legitimate 2nd line to back them up. It was always the danger that existed in relying on someone like Nick Bonino to be the 2nd-line centre. With Burrows inexplicably off the 2nd line, it's probably inevitable that the Canucks are going to have some really bad match-up games.

I like most of what Desjardins does, but he's a rookie coach and he's working through some big time rookie mistakes this year. As long as he adapts, it should be okay in the long run.

 

[Scurr]

doesn't matter what it feels like. It's an excuse.

You're giving them a mulligan. You're excusing their poor play.

I'm sure we could sit around and hear an analyst say anything that gives credence to the excuses we make for the team.

14 shots on the target is not good enough. I don't care if they were still drunk on egg nog.

Felt like the schedule was a good reason we fell off last year, but that's just excusing the poor efforts.

I'm not excusing it, I'm giving a reason for it. I've never watched an NHL team play 82 good games, so I come in allowing for some reasons. IMO They played poorly at the end of a long road trip and the first game home. That makes sense to me. Now they've played poorly one game coming out of the Christmas break, that also makes sense.

Are analysts in a habit of making excuses for the Canucks? Like I said, I try not to listen to the talking head… but I'd be surprised if that was the case.

How many good games were we expecting this season? I was more optimistic than most and I wasn't looking at 82.

 

[NYVanfan]

I'm not excusing it, I'm giving a reason for it. I've never watched an NHL team play 82 good games, so I come in allowing for some reasons. IMO They played poorly at the end of a long road trip and the first game home. That makes sense to me. Now they've played poorly one game coming out of the Christmas break, that also makes sense.

Are analysts in a habit of making excuses for the Canucks? Like I said, I try not to listen to the talking head… but I'd be surprised if that was the case.

How many good games were we expecting this season? I was more optimistic than most and I wasn't looking at 82.

Went to the game.
Yeah, this game went better than i feared ...just didnt want them to get blown out, which was a real possibility.
Then the first period was even, and i was heartened, and then even moreso when they scored.
But then the Ducks took over, and showed why they're among the best -- big, strong, fast, lots of depth (Etem, Rackell, DSP, Lindholm, Vatanen, etc etc ...all look really good.)
Canucks looked really out-matched. Getzlaf looked way better than our top line. Sedins and Bieksa in particular looked slow and got burned a few times. Vrbata was invisible.
To me the big positive was Miller stealing a point for us.

 

[Taelin]

Thank god Miller didn't have as much turkey as the rest of the team did.

 

[NuxFan09]

Wow, talk about an overreaction. Some of you people take this hockey thing way too seriously.

I firmly back my statement. I just don't have the money to be betting over such a trivial thing, especially when, of course, there is a chance I'm wrong.

@ Lucas Pizza: If I were in a bit of a better position financially and you were standing here right in front of me, I would shake your hand, look you in the eye and make a firm bet, but the thing is we're just casually chatting hockey on the internet....right??

 

[NuxFan09]

Another way you know people are taking hockey way too seriously is when they claim that saying "I think the Sedins' pace is going to slow tremendously and they'll end up with 55-60 points" is "shooting your mouth off". It's like, OMG how dare I??

Log off these boards for awhile. Enjoy your friends, family and even time to yourself. Get out. See a movie. Whatever. I've been doing more of that lately and it's fantastic!

 

[carolinacanuck]

Another way you know people are taking hockey way too seriously is when they claim that saying "I think the Sedins' pace is going to slow tremendously and they'll end up with 55-60 points" is "shooting your mouth off". It's like, OMG how dare I??

Log off these boards for awhile. Enjoy your friends, family and even time to yourself. Get out. See a movie. Whatever. I've been doing more of that lately and it's fantastic!

it's true. i had to step away from these boards for awhile after getting wrapped up in the ryan miller thread. i took a week off to contemplate exactly when these boards turned into CDC.

monkey cage, i tell ya.

 

[NuxFan09]

it's true. i had to step away from these boards for awhile after getting wrapped up in the ryan miller thread. i took a week off to contemplate exactly when these boards turned into CDC.

monkey cage, i tell ya.

Yep, and I was guilty of it myself as well, until I stood back and went "Holy....life's too short".

 

[Zaddy91]

I don't know why people are ragging on the Sedins: they've generally been strong this year. But these sorts of games against top clubs with speed/size are going to be tough for them with no legitimate 2nd line to back them up. It was always the danger that existed in relying on someone like Nick Bonino to be the 2nd-line centre. With Burrows inexplicably off the 2nd line, it's probably inevitable that the Canucks are going to have some really bad match-up games.

I like most of what Desjardins does, but he's a rookie coach and he's working through some big time rookie mistakes this year. As long as he adapts, it should be okay in the long run.

They dont match up qgainst california very well, thats been the theme since 2012, theyre able to get points against teams like edmonton and calgary but evqporate when we need em most.

the trend is just accelerating people have said theyre done for awhile