Post-Game Talk: GAME 29 - BAH HUMBUG - NYR 2 BRUINS 1 F/OT

[Aeroforce]

Montgomery has seemingly lost faith in the fourth-liners. They start the game, commit a questionable icing, get hemmed in, and play sparingly. The long term ramifications of top players logging lots of minutes is usually not good. I don't know what putting Brown in for Lauko then barely playing him, achieved.

The league is wildly inconsistent, but if a similar hit to Pastrnak's was made on a Bruin, I'd expect the same result.

The B's are absolutely not built for 3-on-3; that was ugly.

 

[quietbruinfan]

The conclusion is the EAST is just loaded with good teams.

Yep, more so than the West for sure.

 

[Babajingo]

Montgomery has seemingly lost faith in the fourth-liners. They start the game, commit a questionable icing, get hemmed in, and play sparingly. The long term ramifications of top players logging lots of minutes is usually not good. I don't know what putting Brown in for Lauko then barely playing him, achieved.

The league is wildly inconsistent, but if a similar hit to Pastrnak's was made on a Bruin, I'd expect the same result.

The B's are absolutely not built for 3-on-3; that was ugly.

Call me an old fart, but I hate 3on3. The basics of hockey are good forechecking and backchecking. Can't do that with all that open ice. Its glorified pond hockey. Don't get me started on teh shootout. I actually stop watching a game if it gets to that.

I get why they do it, they don't want 3 OTs games. Oh well.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

Do not forget about Florida. They are in the top two or three for sure.

florida is top in east in my humble opinion

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Call me an old fart, but I hate 3on3. The basics of hockey are good forechecking and backchecking. Can't do that with all that open ice. Its glorified pond hockey. Don't get me started on teh shootout. I actually stop watching a game if it gets to that.

I get why they do it, they don't want 3 OTs games. Oh well.

It seemed beneficial for the Bruins to start OT on the PK against the Islanders because it resulted in most of the gameplay being 4-4.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

Edmonton needs good D-men, not floating forwards afraid of contact

I know, but he might think what he really needs/wants is a center like McDavid. Goes there on a cheaper 1-2 year deal, scores a ton and then gets his big payday. Wouldn't shock me.

In any event, if I'm Sweeney I am not paying him anything with long term given what we've seen this year.

 

[TobanWest]

It's a bad hit, may have cost them the extra point.... but I like that he has that in him. Pastrnak's eyes went green and he clearly wanted to light Lindgren up. A+ for intention. F for execution. I wish there was more of that in the bottom half of the roster.

It's always McAvoy, Marchand, or Pastrnak. That's your top-3 skaters right there.... Don't see enough of that hard hitting intention from the guys who struggling to stay in the lineup. Very strange. It's seemingly right there for the taking if anyone wants top show an ounce of physical aggression.

This is my biggest problem. It's great they have that grit in them but they shouldn't be the ones doing all the dirty work with the occasional Frederic fight. McAvoy has been suspended this year, Pasta could possibly get suspended and Marchand has been multiple times.
Get.rid of Gryz and Debrusk for the love of god. Sick of waiting for them to show up and produce.
At least they got a point. Swayman was ridiculous again.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Face offs

Montgomery has seemingly lost faith in the fourth-liners. They start the game, commit a questionable icing, get hemmed in, and play sparingly. The long term ramifications of top players logging lots of minutes is usually not good. I don't know what putting Brown in for Lauko then barely playing him, achieved.

The league is wildly inconsistent, but if a similar hit to Pastrnak's was made on a Bruin, I'd expect the same result.

The B's are absolutely not built for 3-on-3; that was ugly.

A big problem with the 3-3 for them is,faceoffs possession is,so important and they suck at them.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

I wonder where that started from. I can't for the life of me remember or think of anything in particular

Lindgren and Marchy have had beef for years now…perhaps it stems from that?

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Face offs

A big problem with the 3-3 for them is,faceoffs possession is,so important and they suck at them.

Yep so true, that's why Chris Kelly was so important under the Clode teams.

 

[Mione134]

Lindgren and Marchy have had beef for years now…perhaps it stems from that?

Could be! I recall Bergy going after him a lot. I vaguely remember Marchy.

But I genuinely was like "oh damn" when Pasta keep gunning for him. Don't get me wrong, I love the aggression. I just don't need my star guy going overboard and potentially hurting himself. Normally you have other players or your d-men to do it. We don't have that atm so I get it.

Yesterday's game I realized that Pasta gives some damn good hits (not the one the bloodied Lindgren but in general). The team should take notes lol

 

[Aussie Bruin]

You really think so? Didn't squarely hit either number on his back. Clearly was going in for the shoulder. Zero history. Not known at all as a malicious player or even a hitter. With DoPS you never know, but even so I cannot see how on earth Pasta gets a suspension given what has only received fines around the league in recent weeks. It was a careless hit by Pasta for sure, but I chalk it up more to him not being very proficient at hitting more than anything. His going for big hits is a very recent development.

End of the day with DoPS, who knows? I was bang on with McAvoy's suspension, but with some others I've been well off. It's a lottery. Going against Pasta I'd say it's an avoidable hit, with some force, against a guy in a vulnerable position. It's not high and I think Pasta was going more for the shoulder, but he ends up catching Lindgren mostly in the back, and it results in Ryan's head hitting the boards with some force. Lindgren does turn away slightly at the last moment, but not a lot, so I don't see much mitigation there. I get the argument that Pasta's 'not very proficient at hitting', but that's not an excuse. If you can't make a safe hit, then don't do it. It's a careless check with a degree of negligence.

In Pasta's favor, the hit wasn't late, as far as we know Lindgren wasn't concussed, and I see no malice in it or intent to run the guy right through the numbers. David has a mostly clean record.

If the roles were reversed and it was a Bruin getting hit in that way I'd be wanting to see the offender get a couple of games. More would be excessive, to not get at least one would feel like as usual the department is not living up to its name in protecting player safety. We'll see what happens.

 

[bruinsfan1970]

Yes it was another horrid officiating game by the NHL's finest. The league has the worst officiating and that call against Linholm was prolly the worst I have ever seen. It was so bad that the league now should put it in their rule book so players don't try and do the same thing with an opposing players stick. There really is no solution, I have said before maybe the NHL should start fining the refs for these calls (Non Calls). The call when the Bruins had a Power play and the first play from face-off Marchand gets tripped but as we Bruins fans well know this is the New York Rangers heck look at the non call for when a player swings his stick with the ref 7 feet away looking directly at the play and the same result NO CALL. It is sickening and it needs to stop.

 

[bruinsfan1970]

Call me an old fart, but I hate 3on3. The basics of hockey are good forechecking and backchecking. Can't do that with all that open ice. Its glorified pond hockey. Don't get me started on teh shootout. I actually stop watching a game if it gets to that.

I get why they do it, they don't want 3 OTs games. Oh well.

Totally Agree as I do the same.

 

[caz16]

I don't think Pasta should be suspended but I have no faith in the ridiculous history of suspensions and fines that get handed out. It really is a crap shoot and with an ex-Hab at the helm, I have even less faith.

Overall, 3 out of 4 points in the last two games is impressive. We are so lucky to have Sway and Linus, they give the Bruins a chance to win every night, no matter the line up and atrocious reffing. It is a luxury.

 

[lopey]

Watching replay of game and that penalty call on Carlo was atrocious. Ranger just fell lol. Barely touched. Disgusting

Fox grabs lindholm stick pushes it his face again its a penslty? Key is to just fall. You will get a call!

 

[lopey]

Neely needs to go ape shit on these refs.

 

[Number8]

Shit happens with bad officiating. However, four real concerns about officiating and DOPS:

1) DOPS is wildly unpredictable and inconsistent. It’s bullshit that is easily fixable and should be.

2) The heavy heavy promotion of betting by the NHL makes some of the calls like ones in last nights game seem suspect. I don’t think there is anything to it but, again, when they are so bad it will cause some to question. Not as easily fixable but it should be addressed. Gary??????

3). The Rangers played a lot like Christiano Rinaldo and a group of the most egregious Portuguese soccer playing flippers last night. All that was missing was the rolling around on the ice after the flop/dive. And worse, they were rewarded for it. Is easily fixable and should be addressed immediately. NHL needs to nip this shit in the bud ASAPx2.

4) Four officials on the ice just adds to the problems above. Call on Lindholm was made by the ref out at the blueline — NOT the ref behind the goal line that was three feet from the play. More refs, more opportunity for a trigger finger getting duped or making an error. Add to that the ref who blocked the puck and basically stole it from Coyle and I want to know what benefit we get from having two refs. Should be easily fixable but referee union makes it not. Gary you opened this can of worms by adding the second ref. Solutions??????? Your bed and you made it.

 

[bbfan419]

Worst reffed game of the season. Just bullshit.

Agree, especially the call on Lindholm, the Rangers player grabbed his stick and brought up towards his head and the called Lindholm for high sticking. Officials should be held accountable like players, if you are not performing well, you get sent down the to the AHL and work on your game there.

 

[bruins19]

End of the day with DoPS, who knows? I was bang on with McAvoy's suspension, but with some others I've been well off. It's a lottery. Going against Pasta I'd say it's an avoidable hit, with some force, against a guy in a vulnerable position. It's not high and I think Pasta was going more for the shoulder, but he ends up catching Lindgren mostly in the back, and it results in Ryan's head hitting the boards with some force. Lindgren does turn away slightly at the last moment, but not a lot, so I don't see much mitigation there. I get the argument that Pasta's 'not very proficient at hitting', but that's not an excuse. If you can't make a safe hit, then don't do it. It's a careless check with a degree of negligence.

In Pasta's favor, the hit wasn't late, as far as we know Lindgren wasn't concussed, and I see no malice in it or intent to run the guy right through the numbers. David has a mostly clean record.

If the roles were reversed and it was a Bruin getting hit in that way I'd be wanting to see the offender get a couple of games. More would be excessive, to not get at least one would feel like as usual the department is not living up to its name in protecting player safety. We'll see what happens.

Swinging a stick at Donald Brashear’s head got Bruin Marty McSorley essentially banned for life. The swing at Bruin Frederic’s head was a deliberate two-hander. Intent to injure for sure. Two minutes and a fine. I know there are decades in between, but they are supposed to be tougher on discipline now, not more lenient. Also, did anybody else notice how many times Marchand is being tripped with no call? No way the refs don’t see it. Either they have decided he is diving or they have just decided he has it coming.

 

[dugg133]

I'm still annoyed ngl. I can handle losing games that we deserve to lose, but games where we win the 5v5 battle but end up losing cause the refs constantly reward the other team for selling calls? Those stick with me for a while. Two separate BS penalties where the Rangers brought a stick to their own face, threw their head back, and got rewarded for it. Even the "interference" penalty that they ended up scoring on was Lafreniere flopping during an ordinary net front battle. f***ing. Infuriating.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Swinging a stick at Donald Brashear’s head got Bruin Marty McSorley essentially banned for life. The swing at Bruin Frederic’s head was a deliberate two-hander. Intent to injure for sure. Two minutes and a fine. I know there are decades in between, but they are supposed to be tougher on discipline now, not more lenient. Also, did anybody else notice how many times Marchand is being tripped with no call? No way the refs don’t see it. Either they have decided he is diving or they have just decided he has it coming.

Don’t think he even got two minutes for that did he?

 

[aguineapig72]

Stellar Swayman per usual. Fantastic Freddy, need it more often. Wotherspoon wasn't wobbly, reminds me a little of the Shoe(bottom) not the one Milbury was packing. Faceoffs are a fail as of late. Hampus looks a little hamstrung, pacing himself with all the ice time? To quote the late Jim Croce, Jake is playing "like a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces lost". Refs reeked and were rotten.

 

[Alicat]

Any word on a possible hearing for pasta?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Watching replay of game and that penalty call on Carlo was atrocious. Ranger just fell lol. Barely touched. Disgusting

Fox grabs lindholm stick pushes it his face again its a penslty? Key is to just fall. You will get a call!

Same can be said of the Marchand trip. Officiating at an all time bad Players are all falling now knowing it will be called