Post-Game Talk: Game #25: Blackhawks 2, Canucks 1 - Six goals? Nah, one goal will do fine...

[y2kcanucks]

Once again. Please provide one example of a poster giving the offense a free pass. Just ONE and you might have a reason to be standing on your soap-box.

You seem to just have a problem with people that say the both the offense AND goaltending could be better.

How about this?

Not really sure you wanna start comparing Luongo's goaltending to Vezina winning goaltending

I just wanna see Lu come in and shut the door in a tight, low scoring game. It's been too long!

Basically saying it's on Luongo that we lost because it was a tight scoring game and he let in a bad goal.

Well no, Luongo holding the best offensive team in the league to 2 goals is not being a problem at all. The offense only scoring 1 goal against a team that's been below average defensively this year is a real big problem. Yet the talk is about how Luongo needs to steal us games, instead of this offense needs to just do their damn job. No one is saying the offense needs to steal us games...just be a ****ing competent offense!

 

[Upoil]

How about this?



Basically saying it's on Luongo that we lost because it was a tight scoring game and he let in a bad goal.

Well no, Luongo holding the best offensive team in the league to 2 goals is not being a problem at all. The offense only scoring 1 goal against a team that's been below average defensively this year is a real big problem. Yet the talk is about how Luongo needs to steal us games, instead of this offense needs to just do their damn job. No one is saying the offense needs to steal us games...just be a ****ing competent offense!

He didn't say it was on Lou. He said he'd like him to come in and close the door. Please refer to my post earlier about the Principle of Charity.

..Or you know... don't.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Definitely flawed without question. There is no counterpart of a goalie in the CFL/NFL.

Seriously?? NHL goalies scoring a goal is an outlier.

Luongo says he did not do his job last night, but then what would he know, eh?


Right back at you as any number of posters have noted in this thread.

Right because, you know, it's SOOOO logical to blame the goalie in a game where you lose 2-1, during a string where the offense has put up 1 goal in 5 of the last 7 games.

 

[Drop the Sopel]

It's difficult for me to comprehend how exactly goaltending is an issue when our starter gives up 2 or fewer in 75% of his starts. It's difficult for me to comprehend why goaltending dominates the discussions when it's blatantly obvious that 99% of the blame rests solely on the shoulders of our inept offense!

It's very simple - Luongo has been below average this season and the offense has been below average.

The offense will need to be much better to have a chance at the playoffs and Luongo will need to figure out a way to carry James Reimer's jockstrap too.

Luongo has been outplayed more often than not this season - as has the offense. Both of these things will need to change.

 

[Upoil]

Actual quote:

It's very simple - Luongo has been below average this season and the offense has been below average.

The offense will need to be much better to have a chance at the playoffs and Luongo will need to figure out a way to carry James Reimer's jockstrap too.

Luongo has been outplayed more often than not this season - as has the offense. Both of these things will need to change.

What Y2K sees:

It's very simple - Luongo has been below average this season and the offense has been below average.

The offense will need to be much better to have a chance at the playoffs and Luongo will need to figure out a way to carry James Reimer's jockstrap too.

Luongo has been outplayed more often than not this season - as has the offense. Both of these things will need to change.

 

[StringerBell]

How about this?



Basically saying it's on Luongo that we lost because it was a tight scoring game and he let in a bad goal.

Well no, Luongo holding the best offensive team in the league to 2 goals is not being a problem at all. The offense only scoring 1 goal against a team that's been below average defensively this year is a real big problem. Yet the talk is about how Luongo needs to steal us games, instead of this offense needs to just do their damn job. No one is saying the offense needs to steal us games...just be a ****ing competent offense!

Haha come on guy, we both know I didn't say it's all on Lu. Can we at least agree on that??

 

[Brenton Williams]

It's very simple - Luongo has been below average this season and the offense has been below average.

The offense will need to be much better to have a chance at the playoffs and Luongo will need to figure out a way to carry James Reimer's jockstrap too.

Luongo has been outplayed more often than not this season - as has the offense. Both of these things will need to change.

Exactly.

{Mod}

 

[y2kcanucks]

Actual quote:



What Y2K sees:

If Luongo is seen as being below average, then how can one suggest the offense has been below average? If Luongo has been below average then the offense has been downright putrid.

Luongo's 2.08GAA .921SVP in November suggests he's been quite good. His 3-3-3 record in November suggests that the offense has been an embarrassment.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Exactly....

Should Luongo be blamed that it rains a lot in Vancouver? Does Luongo get blamed for global warming? He's being blamed for us losing hockey games, despite the fact our offense can't score, so why not blame him for everything else too?

 

[Brenton Williams]

Right because, you know, it's SOOOO logical to blame the goalie in a game where you lose 2-1, during a string where the offense has put up 1 goal in 5 of the last 7 games.

Maybe we need to create a mental image for you.


Think of 'fault' as a pie.

Luongo will take a certain portion of that 'fault' pie -- lets say 1/3 of it.

And the offense will take the remaining portion of the 'fault' pie -- so 2/3 of it.



Notice how both the offense and Luongo can be partially at fault for the Canucks lack of consistent success.

Does that make sense or do you wan't me to post a drawing as well?

 

[Wetcoaster]

Right because, you know, it's SOOOO logical to blame the goalie in a game where you lose 2-1, during a string where the offense has put up 1 goal in 5 of the last 7 games.

Again you beg the question.

 

[Brenton Williams]

Should Luongo be blamed that it rains a lot in Vancouver? Does Luongo get blamed for global warming? He's being blamed for us losing hockey games, despite the fact our offense can't score, so why not blame him for everything else too?

That's such poor logic that I don't know where to begin.

Check my post above. {Mod}

 

[Hodgy]

If Luongo is seen as being below average, then how can one suggest the offense has been below average? If Luongo has been below average then the offense has been downright putrid.

Luongo's 2.08GAA .921SVP in November suggests he's been quite good. His 3-3-3 record in November suggests that the offense has been an embarrassment.

October doesn't count now? At least try to put forth and honest argument.

 

[Killion]

Gang, please refrain from personal attacks, go after the Post not the Poster.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Maybe we need to create a mental image for you.


Think of 'fault' as a pie.

Luongo will take a certain portion of that 'fault' pie -- lets say 1/3 of it.

And the offense will take the remaining portion of the 'fault' pie -- so 2/3 of it.



Notice how both the offense and Luongo can be partially at fault for the Canucks lack of consistent success.

Does that make sense or do you wan't me to post a drawing as well?

How do you fault a goalie who's play has been very good of late?

 

[y2kcanucks]

October doesn't count now? At least try to put forth and honest argument.

If we're talking about "Luongo needing to be better..." Well, in the month of November he's been a lot better than he was in October.

If Luongo posts a 2.08GAA .921SVP over a season then I would say he had a great season. Those are the numbers he's posted in November, so I fail to see how people are complaining about Luongo at this time at all.

 

[Vankiller Whale]

October doesn't count now? At least try to put forth and honest argument.

We did well in October despite Luongo playing meh. We're doing badly in November despite Luongo playing well.

 

[Drop the Sopel]

If Luongo is seen as being below average, then how can one suggest the offense has been below average? If Luongo has been below average then the offense has been downright putrid.

Luongo's 2.08GAA .921SVP in November suggests he's been quite good. His 3-3-3 record in November suggests that the offense has been an embarrassment.

If only you could convince the league to not count games in October in the standings.

The Luongo rule!

 

[Drop the Sopel]

How do you fault a goalie who's play has been very good of late?

Because if he gives up a bad goal and the goalie at the other end doesn't, the team will usually lose. All Luongo had to do was not give up a crap goal to a grinder last night and the team would have come away with 1 or 2 points. That's how fine the line is from winning and losing.

 

[Brenton Williams]

How do you fault a goalie who's play has been very good of late?

Because he's let in weak goals while the opposition goalies have completely stonewalled us.

It's not just his fault, as everyone here has said, but in the close low scoring games the Canucks have consistently been the team to let in that mediocre goal.

That's why he receives a portion of the fault pie.


And at the same time, obviously the offense has to score more, and obviously Luongo's play has been decent for the most part. But there are times when a team needs a goalie to shut the door, and Luongo hasn't managed to do that enough.

 

[Wetcoaster]

If we're talking about "Luongo needing to be better..." Well, in the month of November he's been a lot better than he was in October.

If Luongo posts a 2.08GAA .921SVP over a season then I would say he had a great season. Those are the numbers he's posted in November, so I fail to see how people are complaining about Luongo at this time at all.

Not a surprise that you fail to see.

This graphically makes my point.

 

[Wetcoaster]

Because if he gives up a bad goal and the goalie at the other end doesn't, the team will usually lose. All Luongo had to do was not give up a crap goal to a grinder last night and the team would have come away with 1 or 2 points. That's how fine the line is from winning and losing.

And that is precisely what Luongo and Tortorella both said post game.

 

[luongo321]

If only you could convince the league to not count games in October in the standings.

The Luongo rule!

I think that would have to be Luongo Rule #2.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Jesus christ, have you guys been at this all night?

 

[Wetcoaster]

In another thread we were discussing the lack of offence and this post seems particularly apt to last night's game:

This team has been the top scoring team before so this seems anomalous.

You have two past Art Ross trophy winners in the Sedins and they will score. I think Henrik is playing hurt.

Burrows is rusty and is getting no bounces but he will score - think Higgins earlier in the season.

I would put Kesler, Santorelli and Kassian together for a couple of games.

Hansen and Higgins between Richardson (maybe Schroeder when he is healthy).

If Booth could ever find his way out of the wilderness that would be helpful.

The D needs to step up its offence - particularly Hamhuis and Edler. Garrison looks like he is nursing a groin injury. Bieksa and Stanton are doing well.

The real offensive black hole right now is... Luongo.

The major problem with the offence is the terrible power play. If they can get that working and take leads of more than one goal then that forces other teams to open up and they can be put away. That was the recipe during the high scoring seasons.​