Post-Game Talk: GAME #23 - Flyers beat B's in a 9 round shootout - Philadelphia 3 BRUINS 2 F/SO

DKH

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And back in November is was Riley Nash saving the day in the shoot out going 4th after Spooner, Marchand, and Pastrnak failed to score.

People are too caught up on Nash vs Marchand. Both should be in the 1st three. It should be Marchand vs Bergeron.

Is it so outlandish for Marchand to be a better player than Riley Nash and Nash still be really good in shoot outs? I don't think anyone is going around calling Oshie a star and look at him.

The Curse of the Marchand SO Snub

Mark my words- 9th place 1 point out

I'm a season ticket holder and don't plan on spending $1 for plYoffs

90-something points and 9th place O-N-E point back for the third straight year

Claude needs to make amends with the Hockey Gods and offering Jimmy Hayes won't even get their attention

I'm just happy I know we will see a nice race in April - 90 something points is still good hockey
 

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Tough loss, baaaaaaddddd officiating.

Claude shoot-out decisions are still baffling. Like many are saying Bergeron before Pasta or Marchand was a poor choice.

Their PP decisions are also baffling. You have the NHL's 2nd leading goal scorer and he's not on your first unit, on the first PP of the game he didn't even see the ice.

Bruins need to go all Washington-style and make Pastrnak the "OV' of the PP, setting him up for one-timers.

David Krejci at the top of the umbrella in the Mike Green role close to the blue-line.

Patrice Bergeron or David Backes the net front pressence.

Krug to the right and down a bit from Krejci, near the top of the circle.

Marchand in the Backstrom position. Some would say Spooner but he never seems to get that cross-seam pass through. Marchand is also a better one-timer threat, so in theory you could rotate the entire thing with Krug at the top of the umbrella and operate the same set-up from the other side of the ice, just this time Marchand's one-timer becomes the focus.

And please Claude, end the Krejci + Backes pairing. Put Backes in the middle and you'll get more out of both guys.
 

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Tough loss, baaaaaaddddd officiating.

Claude shoot-out decisions are still baffling. Like many are saying Bergeron before Pasta or Marchand was a poor choice.

Their PP decisions are also baffling. You have the NHL's 2nd leading goal scorer and he's not on your first unit, on the first PP of the game he didn't even see the ice.

Bruins need to go all Washington-style and make Pastrnak the "OV' of the PP, setting him up for one-timers.

David Krejci at the top of the umbrella in the Mike Green role close to the blue-line.

Patrice Bergeron or David Backes the net front pressence.

Krug to the right and down a bit from Krejci, near the top of the circle.

Marchand in the Backstrom position. Some would say Spooner but he never seems to get that cross-seam pass through. Marchand is also a better one-timer threat, so in theory you could rotate the entire thing with Krug at the top of the umbrella and operate the same set-up from the other side of the ice, just this time Marchand's one-timer becomes the focus.

And please Claude, end the Krejci + Backes pairing. Put Backes in the middle and you'll get more out of both guys.

I'm for all of this. Also would like to see at least one of the kids brought up Chelarik and Heinen are tearing up the AHL and I think Debrusk could potentially catch fire with the right line mates up here. I think these kids have just a good a shot of succeeding over Nash, Schaller and Hayes and are part of the long term plan. From the sounds of it didn't sound like O'Gara was out of place here to start to season, why not give him a chance as well with the injuries we have.
 

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It's not just those attempts though. They have practices as well where you can see who is more successful in shoot outs. So it's a small sample size YOU can see. I doubt it's a small sample size for the coaching staff.

How many saves did Mason have to make in the shootout? I think we missed or didnt shoot on half of them. Another question is what was Matt fing Beleskey doing taking the faceoff on that last power play?

Did Patrice Bergeron forget how to play hockey while he was winning another medal for Canada or is he just getting old right in front of our eyes.

He's been a none factor in most games

I hope he's battling threw something for our sake.
 

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How many saves did Mason have to make in the shootout? I think we missed or didnt shoot on half of them. Another question is what was Matt fing Beleskey doing taking the faceoff on that last power play?

Did Patrice Bergeron forget how to play hockey while he was winning another medal for Canada or is he just getting old right in front of our eyes.

He's been a none factor in most games

I hope he's battling threw something for our sake.

my uneducated guess is Bergeron is nursing an injury, you don`t go from looking as he did in the World Cup to looking like he is now.
 

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The Curse of the Marchand SO Snub

Mark my words- 9th place 1 point out

I'm a season ticket holder and don't plan on spending $1 for plYoffs

90-something points and 9th place O-N-E point back for the third straight year

Claude needs to make amends with the Hockey Gods and offering Jimmy Hayes won't even get their attention

I'm just happy I know we will see a nice race in April - 90 something points is still good hockey

I find the sting from losing out on any points vs the Wild and Habs in the dying minutes far more painful
 

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How many saves did Mason have to make in the shootout? I think we missed or didnt shoot on half of them. Another question is what was Matt fing Beleskey doing taking the faceoff on that last power play?

Did Patrice Bergeron forget how to play hockey while he was winning another medal for Canada or is he just getting old right in front of our eyes.

He's been a none factor in most games

I hope he's battling threw something for our sake.

I would put money on Bergeron having an injury.

Beleskey has been taking face offs for the 2nd unit most of the year.

As for the S/O
Spooner - Miss
Nash - Save
Bergeron - Miss
Pastrnak - Save
Marchand - Goal
Krejci - Miss
Hayes - Miss
Krug - Miss
Backes - Save
 

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Bruins players go 1 for 9 in the shootout and its Clode's fault.

Unbelievable.

Bruins are now 3 for 19 this year in shootouts. Two of those goals from Hayes & Nash.
 

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my uneducated guess is Bergeron is nursing an injury, you don`t go from looking as he did in the World Cup to looking like he is now.

Brad and Sid playing out of their minds had something to do with that as well
 

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Brad and Sid playing out of their minds had something to do with that as well

won`t argue however, he missed some games this season already for an injury were uncertain of and you won`t convince me that he suddenly got old between the end of summer and now, especially with his body of work, if Bergy isn`t producing or looking like himself in the past, it`s almost always led back to something that was/is nagging him and I`ll suggest this is no different.
 

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What happened in the game is irrelevant unless a player had a penalty shot.

I don't despise the shootout but I despise how the NHL awards points. Every game should be worth 3 points and if you win in regulation or OT you get all 3 points. The loser point should be awarded in the shootout with the winning team getting 2.

I have always felt the shootout should be done before the actual game. Gets people in the seats early and would increase the intensity/strategy from the get go. 3rd period, in tight games, and overtime would become less defensive minded (for one team, at least) and open up the ice.
This is entertainment after all, so give the fans a skills competition to whet their appetite every game. As for the envitible debate over how unfair it is to the goalie (not warmed up) it's the same for both teams, heck who cares if you use the backup in the shootout and your number 1 in the game.
 

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Bruins players go 1 for 9 in the shootout and its Clode's fault.

Unbelievable.

Bruins are now 3 for 19 this year in shootouts. Two of those goals from Hayes & Nash.

9th place 1 point out 3rd year in a row - going to happen

Claude doesn't use the All Time Boston Bruins leader in in game penalty shot success on the bench for the second time in one CALENDAR year :laugh:

I'm a Claude guy but after last season and what happened April 6 I'm flabbergasted. He's so stubborn he must belong here

Let's get back to imagining Krejci & Krug Dick and Wishing for Backes to blow so we can develop self esteem and say I told you so:D
 

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The Curse of the Marchand SO Snub

Mark my words- 9th place 1 point out

I'm a season ticket holder and don't plan on spending $1 for plYoffs

90-something points and 9th place O-N-E point back for the third straight year

Claude needs to make amends with the Hockey Gods and offering Jimmy Hayes won't even get their attention

I'm just happy I know we will see a nice race in April - 90 something points is still good hockey

November 4, 2016 - Marchand shoots two shooters before Nash and misses.

Nash goes on to score a crucial goal in helping the Bruins steal 1 point from Tampa Bay.

If the Bruins make the playoffs by 1 point I hope that you acknowledge Claude and Nash for their contribution the same way that you're condemning them if they miss by 1 point.
 

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November 4, 2016 - Marchand shoots two shooters before Nash and misses.

Nash goes on to score a crucial goal in helping the Bruins steal 1 point from Tampa Bay.

If the Bruins make the playoffs by 1 point I hope that you acknowledge Claude and Nash for their contribution the same way that you're condemning them if they miss by 1 point.

Of course not, Brad is a star and Nash is a 4th line scrub. :naughty:
 

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Brad Marchand has a had in game penalty shots infront of 15-20000 people and has buried what ? 4 out of 5

Practice is like a driving range

Shootouts generally don't have half the pressure of a penalty shot

All I know is my group of buds who in my judgement are on a par with me for hockey brilliance which is saying something all are still pissed last April when Claude.bypassed Marchand 6 times and lost in the SO to Carolina and ultimately missed the playoffs by a point

Had the Flyers won in the 4th shot Claude would have done it again

Whereas a certain poster from the sub capital of the world wants Backes to suck so he can say I told you so. That is how I feel about Nash at 2 and Marchand at 5

I'm on record the Bruins will once again finish 9th by 1 point due to the Curse of the Marchand Snub

Amazing Claude coaches team Canada and watches Marchand bury legit in game penalty shots and passes on him

Mods can we set up a sticky for posters to apologize to Sarge? I'm expecting after a nights sleep we may see a rash of enlightenment

9rh place folks 1 point bank. Lock

Thanks Dan....I'm married with two teenagers in the house, so I'm very comfortable speaking to others from the perspective that no matter what I say, I'll be wrong. So I don't take any of this to heart.

:laugh:

As for the Nash/Marchand issue...I admit that I didn't know Nash's numbers until after the game last night, however, it doesn't change my opinion.

To me being good at the shootout isn't a "skill". Because a skill is something that can be repeated over and over again, the same way. Nobody (except maybe Bergeron :laugh:) does the same thing, every shootout attempt.

Every shootout attempt, IMO is akin to a roll of the dice. Just because double sixes came up on the first roll, doesn't mean it's any more or less likely to come up on the second, third or 45th. Every roll of the dice, has the same odds for any number to come up.

What Nash has done, while impressive statistically, to me is an anomaly and highly unlikely to be sustained.

This is why, unless we are talking a much larger sample size, I don't necessarily care about the statistics. Maybe confidence plays a larger part in this than skill, but I'd still go with my most skillful players first, provided they aren't in some sort of mental funk, that we as fans would not know about.

I'd always go with my most talented offensive players first. If there were a shootout again tomorrow, I'd still go with Marchand, Pasta, Spooner, Krejci, Bergeron, Krug over Nash

Specific to last night, I just saw a guy (Marchand) who was skating hard, working hard, feisty, involved and productive......and it struck me as criminal that he wasn't included in the first 3 shooters.

Maybe I overreacted, but my opinion hasn't changed. Skill over stats.
 

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for the life of me I'm still at a complete loss as to how Jimmy Hayes has not watched a game from the press box. I hate to beat a dead horse but he brings next to nothing to the team.
If you are a prospect in Providence at what point do you start looking at the production of Hayes and wonder why your not at least getting a chance?
 

Pia8988

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Thanks Dan....I'm married with two teenagers in the house, so I'm very comfortable speaking to others from the perspective that no matter what I say, I'll be wrong. So I don't take any of this to heart.

:laugh:

As for the Nash/Marchand issue...I admit that I didn't know Nash's numbers until after the game last night, however, it doesn't change my opinion.

To me being good at the shootout isn't a "skill". Because a skill is something that can be repeated over and over again, the same way. Nobody (except maybe Bergeron :laugh:) does the same thing, every shootout attempt.

Every shootout attempt, IMO is akin to a roll of the dice. Just because double sixes came up on the first roll, doesn't mean it's any more or less likely to come up on the second, third or 45th. Every roll of the dice, has the same odds for any number to come up.

What Nash has done, while impressive statistically, to me is an anomaly and highly unlikely to be sustained.

This is why, unless we are talking a much larger sample size, I don't necessarily care about the statistics. Maybe confidence plays a larger part in this than skill, but I'd still go with my most skillful players first, provided they aren't in some sort of mental funk, that we as fans would not know about.

I'd always go with my most talented offensive players first. If there were a shootout again tomorrow, I'd still go with Marchand, Pasta, Spooner, Krejci, Bergeron, Krug over Nash

Specific to last night, I just saw a guy (Marchand) who was skating hard, working hard, feisty, involved and productive......and it struck me as criminal that he wasn't included in the first 3 shooters.

Maybe I overreacted, but my opinion hasn't changed. Skill over stats.

And that's fine to say Marchand should be in the top 3 based on how he was playing and overall talent, but it should have been at the expense of Bergeron, not Nash.

I'm not sure why the hate so hard on Nash being in the shoot out. He even picked a good spot and came close to scoring, Mason just barely got a piece of it. He certainly much closer to scoring than Krejci, Bergeron, or Krug who are more 'skilled'

https://streamable.com/e/vlt5?id=vlt5&width&height&autoplay&muted

That is his Tampa goal again. Seems like he has good moves in the shoot out. Guy is a 4th liner and should be going 8th/9th at best.

And your saying skill over stats. Is it so outlandish that Nash be skilled in shoot outs, and a 3rd/4th liner the other 60 minutes of hockey?
 
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