Post-Game Talk: GAME #23 - Flyers beat B's in a 9 round shootout - Philadelphia 3 BRUINS 2 F/SO

[BMC]

Of course not, Brad is a star and Nash is a 4th line scrub.

You took the words right out of my post

 

[BruinsBtn]

The Bruins should have sold high on Spooner. He's not good enough, at least not in this system. His turnovers on the powerplay yesterday were just awful. I've yet to see him 'bring it' in a game since the preseason.

 

[sarge88]

And that's fine to say Marchand should be in the top 3 based on how he was playing and overall talent, but it should have been at the expense of Bergeron, not Nash.

I'm not sure why the hate so hard on Nash being in the shoot out. He even picked a good spot and came close to scoring, Mason just barely got a piece of it. He certainly much closer to scoring than Krejci, Bergeron, or Krug who are more 'skilled'

https://streamable.com/e/vlt5?id=vlt5&width&height&autoplay&muted

That is his Tampa goal again. Seems like he has good moves in the shoot out. Guy is a 4th liner and should be going 8th/9th at best.

And your saying skill over stats. Is it so outlandish that Nash be skilled in shoot outs, and a 3rd/4th liner the other 60 minutes of hockey?

I think this is where I (respectfully) disagree with a lot of people here. I understand why people think that, I just don't think that being good at the shootout is a "skill".

Most players have several different moves/shots.....I don't think that Nash has some special ability to be successful in the shootout. I honestly think that he's an NHL player - so he obviously has some talent - but, for some reason he has gotten a bit more fortunate than some other players, for whatever reason.

Given that, I don't think it can be sustained and am comfortable in saying that at the end of his career, I think he'll likely finish in the 20 - 25% success range.

I just think that the other guys I've mentioned, have a better chance to score a shootout goal on any given attempt.

 

[Pia8988]

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I think this is where I (respectfully) disagree with a lot of people here. I understand why people think that, I just don't think that being good at the shootout is a "skill".

Most players have several different moves/shots.....I don't think that Nash has some special ability to be successful in the shootout. I honestly think that he's an NHL player - so he obviously has some talent - but, for some reason he has gotten a bit more fortunate than some other players, for whatever reason.

Given that, I don't think it can be sustained and am comfortable in saying that at the end of his career, I think he'll likely finish in the 20 - 25% success range.

I just think that the other guys I've mentioned, have a better chance to score a shootout goal on any given attempt.

Will Nash even get enough attempts to go that far down? He's Currently 6/12 meaning he has go to 0/12 just to get to 25%. I would take the bet he stays above it in the end

 

[BNHL]

[/B]

I think this is where I (respectfully) disagree with a lot of people here. I understand why people think that, I just don't think that being good at the shootout is a "skill".

Most players have several different moves/shots.....I don't think that Nash has some special ability to be successful in the shootout. I honestly think that he's an NHL player - so he obviously has some talent - but, for some reason he has gotten a bit more fortunate than some other players, for whatever reason.

Given that, I don't think it can be sustained and am comfortable in saying that at the end of his career, I think he'll likely finish in the 20 - 25% success range.

I just think that the other guys I've mentioned, have a better chance to score a shootout goal on any given attempt.

After Oshie did what he did a few years ago,I realized I have no idea what lurks in those locker rooms.

 

[bob27]

Steven Stamkos sucks at shootouts, while Frans Nielsen is outstanding at them. Overall goalscoring ability doesn't have much to do with shootout prowess. It's really not far fetched to think that Nash could be a bit of a shootout specialist. Maybe he has been lucky, but so far in his career his numbers show that he is quite capable at it. Bruins are exceptionally bad at shootouts and have been for years. Doesn't matter who the coach is, if the players can't execute.

 

[Pia8988]

Steven Stamkos sucks at shootouts, while Frans Nielsen is outstanding at them. Overall goalscoring ability doesn't have much to do with shootout prowess. It's really not far fetched to think that Nash could be a bit of a shootout specialist. Bruins are exceptionally bad at shootouts and have been for years. Doesn't matter who the coach is, if the players can't execute.

Ovechkin is 20/65 and went 2/17 in 2013. One of the best goal scorers of all time.

 

[Greek_physique]

Overall, the team played well.

We really need to acquire a LH dman...I dont wanna watch K.Miller play with Carlo...that's a mess just waiting to happen.

Really impressed with Chiller. He does things so smoothly when he has the puck and is a must as our 2nd line QB for the PP. I wish he'd shoot more.

I liked the overtime lines as well.

I still think we need to have new lines for 5 on 5

Marchand Bergeron ??
Spooner Backes ??
?? Krejci Pasta

Makes things so much easier....

 

[Therick67]

This team sucks at the shootout, they should pick names out of a hat.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

Matt Friggin Hendricks is a 42.3% career shootout specialist. It's not outrageous to use a guy who has a knack for it regardless of where in the lineup he usually slots.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Ovechkin is 20/65 and went 2/17 in 2013. One of the best goal scorers of all time.

Thanks for posting this.

I was too lazy to look it up. But I know I've seen games where Ovie doesn't get in the top 3 shooters. (May actually be THE best goal scorer of all time).

 

[Greek_physique]

It happens all the time...just look at the Olympics.

Bourque over Gretzky lol

 

[BruinDust]

Overall, the team played well.

We really need to acquire a LH dman...I dont wanna watch K.Miller play with Carlo...that's a mess just waiting to happen.

Really impressed with Chiller. He does things so smoothly when he has the puck and is a must as our 2nd line QB for the PP. I wish he'd shoot more.

I liked the overtime lines as well.

I still think we need to have new lines for 5 on 5

Marchand Bergeron ??
Spooner Backes ??
?? Krejci Pasta

Makes things so much easier....

Colin is the best skater on this team among D, his foot-work is silky smooth.

Carlo is a close 2nd.

Looks like Liles will be out for awhile.

It will be interesting to see what they do once Chara comes back. Do they keep Kevan on the left side, or does Colin get a more permanent stay upstairs with Morrow being in the line-up as a natural left-shooting D.

I'd send McQuaid to the pressbox out of all of them, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Krejci has an incredible ability to look like he's out for a Sunday morning skate 99% of the time he is on the ice.

In shootouts, it's especially bad. God forbid he tries coming in with some speed and from an angle.

The comment is made by Jack often on Krejci's unique ability to slow the play down and be creative. Although certainly true, there are times in a game or on a particular play when you really need be picking up the pace. Shootouts may be one example cited here but think about his aversion to crossing a blue line unless he slows it down in the attempt to create. The move all too often results in yet another offside, an off side challenge on a goal or simply leading to another broken play and or turnover. As good a skill set he has for that creative part of his game it does get completely frustrating when you see it hurt them in games over and over and over.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Too many night this year, the Bruins PP looks too much like a Harlem Globetrotters routine to me. Tonight, that last PP was just ridiculous.

Listened to McLelland's post game comments on TV from Edmonton's game last night. The PP was apparently abysmal in the game. The comments he made seems to describe the Bruins's woes to a tee.

 

[Braunbaer]

Ovechkin is 20/65 and went 2/17 in 2013. One of the best goal scorers of all time.

Maybe that's because the quality with which Ovi scores his goals isn't asked in the shootout.

 

[ap3lovr]

The advanced stats point to Boston being the best team in the East 5v5. Yet the team just can't put the puck in the net. The bottom 6 has to be better, and the guys we are paying big money to need to step it up. We aren't paying Bergeron to be on pace for 25 points, we aren't paying Backes to be on pace for 42 points, we aren't paying Belesky to be on pace for 18 points.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Maybe that's because the quality with which Ovi scores his goals isn't asked in the shootout.

You mean you've never seen Ovie play?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Anyone know Marchand's shootout record?

 

[Pia8988]

anyone know marchand's shootout record?

6/25

 

[bob27]

The advanced stats point to Boston being the best team in the East 5v5. Yet the team just can't put the puck in the net. The bottom 6 has to be better, and the guys we are paying big money to need to step it up. We aren't paying Bergeron to be on pace for 25 points, we aren't paying Backes to be on pace for 42 points, we aren't paying Belesky to be on pace for 18 points.

This gives cause for optimism, but it wouldn't be the first time that a team with outstanding shot differentials misses the playoffs. Having Chara back swiftly is critical. If the offence wakes up, there could be some hidden potential in this team. Unfortunately that's just an if at this point in time.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Headline: Philly Dirtbags beat Best One-Line team in hockey with help of Awful Officiating.

By line: Hayes still sucks bad.

Screwed by Rogers last night when they for some reason did not carry the scheduled game which was advertised as the Bruins. Got the rangers and canes instead. The host Ken Read was still saying in their main late evening highlight/update following the Rangers game that fans could tune into the game live on the Ontario designated channel. First game I have missed this year.

Read lots of comments last night on what was deemed highly questionable work by one referee in particular. Anybody have video footage or memes of Chris Lee's performance, or perhaps more accurately lack there of? Did Claude unload in his post game comments about the situation? Thanks.

 

[trenton1]

I hope the content of my posts doesn't give the illusion that I don't like people.

I'm honestly smiling as I post.

This stuff isn't important enough to get angry over.

All in good fun!

I hear ya. And I was just attempting some levity, Al.

I actually hate the shootout so much I'm not sure I can even dive deep into a discussion about what happens within it.

 

[JAD]

The advanced stats point to Boston being the best team in the East 5v5. Yet the team just can't put the puck in the net. The bottom 6 has to be better, and the guys we are paying big money to need to step it up. We aren't paying Bergeron to be on pace for 25 points, we aren't paying Backes to be on pace for 42 points, we aren't paying Belesky to be on pace for 18 points.

No they are being paid to win hockey games not pad personal point totals. It's all about the team winning games.
Sorry, just channeling my inner Claude. Lol

 

[sarge88]

Thanks for posting this.

I was too lazy to look it up. But I know I've seen games where Ovie doesn't get in the top 3 shooters. (May actually be THE best goal scorer of all time).

Regarding Ovechkin....20/65 is still about 30%, which, IMO is a good number for that amount of chances.

If Nash got to 65 attempts, I can't imagine he'd be able to maintain his rate.

So, what I'm saying, I guess is that, I'd be much more confident that Ovi could maintain his 30% rate, than Nash would continue at his 50%.